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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:20 PM
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Tenet's Testimony Today....
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 02:41 PM by dennis4868
was disgusting. He admits that the CIA did not think the threat from Iraq was imminent like the WH told us but yet he says that Bush and Cheney did not mislead us before the war. WTF? Does Bush have a pic of Tenet in a compromising position with an animal or something? Seriously, you dont have to be a genius or even a Director of the CIA to figure out that Bush and Cheney and the rest of the WH thugs lied to us and misrepresented the facts in the lead up to war. Bush was consistently saying things that were not in any NIE.....mushroom cloud, Iraq has nucclear weapons, Iraq has ties to al Qaeda, etc...

Another thing that bothers me alot is not simply the fact that the media is tired of story and has pretty much ended any investigation into this (no suprise there) but the Dems themselves never bring up the lies of WMD. WTF? I only see Senator Kennedy talking in public about this....and he does so very passionately. But that is about it. Even Kerry is staying away from the issue. Kerry could very easily exaplin his vote for the war by saying he is against it now because the whole excuse for the war were based on lies by Bush and Cheney. I just dont get it. Can you imagine if Clinton had done this. We would seriously be in the middle of a constitutional crisis right now, and night after night on shows like Hardball and Scarborough Country would be attacking Clinton without an end in site. But yet all is forgotten, even by the Dems. It is like they are scared to bring up the issue.

Just last Sunday on Face the Nation, the show has 3 possible democratic presidential candidates on and they were asked if they could ask Cheney one question, what would it be. None of them brought up WMD! WTF? We have 560 dead soldiers now and thousands with life changing injuries....this is not a political issue....this is a serious matter!
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Frank_Person Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:28 PM
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1. I saw him. What a punk.
I hear ya!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:36 PM
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2. Understanding of your frustration,
Tenet was lame today.

But, isn't he always?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:42 PM
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3. He is always lame
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 02:45 PM by dennis4868
and he was lying his ass of also today and no senator nor the media will hold accountable for this...he is suppose to be an independent agency and instead his just another wing of the WH propoganda machine.....sickening! One time during his testimony he was asked baout Cheney's statement that Iraq HAD nuclear weapons even after the NIE and DOE did not think so and some knucklehead sitting behind Tenet gives him a note, Tenet reads it, and then says well I have been informed that Cheney meant to say Nuclear weapons programs...They are there defending Cheney. That is not their job!
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:45 PM
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4. I saw that, too.
The Republican Members just kissed Tenent's butt and told him what a wonderful job he did. Agreed what you said about Kennedy. I think Carl Levin, Jack Reed, and Mark Dayton from MN were on it, too. I was rather pissed that C-Span had to cut away to the House Proceedings right when Bill Nelson was giving them hell for giving him wrong and incomplete information.

Senator Warner came right out and said that George Tenent was not their keeper (bush*, Cheney, etc.). In other words, it was OK that Tenent did not call them out for lying.

While Tenent denied paying the Iraqi Congress $250,000 per month, the Vice Admiral from DIA did not deny it and said he would discuss it in closed session.

I think the rest of the Democrats, like Lieberman and Hillary are trying to please the right-wing Democrats. You know, with all the shit the Repukes gave Clinton, you'd think that she would be right there on their asses. But I guess she's trying to win elections also.

I keep having to remind myself that us Liberals are not the chosen ones.

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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:47 PM
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5. Senator Warner came right out and said that George Tenent was not their...
keeper? Well, tell that to the parents, kids and brothers and sisters of the 560 servicemen and women who are now dead! Shit!
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:00 PM
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7. Oh, and I forgot to report that
Joe Lieberman was his usual asshole self. I can't remember his exact words, but they were directed at Kennedy and the others to stop picking on Tenent. If you remember what he said, please post.

Also Hillary brought up the article about Zawkawi (?) being in Northern Iraq before the war started. Tenet said he didn't know anything about it.

