Dennis Kucinich and Karen Kwiatkowski on This Is Hell

[Dirty Hippie]

Show starts at 10:00 eastern time.

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http://thisishell.net/

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[otohara]

1. Thanks

Karen...we'll never see her on the Today show - will we?

[jbfam4]

4. let's see if we can push this issue

by writing in to TODAY and sending them the salon link about Karen.
I am sending it to several shows. I just can't sit back and do nothing when this story is so important. Want to join me?

[nostamj]

2. "false by design"

must must MUST read article by Karen Kwiatkowski


http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp/index.html

War is generally crafted and pursued for political reasons, but the reasons given to the Congress and to the American people for this one were inaccurate and so misleading as to be false. Moreover, they were false by design. Certainly, the neoconservatives never bothered to sell the rest of the country on the real reasons for occupation of Iraq -- more bases from which to flex U.S. muscle with Syria and Iran, and better positioning for the inevitable fall of the regional ruling sheikdoms. Maintaining OPEC on a dollar track and not a euro and fulfilling a half-baked imperial vision also played a role. These more accurate reasons for invading and occupying could have been argued on their merits -- an angry and aggressive U.S. population might indeed have supported the war and occupation for those reasons. But Americans didn't get the chance for an honest debate.

President Bush has now appointed a commission to look at American intelligence capabilities and will report after the election. It will "examine intelligence on weapons of mass destruction and related 21st century threats ... compare what the Iraq Survey Group learns with the information we had prior..." The commission, aside from being modeled on failed rubber stamp commissions of the past and consisting entirely of those selected by the executive branch, specifically excludes an examination of the role of the Office of Special Plans and other executive advisory bodies. If the president or vice president were seriously interested in "getting the truth," they might consider asking for evidence on how intelligence was politicized, misused and manipulated, and whether information from the intelligence community was distorted in order to sway Congress and public opinion in a narrowly conceived neoconservative push for war. Bush says he wants the truth, but it is clear he is no more interested in it today than he was two years ago.

[Bozita]

3. Tune in early ... the stream fills quickly

great program

[nostamj]

5. damn damn damn damn damn damn damn

can't get the stream

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[Bozita]

6. keep trying, you'll get in

[nostamj]

8. finally!

took 30 minutes! how long has she been on?

[Bozita]

9. She came on between 10:15 - 10:20am ET

Can you believe that DU doesn't have a "Listen Live" button for this show?

[Ricdude]

7. how long till the archives show up? n/t

[buycitgo]

10. archives usually take a WEEK or longer to post, but they're excellent

here's her appearance from last august

http://www.thisishell.com/archives_2003.html

scroll down to the August 9 show

[buycitgo]

11. asking why did we really go war in Iraq, why did we LET them go

for geo-strategic military reasons; not happy with our positioning in the Middle East

we wanted bases there.....oil dependent country.....we need to be there to assure the flow of oil, given instability of reason

exercise political/military control of that region

''fooled'' America w/talk of War on Terror, "congress rolled" because of manner in which discussion was framed.

says that she's heard that not a single congressman/senator's child is stationed in Iraq.

Does she see any hope of change in foreign policy if Kerry gets in?

NO! Says Kucinich/Dean would do it, but Kerry won't, at least not in the near future.......

"it's NOT about Iraqi people, it's NEVER been about the Iraqi people"

WE picked the entire Iraqi National Congress, so why should anyone ever think there will be legitimately representative government there.

says Democracy Now will not let her on cause she's a libertarian

thisishell HATES democracy now, BTW, says they're too doctrinaire, among other things

[jbfam4]

13. I thought Tim Johnson had a son there.

says that she's heard that not a single congressman/senator's child is stationed in Iraq.

[bobthedrummer]

12. Have you familiarized yourself with neo-con traitor dominated Pentagon

think tank products?
In case you ever thought Donald Rumsfeld insane, think again-he's really into this Force Transformation stuff--it's part of PNAC, kids.

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