PAGLIA Trashed IVINS on Book TV 2EST

[UTUSN]

Tuned in just missing it, so here's a prior quote from IVINS:
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http://womenshistory.about.com/library/qu/blquivin.htm
There is one area in which I think Paglia and I would agree that politically correct feminism has produced a noticeable inequity. Nowadays, when a woman behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, "Poor dear, it's probably PMS."' Whereas, if a man behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, "What an asshole." Let me leap to correct this unfairness by saying of Paglia, Sheesh, what an asshole.

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Somebody give PAGLIA a sedative. If it weren't for a quiet caller interrupting, my Lhasa Apso and I would be jumping into the umbrella plants.

[XanaDUer]

1. She also said Bush

has brought dignity back to the WH.

No shit, she said it. It is a cliche by now.

[UTUSN]

2. Whoa! "Condi is a MASTER OF THE PIANO"

"A role model in so many ways." Oh, yeah, Condi played "Old Man River" and "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen" the weekend after 9-11 at Camp David for King Shrub and his jesters. (Not Kidding.)

The host is listing names for PAGLIA to bounce off off: CHOMSKY---"I'll take the high road with him. DRUDGE: a wonderfully INDEPENDENT (p.o.s.), a MASTER."

[XanaDUer]

3. I know Paglia loves to stir up stuff

but when she said the dignity thing about Bush, I was shocked that she could not come up with something more original than that line.

I was awaiting the he's-a-good-Christian-man line next.

And Life keeps getting more bizarre...

[diplomats]

11. When Clinton was running for president

I remember her saying she liked his bad-boy persona. I guess she justs goes with the flow. BTW, that dignity line gets me. It doesn't matter that the guy is an intellectual midget who thinks God talks to him on a regular basis. All that matters is he doesn't get BJs from interns. Talk about lowering the bar for presidential performance.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. Paglia has been trying to live down this Ivins column for a decade

From _Mother Jones_, September/October 1991, pp 8-10
(Italics are indicated like _this_.)

Impolitic, by Molly Ivins.

I Am the Cosmos

Austin, Texas --- ``So write about Camille Paglia,'' suggested the
editor. Like any normal person, I replied, ``And who the hell might
she be?''

Big cheese in New York intellectual circles. The latest rage. Hot
stuff. Controversial.

But I'm not good on New York intellectual controversies, I explained.
Could never bring myself to give a rat's ass about Jerzy Kosinski.
Never read Andy Warhol's diaries. Can never remember the name of the
editor of this _New Whatsit_, the neo-con critical rag. I'm a no-hoper
on this stuff, practically a professional provincial.

Read Paglia, says he, you'll have an opinion. So I did; and I do.

Christ! Get this woman a Valium!

<snip to end of column>

There is one area in which I think Paglia and I would agree that
politically correct feminism has produced a noticeable inequity.
Nowadays, when a woman behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable
fashion, we say, ``Poor dear, it's probably PMS.'' Whereas, if a man
behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, ``What an
asshole.'' Let me leap to correct this unfairness by saying of Paglia,
Sheesh, what an asshole.

http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/~erich/misc/ivins_on_paglia


On edit: I thought others would enjoy the entire column from which your opening quote was taken.

[XanaDUer]

6. God, I love Ivins

Thanks for the great article.

When I was in grad school , it was de rigeur(sp?) to read Paglia.

Now I feel that way about Ivins. :)

[roughsatori]

13. Thanks for that article. She attended a poetry reading of mine

about 10 years ago. She came up afterwards and handed me her address on a slip of paper. She said I was a "genius," whose work found the joy in what others only found meretricious. I asked a friend "Who is that insane lesbian?" He said "You already read her book." Then she came back to me and said "I know your spiritual father", and she gave me the phone number to a writer that she had dedicated Sexual Peronae to. I never contacted her, or him--my bi-polar disorder was starting to put me in the hospital a lot then.

But the funny thing was, she would not let me say a word. I told her how much I loved French Literary and Political Theory. She said she "despised" it and that my spiritual father liked that "nonsense" too. I thought she was speeding her brains out.

[Cha]

17. Thanks, NSMA! This would explain perfectly paglia's take

on Molly's book! ANd anyone who says bush brings "dignity to the White House" has been living in a bombshelter for the last 3 years.

[SharonAnn]

23. Thank you for the article link. I've been laughing while reading it

and my husband wants to know what's so funny. I'll try to explain it to him but he's not quite "up" on some of the feminist concepts Molly is talking about. Better yet, I'll print out the article for him and let him figure it out. Then he can explain it to me in case I missed something.

Too, too funny! And I totally agree with Molly ivins, have never been able to figure out Camille Paglia and her objective. Anytime I've read her work or seen her on TV she's just been ranting.

