It's getting UGLY. Freepers all over this smear on Kerry

[maxrandb]

I lurk over at Freak repuritan at times. Apparently Faux news is going to run with this story from some guy names Lipscomb. They are trying to place Kerry at a meeting of the VVAW were there apparently was a vote taken about assassinating senators.

Typical right wing shit. Between this and newsmax running a poll that says 60% of Americans think the terrorist want Kerry elected, it is going to get extremely ugly. newsmax of course are the ones that are convinced that Hillary is Eva Braun's and Hitlers long lost love child.

Visiting that site makes me realize that those folks are a lost cause. Bush could be caught screwing their children in the ass and they would still vote for him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1097045/posts?q=1&&page=101

[boobooday]

1. Assassinating Senators?

Oh my god.

The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

If we ask what happened on 9/11 they call US conspiracy theorists.



http://www.wgoeshome.com

[snippy]

11. Speaking of assassinating Senators, this reminds of this Bush supporter.

This is from the website of a Christian (the freeper republican kind) Bush supporter:

November 13, 2003
The Usefulness of Civil Disobedience-Part II-The Bonhoffer Option

Note-I am NOT advocating the following fantasy episode, but it has a following in the darker parts of my mind.

WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary organization calling itself the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance of power in Washington by a pair of brutal attacks this afternoon. A force estimated at about 200 CLF commandos stormed the Supreme Court building, killing 35 people, including five Supreme Court Justices. At the same time, a contingent of 1,000 CLF paramilitaries attacked the Hart Senate Office Building, where a Senate Democratic Caucus meeting was being held. Approximately 50 people were killed in the attack. Once the commandos had seized the building, they systematically killed Democratic senators from states with Republican governors. Here is a list of the 21 senators killed

Daniel Akaka Byron Dorgan Mary Landrieu
John Breaux Bob Graham Blanche Lincoln
Hillary Clinton Ernest Hollings Barbara Mikulski
Kent Conrad Daniel Inouyye David Pryor
Tom Daschle Tim Johnson Harry Reid
Mark Dayton Ted Kennedy Paul Sarbanes
Chris Dodd John Kerry Chuch Schumer

Joe Lieberman was campaigning in South Carolina, and missed the assassins. The attackers turned themselves in to police, and are proudly confessing their crimes, cooperating with authorities.

If the governors appoint Republican replacements, there will be 72 Republicans in the US Senate until replacement elections can be held. Even if a few Democrats are named, there will be likely at least 60 votes to vote for cloture and appoint replacements for the slain Supreme Court justices, changing the balance of power on the court.

OK, I'm ignoring Vermont, where the governor is a RINO, IIRC, and sparing Ben Nelson and Zell Miller as well. I'm also assuming that Bobby Jindal wins Saturday.

I'm also assuming that such bloodshed would be a good idea; I don't think it would. Would five extra conservatives on the Supreme Court and a filibuster-free Senate be worth the bloodshed? It is opposing evil, given some of the less-than-biblical decisions that have emanated from the court.

If we want to use the Nuremberg approach of opposing evil government, would that be a valid American version of the generals plot on Hitler? Most people don't give Bonhoffer grief for being part of that plot. Germany would have been a better place without him and thousands of lives would have been saved had they succeeded.

http://markbyron.typepad.com/main/2003/11/the_usefulness__1.html

Oh those wacky republicans and their wacky republican god.

[displacedtexan]

2. No one related to an unemployed person

takes them seriously any more. They make talk the talk, but I doubt they will vote for * or any other repuke November 2nd.

[Rowdyboy]

3. There was a meeting of anti-war activists in 1971

Some Dude claims Kerry was there. During the discussion some other asshole suggested assasinating US senators. Kerry objected, resigned from the organization, and left the meeting. According to Dude.

Kerry says he wasn't even there. Either way, it has no legs.

[Art_from_Ark]

12. If the story is true, it sounds like an agent provocateur,

possibly one of Hoover's goons, tried to do some rabble-rousing.

[H2O Man]

4. Politics 101:

There are three groups: (1) Those who will always vote for you. (2) those who will never vote for you. (3) The "undecided." Some effort must go towards insuring group #1 gets to the polls. Most effort goes towards getting group #3 to support you, not your opponent. Any energy spent invested in group #2 is wasted. This little political strategy ALWAYS holds true. Politicians such as FDR, JFK, LBJ, RFK, and Bill Clinton used it to win elections. Now, tell us, where do those people you are talking about fit in? Why waste time & energy?

