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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:26 AM
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Where is Kerry rapid response - yesterday was all Bush all the time
A dozen broadcasts yesterday of "been in Washington long enough to take both sides on just about every issue", "Washington insider who wants to raise your taxes and hasn't offered strategies to keep you safer", "flip-flopping and not supporting the invasion to remove Saddam Hussein", and "President Bush's steady leadership in times of change, as we look at the reality of 911 (what does that mean?), and how it forever changed our nation's public policy - we must look at how the two candidates will approach the war against terror (is it a war or a police action that is being allowed to destroy our civil liberties)"

And of course the story line that Kerry lacks "message clarity" and Bush's directness is being developed quickly, as is the storyline Bush positive - country is getting back on its feet under the leadership of Mr. Bush after he inherited the problems - a rewrite of history that the media does not seem to want to correct.

Granted I wanted a Clinton Team rapid response - but some response would have been nice - or is Kerry making a response, and not just getting airtime?

Then there were the commentators that wondered if Kerry would let the Jewish vote stew for a few months - and possibly lose a part of it - before he says the required by US Politics statement that "He has no fundamental disagreement with Bush on Israel, that there can be no peace without a Palestinian partner who wants peace."

Having Donna saying the response "The Bush campaign will do anything to rewrite the reality that they've lost jobs, that they have not been good at keeping their campaign promises to grow the economy. It's a sign of desperation that this president is already using images of September 11." is not enough - Kerry has to say it!

Kerry has to fight the Bush "I am one of you and we must remember all we've been through together in the last three years - remember my great leadership and strength after 911", and point out the Bush non-denial that after 3 years the US is less well off than when he took office, and inherited tough times and 911 are untrue, and that the America 'safer, stronger' than last year is a just a way of saying it could be worse - but if he's so good at protecting us, why aren't we safe!

Besides where are the Bush proposals for a second Bush term - there is no plan under Bush to do better. Bush is trying to change the words used to “empathetic to the jobless and forceful on the economy” from the truth of Bush being indifferent and ineffective -so

Where the hell is the Kerry rapid response speech!


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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:28 AM
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1. The "whites of their eyes" - give it a little time
smarter is better.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:28 AM
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2. yes
and i watched it with gore, and already thinking the same with kerry. dont want to watch it again
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:29 AM
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3. Kerry should ask Edwards if he can use his Neighborhood TIPS program

Unlike the one proposed by bush, which depended on mail carriers and TV repairmen, Edwards' plan is neighbor-driven - empowering neighbors to police each other for suspected potential terror.
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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:38 AM
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6. The FACTS on Edwards & The Patriot Act
Not certain why you're still getting off on criticizng John Edwards. But I'll submit this to you, from Rich Persaud's excellent dotpeople website:

Edwards sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was his job to participate in the writing of the Patriot Act. It is not meaningful to criticize Edwards for either his vote or the fact of his participation in the act. Such criticisms can only be directed against those outside of a committee directly related to the Patriot Act.

What can be judged are Edwards' specific contributions to the Patriot Act, such as particular clauses he worked to add or remove from the Act. If someone has those details, I would like to learn more about them. But, the existence of Patriot Act II suggests that Democratic participants in the drafting of Patriot Act I succeeded at least partially in limiting its scope.

Edwards supports revision of the Patriot Act and the removal of domestic intelligence duties from the FBI. Edwards will create a new agency for domestic intelligence, along with a new oversight agency, the Office of Civil Liberties. The goal is to have domestic intelligence agents who are trained to assault terror and not the Constitution of the United States.


Update (1/21/04)


The Senate debate excerpt below includes Edwards advocating for a sunset provision. There was a subsequent House-Senate discussion of the Act, for which I could find no transcript. The final version of the Act did include a sunset provision. Pointers to a transcript of that debate would be appreciated.

