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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:24 PM
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I saw a UFO yesterday. This is not a joke.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 02:15 PM by TruthIsAll
I saw a UFO yesterday. Driving west in Delray Beach, Fl. My wife saw it also. She is 20-20. I am also with glasses.

It was not a plane. It was a thin sliver of light in the distance moving south very slowly. It could not have been a jet. It was not a blimp. They are big and oval.

It stayed in my line of sight until it disappeared into the clouds.

Are they are watching us? Rather, are they watching BushCo?

They are very concerned for this planet.

They know.

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:28 PM
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1. I hope they are watching this
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 01:29 PM by 9215
planet. They probably have us in quarantine.

I saw one once cutting 90% turns at rapid speed. I was standing a firewatch in the Navy.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 08:18 PM
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55. hey, i saw one of those 90 degree
turns once. me and a friend were coming home from san fran at 4:30 a.m., i was driving. we were driving east on I-80 returning to sacramento, when we BOTH saw something dive down at a high rate of speed, stop, and shoot off in a 90 degree angle and disappear. it was the first UFO i'd ever seen.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 10:55 AM
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75. could have been a firefly too, hee, hee
But seriously, this same thing was observed in Belgium by officialdom in the 80's or so. They had it on their radar and the rate of acceleration and deceleration was considered impossible. A few jets chased the UFO's.

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:59 AM
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76. This is compelling.....
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 12:01 PM by 9215
A sighting by numereous citizens in Belgium and then corroborated on F-16 radar. The official statement concluded that was that may have been extra-terrestrial in origin.


http://www.chez.com/lesovnis/htm/vidmil.htm
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:25 PM
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78. Fascinating official report : "There was a logic behind the motions.."
This report corroborated by people on the ground shows that this is most probably of extra terrestrial origin. "No sonic boom" as it went from a impossibly low speed to an impossible 1800 KPH and pulling 40 G's (anything above 8 is death to a human) while being tracked on F-16 radar.

http://www.chez.com/lesovnis/htm/belpre01.htm
snips
The pilot did not even have time to start this procedure, which requires the fighter's radar to stay locked on for at least six seconds. But the object had speeded up from an initial velocity of 280 KPH to 1,800 KPH, while descending from 3,000 meters to 1,700 meters...in one second! This fantastic acceleration corresponds to 40 Gs. It would cause immediate death to a human on board. The limit of what a pilot can take is about 8 Gs. And the trajectory of the object was extremely disconcerting. It arrived at 1,700 meters altitude, then it dove rapidly toward the ground at an altitude under 200 meters, and in doing so escaped from the radars of the fighters and ground units at Glons and Semmerzake. This maneuver took place over the suburbs of Brussels, which are so full of man-made lights that the pilots lost sight of the object beneath them.

......."In any event, it was out of the question for the F-16 to catch up with the object at this low altitude, where the density of the air limits the speed to 1,300 KPH. Above that speed, the temperature in the compressors of the jet turbines would cause the engines to burst," said Col. DeBrouwer. "There was a logic behind the motions of the object."
Everything indicates that this object was intelligently directed to escape from the pursuing planes. During the next hours the scenario repeated twice. The Commander of the Belgian Air Force gave me a detailed report which had been produced by the Belgian Society For The Study of Special Phenomena (Sobeps) in cooperation with the Air Force. The report states: "In three cases the pilots managed to get their radar locked on the object, with the immediate result that the object's behavior drastically changed. The object literally played hide and seek with the fighters. It dived toward the ground to evade the airborne and ground radars. Then it climbed back into radar range in a leisurely manner, thus initiating a new chase.....more



Pretty weird eh.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:15 PM
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80. yup, wierd - i agree
BBT's arrived on the scene in a big way during the 90's.

if it was our military secret then why is it over terrorizing belgium people?
not keeping to its "secretive nature"
not worried about having an incident - crashing or something.
behaving pretty much like crazed teenagers...

i only ask that because it is often invoked as the "official explanation" for this particular class of UFO.
(Big Black Triangles - Janes,Space,NIDS,MSNBC,CNN)

and its a lame explanation. it doesnt fit any of this.

"On November 29, 1989, a dark triangular object, making a humming noise, hovered over a Belgian police car and shone a brilliant beam of light on it. Many people reported this object; it was seen throughout the winter, then most spectacularly on the night of March 30, 1990. That night, thousands of witnesses saw a low-flying triangular UFO (or UFOs) with bright lights flashing in the center. This object could fly as slow as 30 mph, but it accelerated to incredible speeds. Witnesses were adamant that no plane belonging to any air force could have caught this object. Indeed, that night the Belgian Air Force sent two F-16s to do exactly that. The triangles were captured on several NATO radar stations; the jet pilots could also track the objects on radar, and even see them – at times.