[maxrandb]

6. I hope you're right

I agree that trying to get their vote is fruitless. My concern is with the folks that will hear this shit on Fucks News, or be fed it 24/7 by rush and hannity and all the other wing-nuts.

They may not take the time to learn the truth and say "hell, I'll just vote for Bush because the media and talk radio says I should"

I have faith that Americans are not stupid, yet, even after the past 4 years, when 911 is the highlight of your term, there are people still supporting this guy. Oh yeah, that's right, he did give me an extra $50 with his tax cut.

[H2O Man]

10. good points.

Sometimes, I think Fox is so extreme, so outrageous, and so obscene that it should be used more creatively by the people on our side. Monkey warfare is a good thing. Sean Hannity, for example, loves to show off the extreme right letters of support he gets. I swear the people who like him have rabies. There is great potential in high-lighting their extreme and rigid views in ways that OFFEND many of the "undecided" people in the group #3 we discussed. This election is going to be the most extreme, outrageous, and obscene in our history. We need to be creative, to have fun, and to make people laugh at the bush administration. The people on d.u. are some funny people. We have artists among us. There is unlimited potential here. My concern is that we spend too much time in casual conversations with ourselves (group #1) and far too little in reaching out to group #3. I'm curious what others think about this?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

21. I like you thinking, and I like your quick course in politics! EOM

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

5. Oh my God desperation smells really stinky

I mean seriously someone hand those people a bar of soap and a stick of deoderant. It STINKS to high heaven over there!

I love the desperation, despite the smell. They are just clawing at their faces to get something on Kerry and get it to stick. Meanwhile their guy has been in the White House screwing up everything he touches for the last three plus years. It's got to be hard to be a freeper.

But if I ever shed a tear for them, I stole it from a crocodile! LOL!

Let them stay busy digging around in that litter box. It's fun to watch.

[ParanoidPat]

7. Anything involving a Freeper is UGLY! LOL!

And Newsmax "polls"? :eyes: Just look at the adds on that site!
A poll that only gets 60% in their favor is a guaranteed loser for them! ROFLMAO!

Think about it, that means that 40% of thier own don't even believe this sh*t anymore! :evilgrin:

People are waking up! :bounce:

[papau]

8. Gee -April issue of American Spectator, and Lipscomb making unsourced

charges (the last was sourced words spoken by a dead fellow and not recorded anywhere), and now a meeting that someone in the FBI is feeding him about where someone in the crowd suggested assassinating senators and was voted down (yeah - this is old news) and the handle for Fox cable news is that this unsourced info "may say" (it doesn't) that Kerry led or was at a meeting where the crowd rejected an idiots idea, and that is solid for Fox because they are just quoting Lipscomb.

Man - the supermarket tabloids usually having better sourced raped by man from outer space and gave birth to 2 headed cow stories. Fox is blowing whatever shreds of reputation they may have left - I guess Scafie and Murdoch are in a panic about their boy W and have jerked Roger Ailes chain.

[snippy]

9. If freepers weren't liars they wouldn't be freepers.

Kerry should tar all republicans, but especially Bush, with this smear campaign. Decent Americans will be repulsed by it and by the republicans pushing it. Kerry should batter Bush with it until Bush either denounces it or gets on his knees and begs Kerry to accept his apology. And of course before Bush does either of those things, he will lie. So, in addition to causing millions of decent Americans to feel revulsion for the republican party, attacking Bush for this smear campaign has the added benefit of providing people with the opportunity to see Bush lie and flip-flop about this before he denounces it.

FIRE THE LIAR

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

22. He should not dignify or amplify this message unless absolutely necessary.

[snippy]

24. You may be right, but millions of Americans will find this smear campaign

and the people running it to be repulsive. If republicans are tarred with it they would lose millions of votes. Some of those people would vote democratic although many, perhaps most, would not vote at all.

I understand the political calculation of ignoring attacks like these. But republicans use smear campaigns because they find them to be effective. Someday, somewhere, someone has to call republicans to account for their sleazy tactics.

[hexola]

27. Actually the Freeper thread I read...

seemed pretty skeptical...Kerry voted against - and resigined...nothing to get too excited about...

