Why do white males need their own party?

[sandnsea]

It's reported 1 in 5 males are Republican. The Democratic Party is women, minorities, gays, and anybody else marginalized. Women can probably be differentiated between those who depend on white males for security, brothers, fathers, husbands and those women are Republican; and Democratic women who tend to be single without that male dependence for security and naturally turn to the government, rape laws, gun control, sexual harrassment, equal pay, etc.

Doesn't this split just prove everything that's been said about white supremacy for generations? Is this a valid campaign issue, or does it just create more divisiveness?

I know many white males think the rules of the game are being set against them and that women and minorities are getting extra advantages. The Republican party is really playing to that. If we could just get white males to understand the ways that they have had advantages over the years, could it help break this dangerous trend and maybe even move the country forward? I'm really more interested in the concept of white males needing their own party as proof of their thinking they are superior, but I know the way it's been played out in recent years and thought it was worth commenting on as well.

Thoughts?

On edit:

4 in 5 males are Republican, I'm sorry.

[SyracuseDemocrat]

1. If 1 in 5 males

are Republican, what are the other 4? Do you mean 4 out of 5, or 3 out of 5, perhaps?

[dsc]

2. There is no way only 1 in 5 males are Republican

That would make around 2 in 5 females Republican to make the 30% Republican membership which routinely shows up in polls. That is simply unbelievable.

[izzie]

5. I just guess white Rep do not like women, blacks, browns, reds,

Yellows, and are their any other color I have missed. White has always been a dull color to paint with. It washers every thing out. If you wish nice colors in a painting you mix them all. You always put red in the dark shared under a green tree. Makes the painting interesting. I guess like life.

[Sirius_on]

3. For white males

The number of White male Republicans is around 67%.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. Hell read DU...seems to me white males want a lock on both

parties lately.

[KG]

11. you got that right, girlfriend!

[sandnsea]

6. The Republican party isn't the party of white males

Okay, guess reading all of the posts in that regard was just a delusion on my part.

[MaverickX]

7. someone needs to protect us from black oppression..

Blacks control everything and I'm sick of black cops shooting unarmed rich kids in the back. Next thing you know they'll take our women too.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Hahahahahahahaha

thanks for the sarcasm..it was well received :D

[JohnKleeb]

8. 4 out of 5 males are republican

damn. I am a minority now do change my religion to southern bapitist, and change my name from Kleeb to King, and have only british ancestry. Then lol I would be a genunine WASP. I am not a WASP though lol: Catholic and no Anglo in me. LOL.

[whoYaCallinAlib]

9. Think about it, the "average" white male LOVES guns and John Wayne,

HATES affirmative action, and CAN'T STAND gays . . . all qualities exspoused by the republican party.

[JohnKleeb]

12. it aint me it aint me at all

I dont like guns, John Wayne? nah I like Bobby Deniro, AA is ok in my book, and gays if they wanna marry more power to them. Then again I say I aint your typical white boy at times, and in a way its true but in some ways it isnt. I dont consider myself one though.

[stanwyck]

24. Many are afraid of women

they're not supporters of women in the workplace, women having political clout (they HATE Hillary) and women having control over their own bodies. Fortunately, I know LOTS of liberal men. Bless them. They're the best.

[CosmicVortex10]

26. Wow, thats a way to pre-judge an entire race and sex

Amazing the bigotry inherent in statements like yours.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I Read That

22% of white males are Democrats but that doesn't mean 78% are Pukes. Some of those 78% are independents but it's still lopsided.

[JVS]

42. I'd Imagine that a good number are not politically active

Just like many other groups

[Yupster]

14. I don't think the way to win them back is to

make hem understand that their forefathers used to have big advantages.

So what? So they should have disadvantages today to make up for it? Doesn't sound like a way to win people over to me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I'll Take The Arrows

Maybe our party needs a little hair on it's chest.

Alot of Americans see Dems as effete.... Not good....