But the F-16s – the top interceptors in the world – were completely outclassed by the triangular craft. Not only could it accelerate at incredible speeds, not only could it stop on a dime, but it could change its altitude almost instantly. At one point, for example, radar installations and amazed witnesses observed the triangle to drop about 4,000 feet in one second. That’s nearly a mile"

"The famous Illinois "cop sighting" in early 2000 of a giant triangular object is the best known case of the flying triangles. In this instance, the object was substantially larger than a jumbo jet, flying at perhaps 500 feet altitude, either silent or extremely quiet, moving slowly, and edged with an array of blinding white lights. All this is certainly extraordinary. But what really makes this case difficult to explain is the object’s manner of acceleration. In the words of one officer, it was able to shoot away "in the blink of an eye" with "no sound whatsoever." One moment, it was a few hundred feet away; the next moment, several miles away"










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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:31 PM
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2. What time of day was it?
Where was the sun? Behind you? Planes move very slowly when they are a long ways away. Keep in mind, it may have been a UFO. But that only means it was Flying, it was an Object, and you didn't know what it was. That is all it was.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:39 PM
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8. I was driving west about 6:30pm..the sun was not a factor.
It was not a jet; they leave long trails. This was a thin, very defined object. I could not ascertain its length, for I do not know how far away it was. But it was definitely moving. Slowly. The shape did not change.

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:32 PM
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3. Since you were unable to identify it, yes it was a UFO to you
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:34 PM
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4. I agree; listen to HAL.
HAL knows all about UFOs, Dave.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:34 PM
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5. It was a blimp
I saw it too actually, though I apparently got a lot closer to it finally than you did. My daughter said exactly the same thing, "It's a UFO"!

We were headed right towards it though and as we drew close I could see that it was the MetLife blimp, which is in town for the Honda Classic golf tournament being held in West Palm Beach this weekend. The reason it looked like a thin sliver is because this blimps running lights look that way from a medium distance. I am fairly certain it has lights on top but they weren't visible to me either, I'm guessing due to the angle. Believe me, I didn't recognize it as a blimp until we were almost on top of it.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:44 PM
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11. Sorry, it was NOT a blimp. Too thin. Even at a distance I
would expect to see a round shape.

It was heading due south as I was driving west on Linton Blvd, approaching Military Trail. Blimps don't generally fly that far west of the ocean.

Of course, I could be wrong.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:54 PM
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49. Ha!
That reminds me of an incident 20 years ago. My cousing and I saw what we thought was a UFO and started chasing towards it in our car. We zoomed along at twice the speed limit and just dodged a few accidents (I was, um, young). We finally got close to it, at another angle than before too, and finally we could make sense of the streams of light we saw earlier. It said, "Dancing at the Elbo Room" over and over again. It was a blimp, a commercial in the air! So much for my near-death encounter with a UFO!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:36 PM
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6. I saw something unexplainable about 6 yrs. ago at night

and have been trying to think of an explainable reason ever since.

I might have seen a small hover craft. the one they are developing that is small and can follow a person around, view and communicate with them.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:42 PM
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9. They were very concerned about our planet.
They knew.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:37 PM
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7. Report your sighting.
http://www.mufon.com/reportufo.htm

While the details are still fresh. There may have been other witnesses. I know someone who saw a UFO, thought he was the only one, but years later found out there were two other independent witnesses who saw it as well. They also thought that they were the only ones.

Report it.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:43 PM
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10. I've always thought you were kinda out there.
Now I know for sure.

"Are they are watching us? Rather, are they watching BushCo?
They are very concerned for this planet.
They know."

Uh, okay?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:39 AM
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63. oh please
desist with the low blows.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:54 PM
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12. I saw a flying saucer
in our kitchen one day. I ducked just in time. Wife was angry.

Hee! Hee!

180
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:57 PM
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13. I saw one in 88
in Kansas City. Lots of other people saw it too. The coverup was amazing. First the local AF base reported they were conducting tests in the area, then the next morning the story changed to, "Officially, the 'UFO' was a Russian booster rocket reentering the atmosphere". Problem is, it moved across the sky from north to south.. Booster rockets always reenter from west to east, in the direction of the earth's spin. You'd also think that a piece of a Russian space junk reentering the atmosphere over the center of the country would be big news, warnings would be issued before the event. In this case it was just an excuse for whatever hundreds of people saw that night. I probably would have bought it if they hadn't first said they were conducting tests. Instead it was my first life lesson that our government lies to us and most people accept whatever they say without question.