From the Senate Floor Debate, 10/11/01 :

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Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. President, I rise in support of S. 1510, the Uniting and Strengthening America Act.
In the aftermath of September 11, we face two difficult and delicate tasks: to strengthen our security in order to prevent future terrorist attacks, and at the same time, to safeguard the individual liberties that make America a beacon of freedom to all the world.
I believe that when the President signs this anti-terrorism legislation into law, we will have achieved those two goals as best we now can.
The act is a far-reaching bill. I will mention just a few key aspects of that bill.
First, the legislation brings our surveillance laws into the 21st century. Here are two of many examples. Under current law, the FBI can use a basic search warrant to access answering machine messages, but the FBI needs a different kind of warrant to get to voice mail. This law says the FBI can use a traditional warrant for both. Another
example: Under current law, a Federal court can authorize many electronic surveillance warrants only within the court's limited jurisdiction. If the target of the investigation is in the judge's jurisdiction, but the subject of the warrant is technically an internet service provider located elsewhere, the warrant is no good as to that ISP. This bill allows the court overseeing an investigation to issue valid warrants nationwide.
Second, the act gives law enforcement officers and the foreign intelligence community the ability to share intelligence information with each other in defined contexts. For example, the act says that under specified conditions, the FBI may share wiretap and grand jury information related to foreign- and counter-intelligence. I appreciate concerns that this information-sharing authority could be abused. Like Chairman Leahy, I would have preferred to see greater judicial oversight of these data exchanges. But I also believe we simply cannot prevail in the battle against terrorism if the right hand of our government has no idea what the left hand is doing.
Third, the act enhances intelligence authorities under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). When I met with FBI agents in North Carolina shortly after September 11, they told me their number one priority was to streamline the FISA process. We've done that. We've said, for example, that the renewal periods of certain key FISA orders may be longer than the initial periods. This makes sure the FBI can focus on investigations, not duplicative court applications.
A more controversial change concerns the purpose of FISA surveillance. Under current law, a FISA wiretap order may only enter if the primary purpose of the surveillance is foreign intelligence gathering. The administration initially proposed changing the ``primary purpose'' requirement to a requirement of ``a purpose,'' any foreign
intelligence purpose. At a recent Intelligence Committee hearing, I was one of several Senators to raise constitutional questions about the Administration's initial proposal. The last thing we want is to see FISA investigations lost, and convictions overturned, because the
surveillance is not constitutional. S. 1510 says that FISA surveillance requires not just ``a purpose,'' but ``a significant purpose,'' of foreign intelligence gathering. That new language is a substantial improvement that I support. In applying this ``significant purpose''
requirement, the FISA court will still need to be careful to enter FISA orders only when the requirements of the Constitution as well as the statute are satisfied. As the Department of Justice has stated in its letter regarding the proposed FISA change, the FISA court has ``an
obligation,'' whatever the statutory standard, ``to reject FISA applications that do not truly qualify'' as constitutional. I anticipate continued close congressional oversight and inquiry in this area.
A forth step taken by this legislation is to triple the number of Border Patrol, INS inspectors, and Customs Service agents along our 4,000-mile northern border. Today there are just 300 border patrol agents to guard those 4,000 miles. Orange cones are too often our only defenses against illegal entries. This bill will change that.
Fifth, the bill expedites the hiring of translators by the FBI. It is unthinkable that our law enforcement agents could have critical raw intelligence that they simply cannot understand because they do not know the relevant language. This statute will help to change that state
of affairs.
Finally, the bill makes the criminal law tougher on terrorists. We make it a crime to possess a biological agent or toxin in an amount with no reasonable, peaceful purpose, a crime to harbor a terrorist, a crime to provide material support to terrorism. And we say that when you commit a crime of terrorism, you can be prosecuted for that crime for the rest of your life, with no limitations period. Statutes of limitations guarantee what lawyers call ``repose.'' Terrorists deserve no repose.
As Chairman Leahy and Senator Hatch have both said, this legislation is not perfect, and the House-Senate Conference may yet make improvements. For example, the Conference might clarify that, as to aliens detained as national security threats, the law will secure the due process protections and judicial review required by the Constitution and by the Supreme Court's recent decisions in Zadvydas v. Davis and INS v. St. Cyr. The Conference might also sensibly include a

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sunset of the new surveillance authorities, ensuring that Congress will reconsider this bill's provisions, which touch such cherished liberties, in light of further experience and reflection.
The bill is not perfect, but it is a good bill, it is important for the Nation, and I am pleased to support it.