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[Droopy]

18. Hold on a second there

Did you see the post earlier about 22% of Dems being white male? I know not 'all white males' are racist. Yeah some are but not all. I'm a white male. I'm not racist, sexist or homophobic. I think one of the best things that could happen to this country is that we turn all politics over to females only for, say twelve years. That's right, make it illegal for men to run for office for twelve years. After all it's been male dominated since the beginning and look at the mess we're in. Do I sound like somebody who doesn't care about minorities?

[Redleg]

23. That's a load of bullcrap.

Where do you get off with that sorry stereotype?

[CosmicVortex10]

25. How to dilute the meaning of the term "racist"

Most people that use the term "racist" couldnt even define it if asked.

1. Racism is the belief that one race is genetically superior and deserves to rule (note the ism part on the end of the word)

2. Prejudice - to pre judge. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.

3. Bigotry - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ

Next time you hear the word racist, see if its correctly used or should some other word be applied. That said, their is very little racism left in the US, but tons of bigotry and prejudice.

[sandnsea]

29. Racism - white Republican males who want their own damn party

Because they think they are superior and deserve to rule. Jesus, that's the whole point of my post. Obviously they think that or they wouldn't all be leaving the party of minorities, women and gays.

I don't even understand how there is a debate on this issue, it's so freaking obvious.

[Redleg]

32. There is plenty of racism in the U.S.

Racism is also defined as acting in a derogatory way toward people of another race because one holds negative stereotypes about that race.

[oneighty]

17. The WASPS

are in decline. Inspite of their present day contortions they are losing control of the world. No matter what us white guys are gonna lose. Somehow I take comfort in their discomfort. It does not bother me, skin color or religion or sex life.

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[JohnKleeb]

27. white anglo saxon protestants?

I am so glad I am not that, I like having a little bit of mixed in my heritage, I am also Catholic and I have no Anglo in my blood. Not that it matters really I prefer being mixed Eastern and Western European to just being West.

[sandnsea]

19. Hello to white male DUers

Can you not separate yourselves from the kind of white males I'm talking about here???? Do you not see yourselves as a little more enlightened than somebody who thinks gays are heathens and women are babymakers? Do you not see you are the GOOD GUYS?????

Can you help differentiate that fact instead of freaking out every time somebody points out that there are still some race and discrimination problems around? Can you help us non-white males to keep from becoming marginalized?? That's what they're doing and after they're done with us, they'll come after you. Like Ann Coulter said, kill a few liberals so they'll know we're serious. Are you just going to try and pass?

[Droopy]

20. I know who you were talking about in your thread

I was responding to somebody who said all white males are racist power mongers. I don't think a blanket statement like that can go unchecked.

I know what's at stake here in the next election and I get the message.

[Terwilliger]

21. some good guys

are not good at all

[Redleg]

22. Yeah but I don't need to offer my profession of faith to you or anyone

here at DU. I don't need to state I am not a racist just because I am a white male. I don't need to state I am not a sexist because I am a white male.

[acerbic]

28. Question:

If you mean to speak against racists and not against ALL white men, why are you not talking about racists instead of just "white men"?

[sandnsea]

30. See post #25

REPUBLICAN WHITE MALES. They're the ones who think they're not represented in the Democratic Party. Why? Because the Democratic Party represents women, minorities, gays and any other marginalized group I may have missed. I don't see how it could be any more obvious.

[alaine]

36. "Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, I, I, I"

I know how you feel Sandnsea.

What is even more sickening of late is the rush to the front of the line of non-white, non-males who've figured out the pukes need them to tack on the appearance of diversity to the republicaryan party.

I wonder if it is some long-simmering guilt wafting around in the sub-conscious of this demographic... Man, we REALLY have to keep it together now, because the white race is slowly but surely disappearing thanks to interbreeding (this is true, scientists have said recently that in the not too distant future, naturally blond hair will be almost unheard of ), so we'd better keep it together now or when they finally do get the control away from us they will KICK OUR ASSES TO KINGDOM COME. I think it's the things nightmares are made of for them.

[Spirochete]

40. Well, from posts like yours..

Maybe some of them think they're not welcome in the Democratic party, hearing themselves stereotyped as undoubtedly being racists and woman-haters, etc. I'm a white male, and I resent this whole fucking thread. I'm not a racist, or a Republican, or anything else that starts with an r.