Whatever it was, it was a beautiful sight. Something I'll never forget.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:14 PM
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39. russian satellites did go north to south
Don't know about now but in the late 1980s I saw a Soviet satellite break up into pieces and re-enter the atmosphere over Grand Isle. I was terrified because of the north/south path and the several very large bright pieces -- I was convinced the aliens were invading! But I later learned that the Soviets did have many satellites on a north/south path for some reason. I can't speak for what you saw, of course, this is just an fyi.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:59 PM
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14. I see UFOs all the time too. They are everywhere
Nothing to worry about. They are our friends. No, really.

Don

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:59 PM
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15. if it was anywhere near the horizon it could have been anything
Most people don't understand the optics of the atmosphere and how things can look near the horizon.

If it was 6:30 pm, it was near sunset, and light can do very strange things as it bounced between the earth (especially the reflective sea), and different thermal layers of the atmosphere. You can also see things that are far over the horizon, reflected back up into different thermal layers. The compression that occurs because you're looking at something that is flat, from so far away, can make these things appear completely odd.

Unless you saw it buzz right over your car, it was probably some kind of atmospheric optical anomaly.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:00 PM
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16. MetLife blimp
Has been flying around here a lot lately. It looks really cool at night.

Vickers in Boynton
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:03 PM
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17. Up above... aliens hover..
The breath of the morning
I keep forgetting
The smell of the warm summer air

I live in a town
Where you can't smell a thing
You watch your feet
For cracks in the pavement

Up above
Aliens hover
Making home movies
For the folks back home

Of all these weird creatures
Who lock up their spirits
Drill holes in themselves
And live for their secrets

They're all uptight
Uptight.. (x7)

I wish that they'd swoop down in a country lane
Late at night when I'm driving
Take me on board their beautiful ship
Show me the world as I'd love to see it

I'd tell all my friends
But they'd never believe
They'd think that I'd finally lost it completely

I'd show them the stars
And the meaning of life
They'd shut me away
But I'd be all right
All right..

I'm just uptight
Uptight.. (x7)
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:03 PM
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18. Armageddon


"When we are at the edge of all out nuclear war, that is when the UFOs will land and shut down all nuclear weapons. According to the Disclosure Project, they say they have fully documented the shut down of nuclear weapons more than once by UFOs."<snip>
http://stargods.org/ArrivalOfAntichrist.htm

"... it is possible that when the world is looking at extinction and Israel is about to be destroyed once and for all, it is then the UFOs will arrive to bring peace and to defend Israel. At this point Israel will destroy all those that come against her with help from our so called space brothers. After this they will establish a covenant with Israel to rebuild their Temple. It will be  a 7 year Covent of final peace, but the Bible says that it is a covenant of death. According to new information, there is a Dead Sea scroll found that is called the Angel Scroll. In it there is a prophecy stating that in the time of the end Israel will be attacked and her fate will appear to be sealed. Then the scroll says that at that point, thousands of  "sun disks" will suddenly appear over Israel. Now what a way for the antichrist to make a grand entrance and first impression..."
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:12 PM
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22. If you talk to the soldiers...
... that fought in the Six Day War, you'll find some really impressive stories about things happening that logically should not have happened.

I don't believe in the anti-Christ stuff, but I do think that strange things can happen for which there is no logical explanation... at least not one that we know.

Far as I know, they seem to happen for the good. Maybe we're just supposed to enjoy the wonder of it all.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:04 PM
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19. Why not?
I saw something many years ago also. A lady friend and I were stopped at a red light in Maryland and a round ball went across the sky incredibly fast... so fast that we weren't quite sure we saw it until we asked each other, "Did you just see that?" Later on that night the news reported that something had been seen by a number of people up in Pennsylvania. I never heard anything more about it though.

Maybe there is some logical explanation, but I like to think that there are still things happening that we can't always explain. I still feel like I was given a special honor to have witnessed it.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:05 PM
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20. I'm curious if you have run one of your famous statistical models
on the "probability" of this being a transportation module from another solar system.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:05 PM
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21. Thanks for sharing. FL is a hotbed for UFO reports.
Sounds like this is the first time you've experience something like this. If I may suggest, write it all down. Ask your wife to do the same before you compare notes.

Then, you may want to give Peter Davenport a blast on the horn or email:

http://www.nuforc.org/

Those who study the phenomenon think the subject is very serious. Most who approach it scientifically will say, "We don't know." Me? I've got an idea... but, that's all it is.



Santa Ana, California. 1965.

Source: http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/heflinhall.htm

If you want to find out more on the subject, check out CUFOS (The Center for UFO Studies) founded by J. Allen Hynek, the late head of Northwestern University's astronomy department and once the scientific consultant to the USAF Project BLUEBOOK.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:43 AM
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64. fl is a hotbed
so is socal. santa ana (the pic you posted)...i'm trying to figure out where that photo was taken. i live in s.a. at that time, and my father spoke of seeing a ufo. i will have to ask him.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:59 AM
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68. They were taken by Rex Heflin, a County accident investigator.
The Polaroids were taken near Dyer Road in Tustin. From a decent overview article and reproductions of the shots ...

