Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop. Do Ya Hear the Beat of How to Defeat George??

[BabsSong]

George opened his attacks on Kerry with the old "flip-flop" tag---exactly the same label he stuck on Gore. Then it dawned on me. Everything about this guys 3 years in office have been "retro"---whether it's people, ideas, methods, etc., they always just regurgetate the past. They have no new ideas. And that gave me a clue of what Kerry's people can do to head this two-bit cowboy off at the pass.

They need to sit down and make a list of all the subject areas used by Bush II to attack first McCain and then Gore; and add a list of things Bush I did to attack Dukakis. I'll guarantee we will see those same subject matter being thrown at Kerry. But, rather than just crafting responses, the idea is to strike Bush on those subjects first which leaves any countercharges weak, ineffective and seemingly just made up. I'll give an example - sorry that it's ugly but the Bush's play the game at the ugly level (always have).

They had "operatives" (that way keep their hands clean)spread rumors in S. Carolina that McCain's black adopted child was really McCain's love child. Therefore, you can go to the bank that we will hear that Kerry has love children in Nam. Kerry 'operatives' need to dust off and re-circulate the info around during 2000 about old girlfriend from young days that Bush knocked up and paid for an abortion (when abortion was illegal). In other words, that takes it to Bush before he can strike. Again, I emphasize that this is what "operatives" do, while candidate stays lilly white--just like the Bush's have always played the game. They need to do this with every point on the list because Bush will definitely go 'retro' in his bag of tricks. It's totally predictable. Expect attacks on wife (Kitty was a drunk; McCain's wife a drug addict), etc. Expect affairs (Clinton). Expect soft on criminals (Willy Horton). Stop them in advance and they run out tricks and bags.

[glarius]

1. Kerry is responding quickly to Bush's lies and attacks

I've noticed how fast Kerry is at answering Bush's charges....That's where Gore sort of fell down on the job...He let Bush get away with defining him....

[livetohike]

3. Yes, hit him hard and run

That's what I like about the Kerry campaign so far. He isn't letting the personal attacks go without a quick response. I believe him when he says he is a fighter. Teresa Heinz Kerry has a lot of fight in her too, in my opinion.

Now who would make a good VP choice for a tag team?

[sendero]

23. Totally....

... I'm hoping he keeps this up.

I think Gore thought he could take the "high road" and not answer some of the more ridiculous charges. That did not work. If someone calls you a murderer and you say nothing, there are some who will believe that you are.

I think everyone knows now that all allegations and complaints must be addressed quickly and forcefully.

[seabeyond]

2. ya, but people are listening to his flip flop

and kerry is going to have to undefine himself, cause he is defined. not working yet kerry's defense

[info being]

26. Right. The problem is that Kerry DOES flip-flop.

It drives me nuts. How does he expect me to support him when he doesn't even support himself?

[TXDemGal]

4. Re: McCain's child...a clarification

The child John McCain and his wife adopted is from India.

[NeonLX]

7. Actually, Bangladesh...right next door to India tho'. nt

*

[TXDemGal]

8. thanks n/t

[NewJeffCT]

15. Yes, but she was dark skinned

But, not as dark as a typical African or African-American... so, it gave people a bit to think about if she looked like she was possibly a mixed race baby.

[kar_the_terrible]

5. Here an interesting anomaly

Hehe!! You guys should have seen this... and I should have actually sasved a copy of the page. I checked out Hannity.com on Sunday and on Monday early morning.

The poll ques was.. who do you think is politicizing 9/11.. obviously with all the crap he's spewing on his show he expected a 'sheeple' answer. The poll has spoken:

140000 votes (Approx):
56% Repubs politicize 9/11
31% Dems
14% both
4% or so = Neither.

So thats a whopping 70% of pollsters who think that GOP politicizes 9/11.. Talk about poetic justice.. karma and all that!!!!!!!

naturally none of this was mentioned on mondays show, although he went on and on about how crybaby we are when we protested bush ads.

[newyawker99]

28. Hi kar_the_terrible!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sinkingfeeling]

6. Does anyone have information, a list, or website where

Dubya's multitude of 'flip-flops' are listed? I can recall a few:
the 'justification' of our invasion of Iraq, his abandonment of his campaign promise to regulate power plant emissions, and his projections of jobs to be created in 2004.

[AndyP]

11. edit

misread your post sorry.

[July]

21. Check out Daily Kos

Yesterday, www.dailykos.com had a list started that was picked up in a discussion thread. Today, he's saying that it's been picked up by other blogs.