And from Tenent's expressions and his "I-don't-Know's", he doesn't strike me as being very intelligent. He also said he never watches Meet the Press and he never heard Cheney state that Iraq had nuclear weapons and that no one told him. Yikes! Yep, he needs to be fired.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:12 PM
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9. Actually
Tenet said the intel they had on Zarquawi wasn't concrete so therefore that's why they didn't bomb the suspected camp in northern Iraq where he was supposedly building chemical weapons. What's funny about this statement is, that's the exact same evidence Bush used in his SOTU address to prove a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

These silly wingnuts. Their own lies contradict each other.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:15 PM
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10. Thanks for the clarification,
Oaf. I appreciate it. I hate to give wrong information.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:59 PM
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12. That's hysterical
Please send that one around to some journalists
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 04:01 PM
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14. The SOTU
was not only about the 16 words on the Niger Yellowcake allegation...the whole damn thing was a fraud....WHERE IS THE MEDIA? Democracy and the truth needs your help right now!!!!!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 04:00 PM
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13. Loved it the most. CIA and "I don't know". We can take that up in the
Edited on Tue Mar-09-04 04:01 PM by anarchy1999
closed session.

PITIFUL!!

Director of the CIA saying "I don't know". MFF.

And why did C-Span cut to opening of BS. Prayers and Pledge of Allegiance. WTF!
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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:54 PM
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6. Gee I'm glad our party
nominated the "electable" candidate over Dean.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:02 PM
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8. Sen. Levin did an outstanding job today...
In his opening statement he asked about OSP and Doug Feith's involvement with getting information to the VP. He then dirrectly asked Tenet if he was aware of Feith's involement with intelligence and the VP. Tenet said not until Levin told him last week. What a F***ing LIAR!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 04:01 PM
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15. So Tenet doesn't read the NY Times, WaPo. New Yorker
and he doesn't watch the news.

This is the best explanation he can come up with?

Or maybe it's not - and he wants everyone to know that it's ridiculous.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 04:02 PM
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16. "So Tenet doesn't read the NY Times, WaPo. New Yorker"
can anyone in this administration read? The pResident does not read the papers either....WTF?
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:36 PM
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11. Kennedy went after Tenet here:
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 04:04 PM
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17. When U figure it out, let me know, Dennis
I beat my head against the wall daily over this same shit.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 05:05 PM
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18. Dear George Tenet, FYI:
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,999669,00.html

The spies who pushed for war
Julian Borger reports on the shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force
Thursday July 17, 2003
The Guardian

<snip>

In the days after September 11, Mr Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, mounted an attempt to include Iraq in the war against terror. When the established agencies came up with nothing concrete to link Iraq and al-Qaida, the OSP was given the task of looking more carefully.

William Luti, a former navy officer and ex-aide to Mr Cheney, runs the day-to-day operations, answering to Douglas Feith, a defence undersecretary and a former Reagan official.

The OSP had access to a huge amount of raw intelligence. It came in part from "report officers" in the CIA's directorate of operations whose job is to sift through reports from agents around the world, filtering out the unsubstantiated and the incredible. Under pressure from the hawks such as Mr Cheney and Mr Gingrich, those officers became reluctant to discard anything, no matter how far-fetched. The OSP also sucked in countless tips from the Iraqi National Congress and other opposition groups, which were viewed with far more scepticism by the CIA and the state department.

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http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html

Only weeks after 9/11, the Bush administration set up a secret Pentagon unit to create the case for invading Iraq. Here is the inside story of how they pushed disinformation and bogus intelligence and led the nation to war.

By Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest

It's a crisp fall day in western Virginia, a hundred miles from Washington, D.C., and a breeze is rustling the red and gold leaves of the Shenandoah hills. On the weather-beaten wood porch of a ramshackle 90-year-old farmhouse, at the end of a winding dirt-and-gravel road, Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski is perched on a plastic chair, wearing shorts, a purple sweatshirt, and muddy sneakers. Two scrawny dogs and a lone cat are on the prowl, and the air is filled with swarms of ladybugs.