In the summer of 1965, newspapers carried cover headlines about UFOs spotted in many states. Orange County, California Highway worker Rex Heflin kept a Polaroid camera in his truck at all times. It was used to document road conditions throughout the region. One summer day as Heflin was out surveying the territory in Tustin near Dyer Road, he spotted an object in the air. 

SOURCE:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/8827/heflin1.html

Here's a better example of one photo (the crease was not in the original, perhaps from a book scan and the one from the above reference won't let me copy onto a graphic insert):



description:

At noon on August 3, 1965 highway traffic engineer Rex Heflin was driving near the Santa Ana freeway when he saw a UFO. He stopped and snapped three Polaroid shots of it. He reckoned it was 750ft (225m) away, at an altitude of 150ft (45m), and 30ft (9m) in diameter. Although Heflin did not report the sighting, on 20 September the Santa Ana Register published the photos.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/Photographs/Photo118.htm

Regarding Heflin: From what else I've read on this case, Mr. Heflin took FIVE Polaroid shots. I have a set of them, but had to buy two books to get them all. A most interesting effect is visible in the photo above. The ground directly beneath the object is disturbed: the dust particles seem to climb up toward the object, as if aligned along magnetic field lines. Mr. Heflin also did report the sighting. From what I remember, the guy tried to radio it in to his HQ, but his radio would not work while the object was in the vicinity.

PS: Please let me know what your dad reported. The subject is taken most seriously by people who know.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 03:44 PM
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82. i will ask him about it
and i know where dyer road is...it's near the now defunct el toro marine base. hmmmmm
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:13 PM
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23. seeeeeee, happens to Lots of people. its them
stuff is going on. welcome aboard.

a lot of people are not even interested in hearing the argument for extra-terrestial visitations.
they already have thier decisions made.

its all either..
1.secret military stuff
2.hoaxs, pranks, liars, insane people, hype
3.natural phenomena, illusions

however many sightings and mass-sightings make all those arguments
completely laughable.

the details are flabberghasting,
they invoke.. Something Else. something entirely different.

and... its been going on since christ was a corporal?

heres a lot of ufo articles i like plz read =)
http://autocannibal.home.comcast.net/ufoarticles.html








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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:13 PM
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24. You saw a flying object that you could not identify
That certainly qualifies as an Unidentified Flying Object.

:D

Are you sure it wasn't a B1rd or a Cr0w?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:24 PM
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26. maybe it was something like this..
F-16s Pursue Unknown Craft Over Region

By Steve Vogel
Washington Post Staff Writer
7-27-2

For Renny Rogers, it was strange enough that military jets were flying low over his home in Waldorf in the middle of the night. It was what he thinks he saw when he headed outside to look early yesterday that floored him.

"It was this object, this light-blue object, traveling at a phenomenal rate of speed," Rogers said. "This Air Force jet was right behind it, chasing it, but the object was just leaving him in the dust. I told my neighbor, 'I think those jets are chasing a UFO.' "

Military officials confirm that two F-16 jets from Andrews Air Force Base were scrambled early yesterday after radar detected an unknown aircraft in area airspace. But they scoff at the idea that the jets were chasing a strange and speedy, blue unidentified flying object.

"We had a track of interest, so we sent up some aircraft," said Maj. Douglas Martin, a spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado, which has responsibility for defending U.S. airspace. "Everything was fine in the sky, so they returned home."


and same event per WTOP Radio....

Several people called WTOP Radio reporting seeing a bright blue or orange ball moving very fast, being chased by jets.

Rogers says there was no smoke coming from the object, no flashing lights, and says it was smooth, and eerily silent.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:21 PM
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25. UFOs and the National Security State
My FAVORITE UFO BOOK: UFOs and the National Security State by Richard M. Dolan. VERY well written and documented studies of the correspondence between the "UFO phenomena" and the rise of the "National Security State." Highly recommended, especially for those who do NOT believe in the UFO subject.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571743170/qid=1079291905/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-4869750-6275105?v=glance&s=books

BMU
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Thoth Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:24 PM
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42. Yes, excellent book
my favorite on the topic. There's lots of evidence from reliable, and often military trained, observers.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:29 PM
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27. I have one that follows me wherever I go
no one else can see it. Everyone has a guardian ufo but I think I am one of the few that can see and communicate with mine. It tells me what to do most of the time, and sometimes I can tell that the govt is trying to block the transmissions.
And sometimes the govt punishes me for doing what it tells me, I keep getting arrested for minor things, like accessing money that is supposed to belong to me.