[59millionmorons]

27. This is my list

I am glad it is being noticed.

[BabsSong]

9. I want to re-emphasize not just responding fast but attacking on those

areas we know Bush will bring into this campaign. Like I said, we will hear that Kerry has a 'Nam love child---so let operatives start going back into the story of Bush's girlfriend and the abortion. We have to disarm him before he throws the crap out in the first place.

[grannylib]

10. Well talk about the pot calling the kettle black...when it comes to flip

flopping on issues, our naked Chimperor takes the cake...I'd like to see the moron debate himself from 4 years ago...he's done a 180 on just about every issue.

[livetohike]

14. Speaking of a debate

Can you picture GWB and John Kerry side by side in the first debate? Bush will have to stand on a milk crate to look "presidential" next to Kerry. Kerry will blow him away in a debate, since we all know that Bush can't speak proper English and can not "think on his feet".

[NewJeffCT]

16. Don't underestimate Bush!

We need to point out how well he did in the 2000 debates!

(Not really, but W*'s expectations were so f-ing low that as long as he didn't look like Jack Nicholson at the end of "The Shining", he came out ahead, while Gore was chastised for rolling his eyes instead of really going in for the kill...so, the media annointed him the winner)

We need to play up that Bush has that down-home charm about him that makes him come across well in debates.

[grannylib]

18. If you can call it that...never did understand how people could find him

charming...I find him smarmy and transparantly slimy...ish.
But sheeple in this country are stupid...they hear the right buzzwords and they go all soft in the head.

[NewJeffCT]

20. I don't know if I'd say sheeple

Though, sometimes i feel that way. However, I think sometimes people get blinded when they think of * as a religious, god-fearing man and hear him use god in speeches and the like.

[AndyP]

12. here's some sites

on the Kerry flip flops.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2096540/
or
http://www.gop.com/kerryvskerry/

if someone can defend these that'd be great cuz I've been grilled by my independent buddy and I really didn't have anything.

[seabeyond]

13. bush does it too

had conversation with 6 year old last nite. he was in trouble for being disrespectful in school adn went in to talk about another kid being disrespectful. doesnt work i say. we are talking you. i am not a believer in shifting to the other person. i say bush lies, and a repug say so does clinton they all do. i am not talking about all i am talking bush

so i think kerry clearly makes his position on those. if he sees the error of his way, own it, if it is cause that vote on defense was all pork, put it out and show it. and show the responsibility in throwing the bill out

[DinahMoeHum]

17. Bait-and-switch, bait-and-switch, hit Bush with the bait-and-switch

The answer to "flip-flop" is "bait-and-switch". Nobody likes a con artist after a while.



:kick:

[rocktivity]

19. I'd rather have a president who changes his mind

than one who is OUT OF his mind!

:headbang:
rocknation

[rocktivity]

22. I made just such a list a few weeks ago

They need to sit down and make a list of all the subject areas used by Bush II to attack first McCain and then Gore; and add a list of things Bush I did to attack Dukakis.

From http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=369828

THE ROCKNATION(TM) HANDY DANDY INSTANT BUSH REFUTER

If Bush says: Viet Nam war protestor
You say: "AAAAAAAWOLLLLLLLL!"

If Bush says: Hanoi Jane (Fonda)
You say: Baghdad Don (Rumsfeld)

If Bush says: Special interest groups
You say: Halliburton

If Bush says: Wants gay marriage
You say: Needs the draft

If Bush says: Hurt middle class by raising taxes
You say: Hurt middle class by raising unemployment

If Bush says: Mrs. Kerry's Walmart stock
You say: Mrs. Bush's driving record

(Contributed by NRK):
If Bush says: Massachusetts liberal
You say: Connecticut cowboy

If Bush says: effete latte-drinker
You say: scared of horses

If Bush says: Jane Fonda
You say: Ashcroft, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rice, Rove, Armitage, Rumsfeld, Pryor, Pickering

If Bush says: Voted for IWR
You say: Fool me once, shame on...shame on...you?