* * *

An article on Edwards and The Patriot Act:

Edwards: AG abuses power of Patriot Act
By Dan Tuohy
Staff Writer

MERRIMACK -- Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards last night proposed repealing parts of the USA Patriot Act in order to insulate civil liberties against the measure's broad anti-terrorism measures.

He accused Attorney General John Ashcroft, who visited New Castle yesterday to promote the Patriot Act, of abusing the discretion required to make the new law work within the framework of the Bill of Rights.

Ashcroft's New Hampshire stop was part of a national tour to highlight the need for the law. He defended the law after meeting with police chiefs. It enables national security forces to fight the war on terrorism without compromising liberties, he said.

Edwards, who voted for the act, questioned the government's abilities to view personal library and business records.

"We can't forget what it is we're supposed to be fighting for," he said during a town-hall style meeting. "We cannot let people like John Ashcroft take away our rights, take away our liberty, take away our freedom."

The Edwards reform plan includes:

r Establish new protections for library and business records, limit the government's authority to search homes without giving people notice and require the Department of Justice to disclose more information about its use of special surveillance powers.

r Strengthen due process rights for people arrested on American soil as an "enemy combatant" without access to a lawyer or a day in court. He says appropriate limits on choice of lawyers and judicial forum could be imposed.

r Creation of a new Homeland Intelligence Agency. He says the Federal Bureau of Investigation is a law enforcement agency, not an agency able to track and stop terrorists. The agency would focus entirely on intelligence gathering and analysis, have an independent Office of Civil Liberties, and be subject to new judicial review and public disclosure requirements.

Edwards, an attorney and first-term U.S. senator from North Carolina, proposed the reform a day after announcing he would not seek re-election to his Senate seat in order to focus on running for president.

Members of the crowd of about 100 at Edwards' campaign stop in Merrimack supported his call for reform.

Karen Heaton of Manchester said people cannot take constitutional liberties for granted. "There is no need Americans should have to sacrifice any liberties," she said.

Evan Fulmer, who works for a chemical company, called Ashcroft a fascist. Rose Arthur, a college administrator from Merrimack, criticized the Patriot Act and Bush for asking Congress on Sunday to approve his $87 billion request for Iraq war and reconstruction efforts. She wants Congress to block the funding request.

"How are we going to get the money for a specious war?" she asked.

Edwards said he would review the appropriation and the need, but he sees Bush's request as highlighting the need to build an international coalition to stabilize Iraq.

Claire Ebel, director of the New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union, continues to challenge the constitutional merit of the law. She said the Patriot Act allows the government to spy on Americans without cause or reason.

"The Constitution protects our rights and sets up a system of checks and balances," Edwards said in statement condemning the Patriot Act. "John Ashcroft has trampled on our rights and claimed unprecedented power. We need to rein in this Attorney General."

Warren Rudman, the former U.S. senator from New Hampshire and terrorism expert and author of the Hart-Rudman report on vulnerability, believes America will be the target for another terrorism strike in the near future. In an interview with New Hampshire Public Radio last night, Rudman criticized the extensive "sneak and peek" powers granted by the Patriot Act and called for some reform.

The major Democratic candidates running for president routinely question and criticize the Patriot Act for its unchecked powers.

U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who also voted for the Patriot Act, said police and intelligence officials must have the tools to protect America against terrorism. He also wants to review how the law is working in order to strike the right balance.

"I made clear at the time that I didn't think the law should be used to compromise our nation's ironclad commitment to civil liberties, and I supported the Democratic leadership's successful effort to include a sunset provision to keep tabs on how the administration used their new authority," Lieberman said.

Congressman Dick Gephardt of Missouri promised reform.

"This visit is more about a photo op than a legitimate discussion of the increasing authority of the attorney general," he said in a statement. "John Ashcroft has proven through bad judgment and divisiveness that he is the wrong man to serve in one of the most important jobs in our nation right now. He will not last five minutes in my administration."