here is part of the govts plan to block the transmissions to my brain-

"Key talks involving the Government's most senior climate experts have produced proposals to site a massive shield on the edge of space that would deflect the Sun's rays and stabilise the climate." http://100777.com/node/view/667
"Hundreds of thousands of tonnes of metallic 'scatterers' would be ejected into the upper atmosphere under the plans. In addition, billions of tiny barrage balloons could serve as a secondary barrier to block rays from the Earth's nearest star.
Extreme technological fixes include deploying tens of billions of wafer-thin metal plates less than a centimetre wide into the Earth's low orbit via space rockets. These would be specially built to allow space-bound rays to pass while at the same time absorbing a significant amount of solar energy before bouncing it back into space. They would be designed to stay in place for a century. "



Similar solutions include the release of massive nets of ultra-fine metal mesh into the upper atmosphere by aircraft to prevent the Sun's rays from reaching Earth.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:22 PM
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41. is there a reason for your ridicule?
or am I misreading your posts?
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:27 AM
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67. please explain. nt
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 02:04 AM
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69. I thought maybe
you were ridiculing the poster of the thread, but I could easily be wrong, so never mind, I'm just a bit touchy today. :crazy:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 05:44 AM
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74. he's very serious
about spreading dubious information, haven't you noticed?
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:38 PM
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28. I believe you Truth......
although i've never seen one, my mother has, and she is not inclined to lie or make up stories, as she has been a bornagain christian for over 30 years. she said she was going into the front door at home one night and noticed to her left, a huge craft, she says, the size of a football stadium, hovering silently about 100 feet off the ground, with soft glowing lights.

we lived by scott airforce base near st. louis at the time, and apparently hundred of reliable witnesses also saw it. she heard our cat make a strange sound and it startled her more than the ufo.
she looked over at the cat, and back to the sky, and it was gone.
that quick.

i personally believe that they've always been there, they are just very adept at hiding.

i am impressed by the nature show documentaries, where an animal is found, tranquilized, and studied and released unharmed. the animal doesn't know what the hell happened, may not even remember it.
i think 'they' do the same thing to us. like jane goodall living amongst the apes, they've accepted her as one. they could live among us, probably already do, and we cannot detect them. why? because they are a million years more evolved than we, like the diff between a chimp and a man. only a few million years of evolution divide us.

check the local news and see if anyone else saw it. if we spent more time looking up, i think we'd see a lot more of them.

i think if they were going to eat us or enslave us, they already would have. i think they love us, which is why we even exist at all.
i also think they had a hand in creating us, in their own image.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 03:01 PM
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33. careful, here at DU born agains are untrustworthy. Although because it's
your Mom , you probably wont get hassled too much.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:48 PM
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29. I once thought we were under alien attack.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 02:48 PM by Bleachers7
It was a lit up blimp flying low and close to the horizon. I thought there would be green men everywhere.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 03:04 PM
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34. somethings blimps dont do..
*go from a stop to say.. 18,000 mph - instantly.
*shape-change
*aerial acrobatics - flipping, weaving, lurching
*glow like "plasma"
*hover over a cop who is responding to multiple 911-UFO calls - and disable his vehicle. (and give him "close encounter sickness")
*make fighter jets scamble
*generally shock the living hell out of people with thier extreme wierdness


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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:49 PM
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30. Ahhh yes....."..just remember that you're standing on a planet..."
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 02:56 PM by jus_the_facts
........that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!!!! :evilfrown:

....from Monty Python's THE MEANING OF LIFE~The Galaxy Song
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Mr. Socko Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 02:54 PM
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31. It was probably just an airplane.
I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but logic says it was an airplane. I don't believe in aliens at all...that's my reasoning for the airplane answer.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 03:00 PM
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32. Sit back, take a deep breath, let reason slowly set in...
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 03:01 PM by Dr Fate
...and let the demons of superstition slowly seep out.

There was an EXPLAINATION for what you saw.

"Aliens", if they existed, are not stupid enough to be seen by you & your wife.

This was a MAN MADE object.

A kite (yes- they have "UFO" kites, complete with "Close Encounters" lights), a baloon, a remote controlled device.

Perhaps just a regular aircraft- distorted by an opitical illusion of some sort.

Perhaps it was a mirage- a reflection of city or vehicle lights from somwhere else...

I implore you to fully exhaust all rational explainations before you start entertaining somthing we have no scientific proof of...
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 03:10 PM
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35. it could be a plane..
but the Alien Objects are still up there too.
so it can go either way =)



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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:29 PM
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52. "Aliens" would not be stupid enough to let us see/detect them...
...at least that is my opinion.

