Faux analyst: If there's an al Qaeda attack on US, Bush WILL win election.

[Lori Price CLG]

His reasoning hinged on the notion that Bush is a lot 'tougher' in the 'war on terror' than John Kerry. To me, Bush IS the terrorist, so it's the war on him that we should be fighting... Anyway, I can envision the scenario wherein Karl Rove involves al CIAduh for the next attack, as the November 'election' approaches.

:)-Lori Price

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. I think you'll see what happened in Spain today

happen here if there is another terrorist attack before the election. Either way Bu$h & Co can't win. Especially, since Spain didn't even think about canceling their election. An attack here won't be enough of an excuse to cancel US elections, either.

[TruthIsAll]

56. So Faux must be hoping Bush gets his 9/11 Redux...

They want him reelected, don't they?

[Jacobin]

2. Bush is toast either way

[lectrobyte]

10. Maybe, but consider this scenario...

A September Surprise terrorist attack, and then an October Surprise capture of Osama. Given BBV, the Bush $200M ad campaign, etc., I have trouble feeling confident enough to pronounce him "toast"...

[Jacobin]

28. I'm sure we are in for a Grand Show by the Administration

They are appearing more and more staged to even those who don't pay attention.

Your scenario does sound impressive. I'm hoping that something like this would be just a little over the top for people to believe is actually happening without manipulation by Smirk.

Time will tell.

[number6]

3. did you say Faux Anal cyst ?

what a bunch of bull

[Capn Sunshine]

4. How does THAT logic work?

If there's an Al Qaeda attack on the US,
BUSH FAILED TO PROTECT US.
JUST LIKE HE FAILED TO PROTECT US ON 9-11.

This means he's the WORST choice to be tough on terror.

[Windy]

12. That will cinch his defeat!

The "mob" claim that we are far safer with Saddam gone and that they are putting the "squeeze" on Al Queda. According to them, they have successfully thwarted attacks. I would bet that you can count on the fact that we will be the victims of another attack before the election. Bin Laden stated in his last message that Spain was a target for their assistance of bush in invading Muslim sacred ground. I am really concerned about something happening on the anniversary of the Iraq invasion this week.

There is no security on the ground here. Anyone can walk into any mall in this country and blow themselves up. I live in Michigan and it is common knowledge that boat loads of people go across the us/Canadian border unchecked via the Detroit river, lake st. Clair and lake Huron. Just think of the damage they could do to commerce here with one bomb in a mall.

The outcry will be and should be....why did we spend billions of dollars and precious lives in Iraq and not go after the real imminent threat to our way of life here. If you think that for one minute the islamist will let bush come up to election day unscathed, your wrong.

Just for grins, look at this site http://www.itshappening.com
Join the forum and look at the AlNeda forum that is for members only. You can also look at http://www.homelandsecurityus.com and http://www.homelandsecurityus.net They are websites run by hackers and analysts who get into Islamic sites and translate their contents. If you think the terrorists are afraid of the US and have backed down, I think you will be surprised at some of the things you read there. Taking all with a grain of salt. But it is very interesting and eyeopening.

I hope another attack doesn't happen. but I fear that is wishful thinking. This administration has only window-dressed the issue. They used the attacks to foster their neo-con agenda and not to protect the citizens of this country... just my humble opinion

[grasswire]

13. welcome to DU, Windy

What took you so long to get here? We need help!

[Windy]

15. Thanks for the Welcome!

I've been "lurking" for awhile, but just started posting. Its nice to have banter with other intelligent people! Seems there are few in my circle here in Metro Detroit!

[Ladyhawk]

19. Some Americans just don't see it that way.

They're locked into thinking that Bush is the only one who will be "tough on terror." I see it in my family and most of the people who live in this inbred little county.

[Lori Price CLG]

24. Right, Bush can't be tough on terror when he IS the terrorist.

But, you never can tell how the Reichwing will spin the events.
-Lori

[baldguy]

5. Americans are stupid, but they're not crazy.

Bush has built his entire presidency around PROTECTING America and PREVENTING another attack.

If they strike again, there won't be a hole deep enough for him to hide in.

