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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:20 AM
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Is Dubya in a freefall ??
It seems as if every poll I've read for the last week, he is slipping.....even in Texas. Kerry is even polling ahead of him in Florida. Perhaps it means nothing at this stage of the contest, but it must concern Dubya very much? He has personally attacked Kerry in the last two days, hoping to change the writing on the wall. The voters are getting ready to "bitch-slap" him all the way back to Crawford...and he's becoming preoccupied with running his own campaign. Much like a person that is his own lawyer....
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:22 AM
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1. Yes!
They are completely flatfooted.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:22 AM
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2. Bush has a $150 million safety net to catch him, so donate to Kerry
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AngryYoungMan Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:24 AM
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3. The "running his own campaign" schtick is suspicious to me.
I'm not sure why they've put that out there or why the New York Times took the bait and said it. I personally don't believe it for one second; the man hasn't run anything since he drove Arbusto into the ground. I wonder why they're saying it, though...almost worth starting a thread about.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:27 AM
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5. I think that is one thing he is fairly good at....
He learned a lot from Lee Atwater and he has a natural Machiavellian streak in him. He will do anything to win....anything. He is a dangerous person when he is behind.
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AngryYoungMan Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:33 AM
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7. Oh, come on...
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 12:34 AM by AngryYoungMan
He's "good" at it? Are we talking about the same person?

The only thing he's good at is glad-handing people at fundraising events and sticking to a script when interviewed. That's why he was chosen.

This isn't one of those "he's so stupid" smear posts. I'm being very realistic. He's good face to face, and he follows ideologies that are laid out for him. That's his strength; even his staunchest and closest supporters would put it this way.

He's not "good at" running a campaign or anything else, and he hasn't run anything since before 2000.

Rove is more important in Bush's career than Atwater.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:41 AM
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11. he is a dangerous person
when he is behind. i agree. was thinking today, wonder what he is going to do,. wounded rabid animal is what i am seeing. totally destructive possibilities
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:43 AM
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15. Wounded and dangerous
But that kind of desperation leads to mistakes, too.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:35 AM
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9. That's easy
to counter O'Neil and show bush is 'engaged'...Personally, I don't believe a word of it.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:26 AM
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4. I am leary...
election nite 2000 comes to mind..who won? Gore was ahead in all the polls also...Do I trust the media--hell no..* has long-term plans, and I do NOT and will never trust him because they're slick liars, all of them! They'll raise you up and kick you down--part of the plan.
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AngryYoungMan Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:33 AM
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8. Gore was far behind in March 2000. And the dems weren't coalesced.
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 12:34 AM by AngryYoungMan
eom
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:47 AM
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13. they arent slick liars
i think he is a horrible liar. before i knew he was a liar i was seeing his lying. i have a brother that lies like this and i always sit in wonder how they get away with it. everyone knows he is lying. adn no one calls him on it. learned to call brother on it out loud with each and everyone. another thing about this type of liar, you call them liar, and they say it again, liar and they say it again. they never own it. they just keep on like they say it will make it true. which takes me to another place with this liar, they believe their lies. their lies become truths to them,. it is just amazing

my brother is an alcoholic too. i am wondering, is it the character prone to alcohol, or is it the alcohol that cause. i think it is the personality it is a lifetime

which takes me to the going out with gun and shooting toads in midland when he was young and having a gay ole time

and the rubbing the bald head

geez i have been reading too much on this board, lol
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:49 AM
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16. Bad liars
You wrote:

i think he is a horrible liar. before i knew he was a liar i
was seeing his lying. 

Me:

Oh, me too!  Me, too!  I have watched in stunned disbelief for
years wondering how he gets away with it.

Anybody who has kids should be able to see right through him!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:31 AM
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6. In a nutshell:
They will cheat like hell with BBV in November. What the Chimp does until then is immaterial
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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:36 AM
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10. Not so much freefall, as being smacked backwards, point by point.
Nothing they have tried has worked. The Great Rove Machine has been on for weeks now...and nothing. They don't have much, and what they do have, isn't working.

Now, they are picking on Kerry's wife! That won't work either...just makes Bush look like even less of a man. Bush has even been hiding behind Laura, in his own adds! They have nothing. Absolutely nothing. Maybe a few dirty tricks. We'll see.

And, as jobs continue going overseas, the bodycount rises in Iraq and gasoline goes through the roof, it will get worse. They are screwed, IMHO.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:47 AM
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14. "Push 'em back, push 'em back, harder, harder!"
A little Deja Vu for the Cheer-leader in Chief!
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:46 AM
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12. Remember Dean's numbers and how they changed.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 04:26 AM
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17. sort of
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 04:28 AM by Lexingtonian
He has a 'floor' of 40%-42% of voters who will vote against liberals/Democrats/sanity/ Modernity/whatever, for whom it doesn't really depend on Bush that much.

But he can fall so far that he has to do an awful lot to get the goodwill of even those people, let alone start picking up other voters, again.

Personally, I am more interested in Kerry breaking 50% and proving a mandate, proving that the Right has lost the war for domination they've waged since 1987 or 1990 or so. If/when he does the Republican Congress is doomed in 2006 (or, worst case, 2008). And that's when the country does a massive lurch toward better government and closer to, well, civilization.
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