Funny- no one used to see UFOs before comic books, movies, and man made flight. Why is that?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 08:08 PM
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53. what makes u think that ufo's are recent?
its only something youve been told, and chosen to believe.(unwittingly)
sorry - it/they.. may have been around longer than we have.



http://www.ufoartwork.com/

and again i submit all these articles..
(although nay-sayers obviously do not read, ever.)
http://autocannibal.home.comcast.net/ufoarticles.html
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 03:08 PM
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81. I see images that reflect the popular culture of the day...
...people believed in gods, angels and other supernatural objects comming down from the sky.

These PAINTINGS, (not PHOTOGRAPHS, mind you) represent that belief.

VERY intersesting, but a far cry from proof that aliens have allowed themselves to be detected.

I see no "area 51" style attributes in those PAINTINGS. They look like sun gods to me.

All I'm saying is let be SKEPTICAL concerning either side of the debate.

I BELIEVE that life on other planets exists- but PROVING that they have been detected on THIS planet is another ball of wax...
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Madrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 03:11 PM
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36. I saw something weird once too -

When I was still living in MI, I was on my way to my mom's house, taking back country roads.

As I was headed down a long stretch of road, an object flew relatively slowly from my right into dead center of my vision, paused, then in a streak of light disappeared instantly off to my left. They hit the "warp speed" button on the control panel, I guess. :shrug:

Very weird - and unfortunately I was alone. It was broad daylight when this happened.
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The White Rose Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:38 PM
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37. I've seen a couple.
At the very least they were objects in the sky that I couldn't identify, which pretty much fits the bill. First one was in the distance over an urban area in southern England. Just a line of bright white lights moving slowly across the sky, also witnessed by my mum.

The second, back in the mid 1980s, absolutely defied explanation for me. I was walking in the medieval grounds of my college, just outside the city of Bath, looked up and to my left and saw, sailing silently over the lake, a circle of pale orange lights. The lights were low enough in the sky that they appeared as an oval. My impression was that the thing was about 40-50 feet in diameter assuming it was as close as it appeared (about 300 yards). Now it *was* late dusk, and the light can play tricks on the eyes around then, but I am certain that it wasn't a conventional aircraft or chopper (too close for no sound, or too big if far enough to be out of earshot). The oddest thing about the experience was that I was completeley calm throughout; it didn't even seem unusual except in retrospect. The overall feeling was of vague interest, kind of "oh look, a UFO" rather than "OH MY GOD!" As to whether it was an alien craft, who knows. Personally, I'm leaning towards a natural, as yet unexplained phenomena, which our technological minds interpret as technological craft. I think it's remarkable that so many of these sightings (including mine) are made on or near supposed ley lines; perhaps the Faerie Rades and Wild Hunts of the past were the exact same phenomena, interpreted by the pre-industrial mind. Anyway, I'm with Shakespeare on this..."there are more things in Heaven and earth..."
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:41 PM
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46. What are "ley lines"?
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The White Rose Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:15 PM
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47. Alfred Watkins, way back when, identified key historical and topographical
points in the English landscape (churches, ancient tumuli, megalithic sites, crossroads etc) which appeared to follow straight lines over large distances. The idea is that the megalithic peoples somehow tapped into sacred paths of earth power and erected stone circles etc to mark and, perhaps, focus them. More recent features, such as churches, were placed by Christians on ancient holy sites to dominate and hijack said power. Certainly, dowsers claim that they can identify some kind of "earth energy" flowing along the lines.

I believe Watkins coined the term "leys" to describe the "long straight tracks" he had (re)discovered, but the concept is quite similar to the fung shui "dragon paths" of China. Interestingly, a disproportionate number of the churches found on prominent leys are dedicated to dragon slaying saints, especially St. Michael and, of course, St. George.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 08:29 PM
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56. Wow, that's pretty interesting...
think I'll do a little research on Alfred Watkins. I often feel the energies of places I have been - some positive, some negative, some neutral. Some places make my hair stand on end.

Maybe this could explain some things I never thought were explainable. Thanks for the info! :)
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 09:25 PM
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60. I agree - on to find out about Alfred and dragon paths in China also
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The White Rose Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 02:05 AM
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70. You're both welcome.
Back issues of Fortean Times magazine can be good sources on this subject and check out work by author/researcher Jenny Randles ("Mind Monsters") too. Cheers.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:10 PM
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38. where's DelRay ?
There are certain areas that get lots of UFOs at times...Gulf Breeze used to be one, maybe still is for all I know. Some friends went UFO hunting there about a decade ago. I'm a bit shaky on my geography though so I'm not sure where DelRay is in relation to Gulf Breeze.

Unfortunately, after having observed the effects they have had on friends, I don't think they are especially benign nor am I impressed that their concern is in our best interests.

YMMV.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 09:28 PM
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61. Delray Beach is halfway between West Palm and Fort Lauderdale...
about one hour north of Miami.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:19 PM
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40. The Martians are getting nervous.