[scottxyz]

13. I'd say it's getting pretty FUNNY

The tinfoil-hat-wearing, right-wing lunatic fringe!

Wait till the "House of Bush, House of Saud" book hits the bookstores Tuesday.

That's what they're really trying to deflect attention from - plus all the other hemorrhaging going on in the Bush administration the past few weeks...

What you're witnessing is a campaign in meltdown.

I say - SPREAD THE WORD NOW that this is the best arguments the rightwing nutcases can come up with now.

And spread the word WHY they're making up this kind of crazy shit - because they're terrified of the REAL crazy shit that's about to come out on Bush.

[nolabels]

17. "House of Bush, House of Saud" book hits the bookstores

Thanks for the tip on books to look for. I was bustin up when I saw some news on Kerry being followed around a bookstore while taking the day off. Guess he picked up a few.

It struck me funny, for the only book I ever seen * ever hold a book was the one with the Caterpillar on the cover(don't go out of my way to watch for him). I keep thinking to myself could there have been a time when * actually read one. All the sign posts tend to point the other way.

[scottxyz]

18. Here's more into on the "House of Bush, House of Saud" book

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1227634&mesg_id=1227634

This Kerry-smearing (Kerry plotted to ASSASSINATE SENATORS?!?) is a pathetic attempt at pre-emption, pure and simple.

[necso]

14. The problem with baseless mud throwing,

is that some of it will stick with people who are not firmly in one camp or the other and who should know better. I know, I have had it happen to me. I won't go into the details, but I had a group of people (secretly in this case) try slander after slander on me with my boss, until they hit one (absolutely baseless, but touching a sore spot) that scored points.

As for the "catching Bush*" thing, I suspect that many of them would just wait their turn. A few months ago I would have said that we were on the verge of a "religious" war --- I was wrong --- we are in the midst of one. However only one side has, of yet, taken up actually waging war. Like most religious wars it has nothing to do with religion, ethics, cause and effect, or reality. It has everything to do with "whatever we do and say is right" and if you don't agree with us, you are a damned, damnable liar, scoundrel and traitor, worthy of the worst that we can dish out.

That generally decent people can go along with this sort of thing is terrible, but unfortunately not surprising.

It is going to get twelves shades of ugly, folks, because it's a war. Time we recognized the fact.

[blm]

15. VVAW was infiltrated by some of Nixon's goons.

They tried to provoke the vets into taking violent actions so they could be discredited.

Fortunately, most of them kept their heads, and Kerry moved on.

[struggle4progress]

16. What are they going to say?

"Lipscomb knew about a conspiracy to assassinate government officials and like a good patriot blew the whistle -- three decades later"?

Maybe he's jockeying for their Ambulance Driver of the Year award.

[justgamma]

19. Sheeshe

I've followed the links to the freeper site 3 or 4 times now. Those people are blithering idiots!

[juajen]

20. Too funny

This is a non-issue and we shouldn't even be discussing this here. It only gives them more reason to keep it alive. What a hoot!

[maxrandb]

28. Thanks for all the responses

I think this story will die, but I also think that they have an obscene amount of money and will throw so much mud that some will eventually stick.

My point in posting this was to see if somehow the DEMS would fight back HARD on shit like this. Hell, by the time Nov 2000 rolled around, a majority of folks actually believed that Gore said he invented the internet. DEMS need to be ready to fight fire with fire.

"he sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way"

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

23. I used to read stuff on their site for amusement, and to learn

about the enemy. But it's just too depressing, brings me down, all the hate and intolerance, most of the posts with a very Ann Coulterish tone. I don't go there or read the threads anymore. Plus their site design is crappy.

[devinsgram]

25. Boy that is the truth, no matter if would tell them they

were all idiots they would smile shake their heads in approval. What a sorry bunch.

[peekaloo]

26. My sister in Florida told me the lunchtime crowd was abuzz

last week with tales of Kerry. The big story was how Sen. Heinz crossed him up on a senate vote and the next week he died in a plane crash. Then Kerry married his wife three months later. I asked her if they got this info from Faux or just enjoyed the sounds their asses made when attempting conversation.

Yes, they are Boo$h true believers, although I suspect my sister is starting to come around to the truth on Boo$h (Iraq lies, 9/11,economy etc.)