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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:57 AM
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9. Not sure what you mean by criticism, his TIPS thing is on his website

It's been discussed on here before.

The question had to do with how Kerry could answer bush's charges that Kerry doesn't have a plan to keep Americans safe at home.
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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:36 PM
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12. Sorry...
...I'm so used to seeing Edwards attacked here at DU.

Democratic Underground... where we are all Kerry supporters and the world is a happy place! "They may take our candidates... but they'll never take... our freedom!"
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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:32 AM
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4. He'd Better Speak Up
Thus begins Kerry's first experience with the media's fondness for Bush. It is time for him to put up or shut up. If he is the man who can beat Our President (tm) w. he needs to show something and show it quick. Saw a post title above "the whites of their eyes." Screw the whites of their eyes if you can make out their face FIRE*!





* not intended to mean a real weapon of any sort- speaking figuratively, Mr. Asbcroft.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:35 AM
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5. I think the Repugs did enough damage to themselves all by themselves
yesterday. Kerry was wise to stay out of it. Let Karen Hughes keep defending the 9/11 ads for a couple days, as the outrage about them spreads and becomes louder.

The chimp just shot himself in the foot again, using his (ok, our) own money. Love it!

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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:39 AM
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7. I think you are soooo correct.
Team chimp put themselves on the defensive all by themselves. The fire fighters and the families of 9-11 have very effective voices and they are doing a fine job of bashing the chimp for his political ads.

I think everytime Hughes speaks, she does more damage. She gives me the willy's and I am probably not alone in that feeling. When she disagrees with a widow of 9-11, she is not doing the chimp any favors!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:46 AM
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8. Kerry did have a press release that was posted at DU yesterday...
It took almost an entire "stump speech" on various issues to get to the point about exploitation, firefighters, and "bring it on."

The kernel was there. But, as I mentioned, without a proper sound bite which is not spinnable, and a way to get the press to comment, no statement, no matter how good, will get decent airplay.

Kerry himself has to get out in front of the cameras and make short, direct, sound bite statements that get in the faces of this bunch.
Short of that, the only other way is to buy air time.

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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:02 PM
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10. Yup.
Because Bush can't speak in sentences long enough to amount to anything but a sound bite. The media has been in love with Bush since 2000. We must strive to change that!

I thought Kerry had support from Big Media also...
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:55 PM
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Yes
We need to get him, Terry McAuliffe and other leading Democrats out there on the air EVERY night. And, I mean every night.

Not necessarily Kerry every night, but at least a high ranking spokesperson... and, we also need other Democrats on the news - all those pols in Michigan seem to be good (and, I'm in CT!)


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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:58 PM
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14. I agree - DU FOLKS - CALL KERRY 202-548-6800
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 12:58 PM by papau
Kerry - call DU

DU call Kerry (202-548-6800)
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:11 PM
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11. They only let Kerry speak when they want him to...don't expect to
hear much from him during the coming months leading up to the election, unless it's negative.

See, I have this theory. They backed Kerry, even promoted him over his opponents, because they know they can, and will, drag him down based on his history in Washington. (They couldn't do that with Dean, and not much with Clark.) We heard the first of this yesterday when Bush said Kerry's taken sides on every position known to man--or something like that. They will paint him as a waffler, and there will be some bombshell October surprise to throw everybody off.

Now that Bush has begun to speak, they will not provide equal time to Kerry. He has been given time only to suit their purposes. Kerry will be marginalized by Bush's media unless he lets out some sort of Dean-like yelp, or provides them with something negative to loop over the airwaves.

Only Kerry's money and ads will be effective in fighting back.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:55 PM
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13. Kerry does not need to repond DIRECTLY!

Kerry should portray himself as PRESIDENTIAL material.

No need to get involved in team BushCo self inflicted wounds. Kerry only needs to make sure that HE frames the ISSUES and avoids battles he is at a disadvantage in wageing.

IMAGE IS KING.

Bush just made a major blunder, a gift to Kerry, dont expect to many of those in the future.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:33 PM
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22. "Kerry should portray himself as PRESIDENTIAL material"
sounds like what Al Gore tried to do. I can't take this crap. Be presidential once you're in office.