[workersunite]

31. The Democrats have no interest in white males n/t

[Redleg]

33. Excuse me?

Are you serious? I am a Democrat and a white male.

[enki23]

46. which explains why they overwhelmingly elect...

white males to public office.

[SyracuseDemocrat]

34. Link?

I'd like to see the data.

[xequals]

35. I think that figure may be deceptive

1 in 5 white males are Democrats. Does this mean 1 in 5 of ALL white males, including non-voting white males ?

If we are talking about ALL white males, and something like 50% of all eligible voters don't vote, then 2.5 in 5 white males are NON VOTERS.

That would mean that only 2.5 in 5 white males vote, and of those 2.5, 1 is a Dem and 1.5 is a Republican.

This makes more sense, since about 40% (1 / 2.5) white male voters are Dem and about 60% (1.5 / 2.5) of all white males voters are Republicans.

[sandnsea]

43. Here's one link - 85% of Southern white males voted Republican

I actually heard the figure I originally posted on Matthews today so I can't get a transcript yet.

But here's a snip that is along the lines of what I'm talking about. 85% of white males in the South voted Republican. That ought to be enough to prove my point which actually wasn't to make all white males out to be a bunch of racists. I actually think their male egos are simply being manipulated, probably by a female Republican strategist somewhere!

http://home.ddc.net/ygg/ms/ms-19.htm

And I don't happen to think Southern white males are unique to the rest of the nation and this article was written in 1994 and things have gotten even worse since then. I suspect that 4 in 5 figure is correct and reflects not only voters but nonvoters as well.

I wanted to post something to verify my figures, I think I'm now going to just let this thread die a quiet death. I had no idea people wouldn't be able to put the obvious marginalization of those in the Democratic Party above their own petty insecurities.

[acerbic]

45. Straight from "Namecalling Techniques For Preschoolers"...

If we could just get white males to understand the ways that they have had advantages over the years, could it help break this dangerous trend and maybe even move the country forward? I'm really more interested in the concept of white males needing their own party as proof of their thinking they are superior, but I know the way it's been played out in recent years and thought it was worth commenting on as well.

"white males... white males... white males..." and when anyone objects to your generalizations, you go "I had no idea people wouldn't be able to put the obvious marginalization of those in the Democratic Party above their own petty insecurities"

"You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! What, you don't like being called doodiehead? Ha-ha, gotcha: you're insecure!"

Oh :puke:

[sandnsea]

47. Are you denying it?

It's not true? White males aren't flocking to the Republican party?

I don't understand, I really don't. If you're a white male and you don't think you're at a disadvantage because of minorities and women, then what's the problem? Why so defensive?

[acerbic]

48. ...and you just can't stop it

f you're a white male and you don't think you're at a disadvantage because of minorities and women, then what's the problem? Why so defensive?

"You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! You're a doodiehead! A-ha! If you're not a doodiehead, why are you "defensive" and don't like being called doodiehead? Gotcha, nyah nyah!"

Oh :puke:

[sandnsea]

49. Why can't you answer the question?

I don't understand it. I'm a 45 year old white woman who has never been harmed in any way by white males. I've never not gotten a job, been chased around a desk, raped, sexually harrassed, none of it. I have no personal axe to grind with men. I LIKE men, a really really lot.

This is just an observation based on what I've heard white men say. They've said these things to me. They feel everybody has rights except them. They're feeling threatened. Are you denying this?

I just don't understand. I'm a person who sees no point in playing games and pretending things are any different than what they are. I've lived my whole life hearing racial jokes and racist remarks. It happens, why do white people pretend it doesn't. Admit it, get it out in the open and talk about it.

All I'm saying is that this run to the Republican party means something. Whatever natural fears and anxieties white men have are being manipulated by the Republicans. Let's just haul it all out in the open so we can make some progress here. And if it turns out there's still a sense of white male superiority creating a mass defection to the Republican Party, then so be it. Grow and move on.