<more>



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http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

SELECTIVE INTELLIGENCE
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Donald Rumsfeld has his own special sources. Are they reliable?
Issue of 2003-05-12
Posted 2003-05-05

They call themselves, self-mockingly, the Cabal—a small cluster of policy advisers and analysts now based in the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans. In the past year, according to former and present Bush Administration officials, their operation, which was conceived by Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, has brought about a crucial change of direction in the American intelligence community. These advisers and analysts, who began their work in the days after September 11, 2001, have produced a skein of intelligence reviews that have helped to shape public opinion and American policy toward Iraq. They relied on data gathered by other intelligence agencies and also on information provided by the Iraqi National Congress, or I.N.C., the exile group headed by Ahmad Chalabi. By last fall, the operation rivalled both the C.I.A. and the Pentagon’s own Defense Intelligence Agency, the D.I.A., as President Bush’s main source of intelligence regarding Iraq’s possible possession of weapons of mass destruction and connection with Al Qaeda. As of last week, no such weapons had been found. And although many people, within the Administration and outside it, profess confidence that something will turn up, the integrity of much of that intelligence is now in question.

<snip>

According to the Pentagon adviser, Special Plans was created in order to find evidence of what Wolfowitz and his boss, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, believed to be true—that Saddam Hussein had close ties to Al Qaeda, and that Iraq had an enormous arsenal of chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons that threatened the region and, potentially, the United States.

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http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact

THE STOVEPIPE
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
How conflicts between the Bush Administration and the intelligence community marred the reporting on Iraq’s weapons.
Issue of 2003-10-27
Posted 2003-10-20

<snip>

Part of the answer lies in decisions made early in the Bush Administration, before the events of September 11, 2001. In interviews with present and former intelligence officials, I was told that some senior Administration people, soon after coming to power, had bypassed the government’s customary procedures for vetting intelligence.

<snip>

The point is not that the President and his senior aides were consciously lying. What was taking place was much more systematic—and potentially just as troublesome. Kenneth Pollack, a former National Security Council expert on Iraq, whose book “The Threatening Storm” generally supported the use of force to remove Saddam Hussein, told me that what the Bush people did was “dismantle the existing filtering process that for fifty years had been preventing the policymakers from getting bad information. They created stovepipes to get the information they wanted directly to the top leadership. Their position is that the professional bureaucracy is deliberately and maliciously keeping information from them.

“They always had information to back up their public claims, but it was often very bad information,” Pollack continued. “They were forcing the intelligence community to defend its good information and good analysis so aggressively that the intelligence analysts didn’t have the time or the energy to go after the bad information.”

The Administration eventually got its way, a former C.I.A. official said. “The analysts at the C.I.A. were beaten down defending their assessments. And they blame George Tenet”—the C.I.A. director—“for not protecting them. I’ve never seen a government like this.”

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http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=51202

FEBRUARY 20 - 26, 2004
Soldier for the Truth
Exposing Bush’s talking-points war
by Marc Cooper

After two decades in the U.S. Air Force, Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, now 43, knew her career as a regional analyst was coming to an end when — in the months leading up to the war in Iraq — she felt she was being “propagandized” by her own bosses.

With master’s degrees from Harvard in government and zoology and two books on Saharan Africa to her credit, she found herself transferred in the spring of 2002 to a post as a political/military desk officer at the Defense Department’s office for Near East South Asia (NESA), a policy arm of the Pentagon.

Kwiatkowski got there just as war fever was spreading, or being spread as she would later argue, through the halls of Washington. Indeed, shortly after her arrival, a piece of NESA was broken off, expanded and re-dubbed with the Orwellian name of the Office of Special Plans. The OSP’s task was, ostensibly, to help the Pentagon develop policy around the Iraq crisis.

She would soon conclude that the OSP — a pet project of Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld — was more akin to a nerve center for what she now calls a “neoconservative coup, a hijacking of the Pentagon.”

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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 05:57 PM
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19. It is just so hard to
fight those Republican Senators and Congressmen and the whore media. Money and power are so all-important.
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