May I add:
If Bush says: Flip-flopper
You say: Bait-and-switch

:headbang:
rocknation

[swinney]

24. Flip-Flop use my 45

not updated since May 2003. Many to be added.BUSH WAFFLE HOUSE
“I say what I mean and mean what I say”
“ Promises made-Promises kept”
“When I make up my mind it stays made up”
“I do not take cues from anyone”
“You can’t say one thing and do another”
“Trust me I’m a straight shooter”
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.Osama Bin Laden is my number one priority. (at least this week)
2. We need an Office of Strategic Influence (Next decade maybe)
3. I will follow the UN Resolution as long as it takes-10-27-02
10-31-02—The UN needs to act now
2-13-03—The UN needs to show courage (like I did during Vietnam.)
4. I am a strong believer in Fair Trade—(except steel and softwood lumber) (votes first)

Ed Crane—Co-Founder and President of The Cato Institute-“Everything this
administration does is political”

5, We do not need for the Homeland Security Department to be a Cabinet position.
I made up my mind on it. Boston Globe—6-9-02 “Bush Flip Flop”
6. I will get Osama Bin Laden “Dead or Alive”—(go get em cowboy)—5-13-02-(“I don’t know where he is, I have no idea and I really don’t care.) (It’s not that important. It’s not out first priority”) (“I say what I mean”). (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”).
7. I will use the bully pulpit with OPEC. (Sic em bulldog my gas now 1.65 per gallon)
Supply went down and Prices went up and (“This is just the Free Market at Work”)
8. I will never apologize to the Chinese for “stealing our plane”. Please guys! Be nice.
Return our plane. “I regret it”
9. I mean what I say—“We can expect an attack”. Each month warning. When BOY?
10. Wash. Post-2-8-03—Bush seeking a promise from IRAN (Evil) for humanitarian help
in event a slaughter is done in Afghan. (Sounds like Reagan?)
11. NYT-1-23-03—Bush (Man of steel will) “rescinding” old policy and implementing a new policy that allows managed care organizations to limit and restrict coverage of emergency services for poor people on Medicaid. This was after criticizing HMO.s for refusal to allow treatment. If this is a Devout Christian I am Jesus Christ.
12. We will not negotiate with North Korea. Wash Post 1-16-03—Bush is now willing to consider agricultural and energy aid. (Hold on! This is EVIL of axis)
13.Individual investors who borrow money to buy dividend paying stocks should be penalized.(Gosh! What did I say—I did not mean it) NYT 2-5-03
14. I mean what I say until yelling starts. Military pay increase of 2% then 4%.
Stars & Stripes-12-30-02—Bush asked Defense Dept. to lower the announced pay raise for the military from 3.7% to 2%. Finally got 4 in 2004 budget.

“I am tired of all the Lying and Deception”—Amen! Hallelulah! Then stop it Boy.




15.I mean what I say—I am the education president. Please. First budget increased by 1,5% which had averaged 7% increase per year over five years. (Sounds like Clinton was the Educated educator to me.)
16.Wash Post-12-2-02—In June 2002 Bush promised 500 Million to fight mother-child transmission of Aids . In Aug he vetoed the first transfer of the 500 million. In 111 days since his promise 222,000 babies have been infected with Aids. (I wonder if Jesus Christ is tossing in his bed)

17.“Secretary O’Neill is doing a good job. The economy is improving. I have faith in him”. (your faith lasts two weeks boy)

18.The Homeland Security Bio-Terrorism Bill is too expensive. I will veto it. An Ok is not a veto boy.
(I mean what I say” but maybe I will not this time.)

19. I do not approve of an Independent Investigation of 9-11. (“I mean what I say” but—yelling is too loud).

20.I am against international money laundering controls. (9-11—“I changed my steel mind”) They may catch daddy.

21.We will have major social security changes. Wash Post. 11-11-01—Andrew Card on Meet the Press on 11-10-02 “I am not sure we will reform it” This was a Centerpiece of his campaign..

22.-12-30-02—We will not tolerate a North Korean nuclear arsenal. (Act nice guys if you want our $$$)

23.We do not hit civilian targets(in Afghan). There is no evidence. (Red Cross building not civilian—Veterans Hospital is military—Warlord Party heading to Kabul to celebrate was armed with .22 rifles—Wedding Party was violent and firing in the air at our planes 20,000 feet above them)

24.Wash Posr-11-15-02—“If you are not happy with the administration’s policy toward Iraq at any given moment just wait a week or two. A new policy, more your liking, is bound to appear”.

A. Go it alone week
B. Let us wait for UN week
C. “regime change” is goal
D. remove wmd is goal
E. Secretary of State is nor speaking for the president
F. Attorney General is not speaking for the administration.
G. I am sick and tired of this waffling and waiting.