[burythehatchet]

6. Well Lori, I just had this same debate with an old friend

The central point upon which this debate hinges, is the one that we all know, but don't consider sufficiently. That is that Al Queda and the bush administration and allies have the same objectives. Events dictate whether they both gain or they both lose. They both want a worldwide religious war. They may different means but they are both interested in leading us in the same direction.

[gristy]

11. No, I do not believe the bushiskas want a "worldwide religious war."

At worst, they only want to control certain parts of the world - those with oil. And those they think the can control. I mean, they won't be going after China or Russia anytime soon. They have no desire for what you suggest. Where's the profit in that?

[burythehatchet]

16. Ahhh the profit angle!!!!!!

The people who keep his hold on power - the brownshirts led by the likes of Tom DeLay - also referred to as "the Base" (english for Al Queda) - are the enforcement arm of the Christian Ayatollahs Robertson, Falwell, LeHaye, et al. Their policies are shaped by their preparations for the fucking armageddon.

[Lori Price CLG]

27. Yes, you are right, and...

It's odd: the Reichwing media 'talks about' the money that John Kerry and John Edwards has, and where it 'comes' from. How about the money that Carlyle Group 'former' business partner Osama bin Laden has/had, and its origin? Colin Powell gave the Taliban $43 million (approximately) in May of 2001. Where *did* the money go?

-Lori

[burythehatchet]

33. Its only amazing until it becomes commonplace

whatever talkin point comes out against the progressive position, just use that as a cue to what the republicans are guilty of.

Your example is perfect. No talk of the House of Bush and Saud.

Another one is that Kerry flip-flops. That's a funny one.

[annagull]

7. Geez, they really do believe their own propaganda, huh?

If we get hit by terrorists again, Bush* will be the only one to blame. They were able to get by on the 'gee, we just got here' excuse on 9-11, but if it happens again Chimpy will pack up his toys and go back to Crawford in disgrace.

[uhhuh]

8. A Faux Analyst

Would say that that if Bush went on a 12 state killing spree and was found dining on his victims, he will have shown decisive leadership, and the the victims were all terrorists.
They will justify ANYTHING he says or does, no matter what.

[Sliverofhope]

9. That would mean

Bush has 0 legitimate interest in preventing the next terrorist attack. Let there be meme.

[Poiuyt]

14. I think I agree with the analyst

It certainly doesn't mean that I would vote for bush, but I could see a scenario where the American people would rally around the president if there was another terrorist attack. I think that Kerry would have a big uphill battle to show the public that he would be better at homeland defence.

[burythehatchet]

18. look across the ocean at Spain

and think again

[Ladyhawk]

20. Would it be unpopular to say that Americans aren't as bright as Spaniards?

[burythehatchet]

21. Yes it would be unpopular

BUT...the real dynamic that I think is at work here is the revolution in how fast information is shared around the planet, AMONG COMMON PEOPLE. The turnout in Spain was huge. Mostly kids represented the increased participation. Why? because they're more likely to be on-line.

What was one of things that Howard Dean brought to the party? kids. Motivated kids. Who felt the power to change things. This is a seed that grows over time.

I know I'm not making the best sense. But its important, believe me.

[Ladyhawk]

37. Maybe I'm surrounded by the wrong people, but the Americans I know...

...will never "get" it. I really don't have a lot of faith in the populace of this country. I think the stereotype of the "ugly American" rings true for a huge segment of the population.

If Americans boot * out in November despite any tricks, then I'll believe they have finally caught on.

[burythehatchet]

40. Count on that result in Nov.

The outcome is guaranteed. How much blood is shed to get there is the question.

The people will fight for their interests when the majority is repressed. It takes time though.

[Ladyhawk]

44. God, I hope you're right.

I will be...distraught...if the outcome is unfavorable.

[Lori Price CLG]

35. Spain election results - great! But, they don't have Faux media whores...

controlling the airwaves. That is the principle difference. We are subjected daily to Weapons of Mass Distraction - human interest stories -- kidnappings and cult murders. How about the murders by Bush, directly caused by HMOs and predatory capitalism? We don't hear about that, though do we?