They've haven't been able to squish all our recent probes, and since Bush said he was going to Mars, many are afraid he's going to install a puppet government from South Florida.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:26 PM
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43. I was once abducted
I was once abducted by small Grey aliens who walked through my wall and paralyzed me with a strange instrument and then brought me back to their mother ship which was dark, strange and noisy in which they performed unnecessary surgery on me and forced me to have sex with aliens and other abductees. We were 135,000 feet above New Paltz NY at the time.

I now have a hybrid son living on Zeta Reticulum who will return to earth as the Messiah just as soon Christ's Kingdom has been built on earth by Halliburton and Bechtel.

I'm fine these days. My favorite color is red and I have a cat named Jack.

:hippie:

Of course, I'm just joking. But ufo stories and Ufo "folklore" just really fascinates me. It exists on the same level of the collective culture as the old-world folklore of faeries and sprites did (who were every bit as enchanting and fearful as our own ufo lore).

Actually, I've had two ufo sightings in my life also. I figure that, apart from classified experimental aircraft and the usual mundane tricks of the eye, there is still enough evidence to suggest a phenomenon's going on for which we have no conventional explanation.

To me, "spaceships" is a really 1950's meme. I think we're witnessing an as yet entirely undiscovered aspect of Nature.

:hi:
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The White Rose Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:39 PM
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45. We think alike. See my post above.
:-)
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Papa Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:26 PM
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44. I saw a UFO in the early 70's. My mom and brother witnessed it also
It was night time and we were in a shopping center parking lot. One of us noticed a bright star. We starting looking up at it wondering what it was when it zipped across the sky from one point to another, in like a split second. No plane or man made craft could have moved that fast. It did that a couple more times, just zipping from one point to another. We were just amazed, and then it shot straight up at like warp speed and disappeared.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 08:11 PM
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54. good sighting =)
anomalous movements are always fun.
draws a dead silence from the ostrich nay-sayers..
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:17 PM
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48. Aren't you one of the 9-11 conspiracy peddlers?
If so...This post explains a LOT.

LOL!
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:57 PM
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50. You mean the conspiracy of 19 hijackers,
none of whom had ever piloted a real 757 or 767, but who got enough training in Cessnas and simulators to pull off the 9/11 attacks. That conspiracy?
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:06 PM
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51. Pick your Kookiness...There's a LOT out there.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 08:52 PM
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57. Collapsing World lines
The multi-verse is collapsing from the dense center, if you can call it that, outward. In all directions at once.
As we all know there are many worlds.
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/ManyWorlds.html
"at every occasion where a quantum event has more than one outcome (e.g., when an electron may strike one atom or another), the universe splits. We have one universe where the electron hits atom A, another where it hits atom B, and so on for all of the possible outcomes"
What people don't know is that the multi-verse is collapsing. As the collapse progresses, more and more phenomena ( incursions into from other dimensions) occur. The estimate date for our world-line to collapse into the others is, December 21st, 2012 A.D.
Check out some Robert Anton Wilson or Terrence McKenna.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 08:59 PM
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58. Geez, DUers...these are just an unknown form of plasma....not uncommon
Just google "hessdalen" and you can see lots of pics of them. Hessdalen is a place in Norway where these things appear on a semi-regular basis. We used to see them out in West Texas, too.

It is just a unknown form of plasma bodies that are somehow created by an interaction between the earth, the atmosphere and the radiation from the sun.

An Italiam scientist did a pretty good write up of a study done on Hessdalen. THey are still studying Hessdalen, too.


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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 09:10 PM
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59. Here are some pics of the plasma bodies at hessdalen
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:52 AM
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65. that would be Massimo Teodorani, Ph.D
And here are more quotes from him. same interview concerning the very work of which u speak..

"But we saw also in two or three cases compact (solid) objects. One appeared suddenly when we were taking a photograph of each other on top of a mountain. It was a remembering photo and when the flash was activated, the object appeared. But it was not a plasma object because I analyzed it. It was just a polished surface, very clear"

"Last year we also saw a triangle in the sky"

A triangle?

"Yes, you can get information on this by reading my EMBLA 2000 report indicated in the bibliographic reference of the last EMBLA 2001 study. Last year we saw the triangle, but we couldn't document it because that day we didn't have a videocamera with us. It was impossible to follow it with a normal reflex camera. But it was just a triangle with three lights on the vertices. The lights were fixed, not blinking, and it was coming from north towards us and it did stop exactly over us. There were five of us and when it was over us it started to make a rotation around its axis while it was standing still. And after some seconds, about 15 seconds, the lights faded very gradually and the triangle disappeared over our heads"

"It was practically impossible to understand. It was very big and I can only say that the size was about 10 times the moon. Probably more. I could see with my binocular that there was a dark surface very well. But differently from the Belgium cases. There was no blinking center light. There were only three lights fixed and then afterward fading gradually and disappearing"

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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 09:30 PM
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62. I Believe You
I've talked to airline pilots, with thousands of hours of flight time, who said saw things that are NOT of human design. Everything on this planet is stardust. And our concept of physics is always changing and quite plastic. Who's to say "warp drive", etc isn't possible? Once they thought heavier than air craft would never fly. Then is was the sound barrier. Etc, etc
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 01:02 AM
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66. I couldn't really answer this until now.
I live on the other coast from you on the Pacific Ocean near Vandenberg Air Base, about twenty five miles north of there. A few years back a couple my husband and I knew came to visit us from down south. On their way home they decided to stop at a beachside campground overnight around Vandenberg.