But for now, Kerry has to be THE FIGHTER he promised. Position papers and mountains of words won't cut it. Bush and the people who support him don't read and have very short attention spans.

Harken back to Clinton's Rapid Response Teams ... they are needed now more than ever. You can't sit back and wait. Every volley from the GOP needs to met with fire and then rather than react, Kerry and the Dems need to be firing the FIRST shots.

This is why a longer primary season with a chorus of voices against Bush was the better way to go. Instead, two months and it's all over, so now we have 8 friggin months of Bush and his media enablers v Kerry rather than the Dems v Bush until the end of May.

Gosh, I am getting that same sickening, sinking feeling I had about 2000.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:59 PM
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15. the only thing I heard out of Kerry yesterday was defensive
Heard him on NPR saying something like "I may not have the money Bush has, but believe me, I am a fighter!"

Great. Just great. :eyes:

did not inspire confidence in the part of this Dem.

If Kerry goes defensive, we might as well move to Canada right now.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:03 PM
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16. Bush took super Tuesday and all the Kerry photo ops
away from Kerry with the timely release of his campaign ads.

I hope he does develop a little more aggressive strategy. Perhaps he is resting--but cannot do that with Bush--they have it all planned out ahead of time--ergo we see fat faced, bloated Bush and Laura ,who has blossomed, suddenly into the political sophisticate-- the suburban, contemporary woman with a political bent, appearing next to him, albeit still behind him, with a quite ugly, distorted, downturned, disapproving looking bright red lipsticked mouth on the screen instead of Kerry celebrating his win.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:13 PM
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17. So, we don't know what the Kerry camp sent to the media
And what the media rejected in favor of Bushshit. You act like the Bush camp did somethimg masterful because you didn't hear Kerry's response anywhere on the hack shows you watched. Most of the attention will fall away from the primary to actual events. Sniping back and forth might sound petty in the face of events in crisis like in Haiti and Iraq. Also, the Congress is back and hitting hard. The campaign is in a period of transition where leaving the stage to Bush may be the best strategy as he fumbles his responsibilities. There are many ways to affect the polls. Too much visibility while Bush fumbles could deflect critisism and responsibility to Kerry that Bush rightly deserves to shoulder alone.
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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 07:44 PM
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23. This Forum Has Been DUitized For Your Protection
Return to talking citizens. But only say what we want you to say. Think like us or else.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:25 PM
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19. Who did you think Kerry is? This characterization is accurate.
I wish it wasn't so. That's why I'm baffled by the Democrats lack of vision in supporting this guy.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:29 PM
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20. He needs to come out like this:
- After 30 years of compromising to get to this point, I'm through.

- I've said what I had to say and have done what I had to do to work the system, and I'm through.

- I've waited my whole life for this.

- As President, my only focus will be to serve the people of this country and the world.

Anything short of that and he has zero credibility with me. He needs to explain why is future behavior will be any different from his past.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:33 PM
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21. I think you should run for election
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:17 AM
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24. Kerry must not have gotten the memo..
You know... the memo that says:

"Now that you are the nomineee, you are no longer interesting to us. We will continue to bash and berate you for everything from "Did he have botox injections or not" to "He threw his medals over the White House fence", but YOUR presence is no longer needed on air"..

Kerry was a big story, and in demand, as long as there was still a possibility that he might not be the nominee...now that he IS, they are on to the next story..

The coverage that he will garner from now on will most likely be to "counter and reply to" the accusations that Bush sends his way.. They will probably "critique" his ads, his clothing, his hair, his face, his wife, his voting record, but they need not have him THERE to do those things.. And it's so much more "fun" if he's not there:(

Frank Luntz will do "focus groups" about how "French" he looks, or how ugly his ties are...

Tweety will spritz and slobber over how "liberal" he is compared to that hunka-hunka burnin' love president in jeans ...

Peggy Noonan will scrunch up her face and tell us how ineffective his speeches are and how wonderful it was when she was writing speeches for St. Ronnie of Raygun...

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