ROTFL

[madrchsod]

5. paglia decided

she could get more by turning conservitive..maybe her and annie can share notes over a bottle of bud.

[DemLikr]

18. I bet Camille and Ann could come up with LOTS of things to do with

that Budweiser bottle.


Tee hee...does that make me a bad person?:o :o

[Composed Thinker]

7. One of these days

Eric Alterman, in critiques of Andrew Sullivan, said that Sullivan's "stormy editorship" of The New Republic let him open up its pages to the "racist-pseudo science of Charles Murray" and "the libelous fantasies of Stephen Glass," as well as the "lunatic ravings of Camille Paglia." One of these days, I'm going to find those pieces she wrote and read them.

[roughsatori]

14. Her essay on Emily Dickinson is quite good

it is in Sexual Personae. She is not so good on writing about pop culture or politics; but she writes very well about dead painters and writers. She breathes new life into ways of looking at the work of artists sterilzed by being taught as part of the canon.

[bandy]

8. my Lhasa and your Lhasa

must go to the same groomer. Love my little guy.

[Fixated]

9. ...

OH. MY. GOD. The last caller said that she "presonifies sexiness."

[XanaDUer]

10. Paglia!?

Personifies sexiness?

Hmmmmmmmm.

[UTUSN]

12. Asshole PAGLIA Would Appreciate the Irony

that the wingnuts she has thrown herself in with would BARELY CONTAIN themselves until she was out of the room, then would CACKLE HYSTERICALLY and in the most "heartless" way.

from BROCK, Blinded by the Right, p. 197 (paper):
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.... As with my later relationship with Laura Ingraham, Ann (COULTER) and I never had a serious conversation about politics, or anything else. Instead, we smoked, drank to excess---Ann seemed to live on nothing but chardonnay and cigarettes---and vented our anger and cruelty by hurling all manner of epithets at liberals and the disadvantaged among us. We eschewed subtlety. To Ann, my "nutty/slutty" line was a stroke of genius. Our only disagreement was over abortion: Ann called me a "baby-killer". ....
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[UTUSN]

15. By Way of Disclaimer

I don't know how to transfer scanned pics to the net, so both graphics are similar to my real plants and dog but not OF them. The dog goes through long periods of no extra-curricular activities, then, inexplicably and unpredictably-------DIVES--------into the middle of the plants, tramping them down and ripping them out.

As for IVINS having said, "Christ, give that woman a valium," ---------wow, I had not known that when I posted, "Somebody give PAGLIA a sedative." Wow. (I won't even PRESUME with the "great minds" remark.)

[UTUSN]

16. Now That PAGLIA Mentioned the Classics Dept

In the drumming up the Iraq attack, Victor Davis HANSON floated to the surface as CHEENEE's guru. The NeoCons have annointed him and he has given them historical examples for exerting aggressive, pre-emptive, brute power without mercy. He writes for the National Review and is a prof at the Classics Dept at a California university.

The NeoCons are also linked to (???? a 1930s prof from U-Chicago), also a Classics dude.

So this came together for me, linking them to NIETSCHE--------not together, but each of them separately deriving their surface-puzzling abandonment of our political type of "Liberalism".

It's the CLASSICS------the ancient pre-Christian virtues of PRIDE (no "humility"), physical force taking the day.

So is this where PAGLLIA is coming from?

[BuddhaGirl]

19. YIKES!!

She just said that she "gets more intellectual stimulation from listening to Rush Limbaugh than the theorists in academe..."

What a loon!

[mitchum]

25. Well that hypocrite needs to give up her cushy tenured position..

so that she will no longer have to endure academe.

[stanwyck]

20. Paglia is desperate

she's a total egomaniac who has to hog the spotlight. She hasn't had the press lately. Too many younger and prettier repugs. Plus, there's that whole "lesbian" thing that the wingers aren't really too comfortable with...so, Poor girl. What can she do? Who can she insult to get back into the limelight? The liberals don't want her. She's gotta stay with the guys who brung her; even if they've run off and left her by herself. She has nothing to offer.

[disgruntella]

21. seriously....

... didn't Paglia's 15 minutes expire in the early 1990s?

Anyone else read "My Date with Camille Paglia" -- autobio cartoon by the talented Ellen Forney? Just in case you need more confirmation that Camille's a nutjob....

[Kanola]

26. I agree an diagnosable AXIS II Narcissitic Personality Disorder

Plus, I think she may either take some form of methamphetamine. Her thoughts are incoherent and a mess. I wanted to take a sedative after listening to her for about three minutes.

[John_H]

22. She's a a bit of poseur...

Although I agree with much of what she writes, I just can't get by the self-marketing most of the time...

[Sweetpea]

24. I had to change the channel....she was really getting on my nerves