At sunset the wife, saw a UFO just as you described and took a picture. It showed up as a little black spot on the picture. She doesn't know anything about photoshopping so the picture wasn't tampered with. She was very disappointed that the object she photographed wasn't what she saw.

Okay, fast forward. There are all kinds of things happening at Vandenberg. Often there is an earthquake like shake and then contrails in the sky so that you know they are experimenting with something, but they don't seem to tell you about everything. But there are times that strange things happen, like I was working in my garden on Saturday and I swear I heard distant artillery fire.

I told my husband and he said maybe it was dynamiting for construction. I grew up in a mine and I know what dynamite sounds like and it doesn't repeat like artillery. So there is some strange shit going on and I think it's with our military and god knows what that monkey it the White House is being ordered to do.

Are you near any military installations???
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 02:15 AM
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71. I believe you, too, truth
I know because I saw one and there are many elements of what I saw or experienced on this thread. In fact, as I was reading, I just had to stop and write this post because BritDem's statement:

The oddest thing about the experience was that I was completeley calm throughout; it didn't even seem unusual except in retrospect. The overall feeling was of vague interest, kind of "oh look, a UFO" rather than "OH MY GOD!"

mirrored my own feelings, almost exactly.

In my case, it was 1966 and I was driving back from swimming at a quarry with my brother's girlfriend, Pam. The two of us had gone for a long, relaxing swim on a summer day. I will never forget how she was driving her parent's new Pontiac Bonneville and I had my head close to the right window, looking out, and I saw something very similar to what Octafish posted above, in post 21. The only difference is that the UFO I saw was a little less "hatlike" and was wider at the "brim." Like what mopaul's mother saw, it was the size of a football field. I remember thinking how enormous this thing was. It had lights. They were pinkish in color and were around the "brim." It hovered silently as we drove along and after awhile, Pam asked, "What are you looking at?" and I responded, "Oh,this UFO outsde the window." Now, here's the odd thing about her response. She didn't think it strange, she didn't think it funny; she just believed it and she glanced up enough to see what it was and then abruptly pulled to the side of the road and jumped out of the car to look more carefully. I got out of the car, too. What I think is interesting is that her response wasn't one of panic or even that this was unusual. Her "mood" was very similar to mine--just a detached curiosity about it.

As soon as we got out, however, the UFO shot off at such a high speed that it almost appeared to descend into the ground.

It was an amazing experience and I will never forget it.


Cher

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MasterKey Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:12 AM
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72. Ya, me too, I saw Homer Simpson in the Clouds tonight
Edited on Mon Mar-15-04 04:13 AM by MasterKey
Im not kidding either. I was driving home on Rt 47, not much traffic, listening to the radio, 'eye in the sky' by Alan Parson was playing at the time. When all of a sudden I heard this loud, bone penetrating Dooooooooh~

And when I looked around I saw nonthing; but then I heard it again. Doooooh~

And I was so scared I stopped my car and got out of it; It was then that I looked up and in the clouds saw Homer Simpson, in full living color. I only wish I had a camera to capture this event which I knew no one would beleive. You think maybe Homer is watching us, because of Dubya and all...? (said like Cletus from the Simpsons)

dooooooooooh~

MasterKey-- :)
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 04:28 AM
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73. Join the club.
When I was a child of about three or four, I saw one. It was broad daylight in my backyard. It was large, circular, black, didn't make a sound, and hovered directly over me before taking off over the horizon at an insane speed. It scared the BEJESUS out of me, but also opened my mind at an early age to extreme possibilities.

It's an unfortunate stereotype that only crazy people and backwood hicks see these things, because it's simply not true. For what it's worth, I believe you, but having admitted to being a witness, it automatically means squat, because I'm as insane as you are.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:04 PM
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77. In 1995 I saw what can only be described as a giant, flying
salad shooter. It swooped into my neighbor's cornfiled and cut two precise crop circles.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 12:32 PM
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79. I've seen them twice
Once in Alaska and once in California. I don't like to talk about it though, so don't ask me. I will say this. They look like "living" machines. There is no way it's us. I just hope they're not Republicans.
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