25.Steel Tariff—I really did not mean that much. I angered some people. Reduce it.
(When I make up my mind it stays made up)
26.Carbon Dioxide is a power plant pollutant I will control.. (Oh! It will be too costly to my energy contributors so forget it suckers—cough cough)
27.Reuters-6-26-02—‘I have confidence in the Palestinians when they understand we are saying they must make the right decisions”—“I can assure you we will not be putting money into a society which is not transparent and which is corrupt”.
(Was he referring to his administration? Sounds like it—transparent—corrupt)

28.I am against human cloning in any form. (well, not quite “any”)
29.“I knew nothing about dangers of 9-11”. Eight months later. “I knew a damn bunch (but I was too busy on Vacation and looking for more to blame on that President who stomped my dad. Darn it is tough being dumb, inarticulate and following such a brain and great success)
30.“I am in excellent physical condition.” (Darn, staying up till midnight in Paris zapped all my energy—Boy—try conditioning your mind))
31.I am on top of everything. (Why did you say twice on TV—“I am not in control the Pentagon is running the War (Afghan)—You have a White House base—same as Al Qaeda. Only more secretive)
32.I will veto bill increasing benefits for disabled military retirees (Yep!He was war hero.. 6-20-02 in Wash Post. I do not change my mind. Until 2004 Budget).
33.-6-14-02—released 23,653 of ”cherry picked” Reagan papers after refusing to do it. “When I make up my mind it stays made up” Is this BOY real ?”
34.I mean what I say—‘I will provide 100 million to help preserve the Rain Forest”
35.Budgeted funds for his dad’s Crusader cannon then demanded that Congress kill the big sucker.
36. Airline Security is very important to me. Then, why did you fight so hard to keep guns out of cockpits?
37.Barred part-time Mexican and Canadian students from U.S. schools after 9-11. Then, after howls reversed his decision. “When I make up my mind”
38.Simon (candidate for Gov. of California). “He is a breath of fresh air.”
Bush sho hated that California Smog for he avoided Simon while in his presence.
39.“I will not engage in bailing out countries.” 30 billion to Brazil just a tip?
40.NY Times-Richard Stevenson-2-14-03—“Bush eases Ban on AIDS money to pro-abortion groups abroad.. What will he tell Falwell?
41.-March 6—“We will call for a UN Security Council vote.” Geo. Bush
March 13—“There may be no vote” Colin Powell
NY TIMES-“Bush promises to adopt peace plan”. The Guardian-“Bush reversed his previous insistence that the Middle East Peace effort must wait till after Iraq SLAUGHTERAMA
42.NY TIMES--Edmund L. Andrwews-2-26-03—Less than a month after President Bush proposed a radical overhaul and expansion of individual retirement and savings account the White House has abandoned their idea. (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”) (“Promises made promises kept”) (“I say what I mean and mean what I say”)
-------------WHO IN HECK IS IN CHARGE IN THIS WAFFLE HOUSE?------------

43. ny times-patrick e. tyler-5-17-03—“In reversal, plan for Iraqi self rule by June 1 put off indefinitely. “When I make up my mind(scorched?) it stays made up”? Sho!
44.BIG WAFFLE—Washington Post-8-19-03-Dana Milbank & Bradley Graham—
“Bush revises view on combat in Iraq”.---May I on USS Desertion he said-- “Combat Operations are over”.. Now—“Actually, Major military operations continue because we still have combat operations going on”. Is this boy of scorched brain or what?
45. TEACH FOR AMERICA PROGRAM ZAPPED BY BUSH. I am pissed off. Big time. In 2000 campaign Bush promised President Wendy Koop to expand it. His aides asked President Wendy Koop to quadruple it. . On July 11,2003 she got a letter “We regret to inform you your application was not selected for funding”. Gone. Zapped totally. Bush is one of sorriest not just worst in history. Read TIME—8-17-03. Joe Klein article headed “WHO KILLED TEACH FOR AMERICA”? Sorry, but I am so furious I have difficulty writing. I do not like to curse but xxxxxxx.

[swinney]

25. Kerry learned from Gore being Gored

Gore played nice guy and "let us discuss only issues".

The "credibility gap" issue was allowed to be used in debates and all over airwaves.

They were lies. Yet, he did not fight.

Kerry will hit Bush hard if he tries such junk in a debate with him. Bush will stagger all over the stage. He is used to hearing things he wants to hear. He cannot stand criticism. He is immature . He is spoiled. He cannot think,speak. read or write with a degree of normalcy.

KO him Kerry.

[symbolman]

29. Gee I wonder if Mr Bush ever changed his mind?

# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.