[acerbic]

51. Here's an answer for you:

This is just an observation based on what I've heard white men say. They've said these things to me. They feel everybody has rights except them. They're feeling threatened. Are you denying this?
Whatever natural fears and anxieties white men have are being manipulated by the Republicans.

Damn straight I'm denying that "white men" as in ALL white men "feel threatened" or have "fears and anxieties" but somehow I doubt that it'll slow down your generalizing psychobabble... or your habit of going on about "white men, white men, white men" and only when called on it you throw in a few disclaimers "but I'm not talking about all white men, just those republicans" and 5 minutes later it's again just "white men, white men, white men"...

[jonnyblitz]

50. you are avoiding the question

the truth is sometimes painful, yes.

[acerbic]

52. What "question"?

I'm denying that all white men are racist republicans and get "questions" like "do you deny that some white men are racist republicans?"

What is supposed to be the connection and "point" of the question other than to try to obfuscate, claim and insinuate something other than what I actually am saying?

[Sweetpea]

37. I was in another thread and someone said that there are members

of the DU who are AA and don't blab about it. I didn't know if it was a dig because I had said I was AA but I see many saying they are white or talking about white male republicans here.
I started the African American crisis thread.

[waggawagga]

38. Vote Dem or You're a White Supremacist

Democrats have to be careful with this kind of rhetoric because it's just insulting (and I think this explains why the GOP has made some inroads).

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

39. Right - 80% of white males are republican

Bullshit

[JVS]

41. 4/5?

Do you have a source?

[Shanty Oilish]

44. Elephant, donkey...stag.

Seems to me white males are running the show on the Dem side too. And if they are, women and minorities are not getting "extra advantages."

[Hubert Flottz]

53. Ok should I go on down and change my voter registration now?

I'm a white Anglo American male with a touch of American Indian blood! I reside in the sunny south and I like guns, John Wayne, beautiful ladies, hotdogs, flags and apple pie! I have never voted for a republican in my entire 30+ years of exercising my right to vote, and if I'm half fucking dead on election day, I still ALWAYS drag my tired ass out to do my duty and VOTE!

I never did like a bully telling me what I HAD to do, or lying to me about even the smallest detail! When I was called on to serve America I did not fail to show up and donate two years of my life, even though I had pimples all over my tired ass and had a hell of alot better things I would have liked to have done with my time! Raising my family is one of those things! I never saw my first kid until he was almost six months old, because I was working for YOU!

I have Never been as proud in my life of my black American neighbors as I was on election day in 2000, because of the HUGE black voter turnout here in my state! These people worked very hard to register and turn out the vote and they are due a lot of credit for the great effort!

To divide America by any means, is the battle plan of the wealthy, because that is the key to their power in this country and has been all the way back to Jamestown! The repubs love to see things like this thread because it reaffirms to them that their grand plan is working like clockwork! It's time to be Americans above ALL else and to take back our bleeding country!

There are MANY things in this country that I may not like, but their worth Pales in comparison, when Liberty, Freedom and Democracy are in peril as they are today, for EVERY American citizen! The Republicans are the wedge drivers and the wanna-bee slave drivers and they seek to enslave 99.99% of the world's people and to exploit them as THEY and ONLY THEY see fit!

A black neighbor of mine Calvin and I have been lifelong friends all the way back since we were in grade school! This man was drafted about the time I was and served in Viet Nam where he was wounded and sent to rot in a VA hospital! The year after he was sent back to the US, his younger brother was killed in Nam!

Calvin had the balls to get himself well and to get out of the VA hospital and after a while he found a job with a unionized parcel delivery company! The day after the election Calvin came to bring my medies like he does every month! I told Calvin I was extremly proud of the black voter turnout and we agreed it was the strongest we EVER saw!

I spoke again the following month with my friend about the outcome of election 2000, when he brought my meds! We talked for several minutes about the stolen election over my front fence, and we both stood in front of each other with tears streaming down our faces over what happened to America, unashamed of our tears!

I talked to Calvin just last week and we are still totally in agreement about what happened in Florida! The time when Bush threw the Veteran's ballots in the trash! My friend has still not MOVED ON and neither have I!