-Lori

[burythehatchet]

38. Human beings, because of their natural defense mechanisms

are able to find solutions if they exist. What we will find out soon enough is that the fascist media will lose its influence.

[Poiuyt]

47. There's a difference here

America was for the most part behind bush when he started the war whereas the Spanish people were not. Bush had about a 70% approval rating (don't quote me) when he invaded but 90% of Spain was aginst it.

[Disturbed]

22. Another Attack

Bushco would probably declare Martial Law and postpone elections. The American people would probably rally 'round Bushco for a few months but then the Dems would call for elections and blame Bushco for allowing the Attack. This could turn things around 180 degrees.

Damn, I sure am getting nervous about the next few months.

[burythehatchet]

25. There's good reason to be nervous

The attack in Spain was not sufficient to put Asnar's party back in power. Will it take a bigger event in the US?

[uhhuh]

23. Why

If he's running against someone with a zero in homeland defense, and a record of budget cutting for first responders and for securing our ports and other points of entry, how could his record be any worse?

How about his brilliant strategy of sending all our national guard units to a combat zone half way around the world, instead of shoring up defenses here? Or his brilliant decision to ignore the Clinton administration's tireless work of the threat of terrorism? How about his stonewalling and delaying investigations on the last attack? Or his tax cuts, creating huge budget shortfalls that could be going to shore up defenses and increase intelligence budgets?

Maybe his stellar record of homeland protection from terrorists could be found in his unwavering support of terrorist- harboring nations, like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Could that be pointed to as his great leadership and experience in the so called war on terror?

How about the name calling and suspicion of other countries around the world that may have resources that could be used to stop terrorist actions?
I'm sure that bugging the U.N Security council makes them feel all warm and fuzzy about the prospects of assisting us in stopping this threat.
Of course, he has managed to gather allies in this fight, like Uzbekistan. Who wouldn't want that kind of help?

Alternately pissing off and ignoring North Korea does wonders for our security, I'm sure.
The people of South Korea just impeached their president partly over this Iraq adventure, and The Japanese want all American troops out of Japan.
Aznar just got spanked. Tony Blair is holding on by a thread. This is all more fallout from the chimp's "decisive leadership."

The chinese are starting to play econonmic games, and Venezuela, with the huge oil reserves we currently need, has, with good reason after a U.S. sponsored coup attempt, an openly hostile government towards the U.S.

While this is going on, we are diverting resources and manpower to assisting in another coup in Haiti, which is starting more and more to stink to high heaven.

It looks like the chimp record is about -4924982448 to Kerry's 0, at this point. I like the odds.

[Postman]

17. can you say "Operation Northwoods"?

n/t

[Robin Hood]

26. That is some skewed thinking.

The attacks in Spain is further proof that bush has done a poor job of combating terrorism. By going after Iraq he has made us much more vulnerable to terrorism by not focusing on Al Qaeda.

[w4rma]

29. Heh, maybe if they nuke San Francisco to kill enough liberals to give *

the election by giving smirk California.

[mrdmk]

30. One has better odds of getting killed crossing the street

than being offed by a terrorist!

Maybe that is the reason for bigger cars, less damage to the car and more damage to the person.

[Pale Blue Dot]

31. As an aside,

Does anyone else think it is irresponsible of Faux to even discuss this?

[kalian]

32. What else did you expect from the official mouthpiece of...

the ruling elite?
Seriously, what are they going to say: that he would lose?
They should take a clue of what just happened in Spain...the
socialists stomped on the right-wingers...

[Lori Price CLG]

42. Yes, it is irresponsible of Faux...

But then again, I've always felt a few well-aimed pebbles hurled from the street at some of Faux's satellite x-mission dishes works wonders for Democracy!

LOL, just kidding, Carnivore... not really advocating that... :)
-Lori Price

[rocktivity]

45. "Bring It On" Redux!

I think it's absolutely GHOULISH for Fox to be discussing this! Does this guy WANT another attack so Bush can win? Is this some kind of threat? Is this next meme?

:headbang:
rocknation

[jokerman93]

34. This isn't an analysis

This isn't an analysis it's the first set of new instructions for the audience on how to react.

[ithacan]

36. and that's EXACTLY what al Qaeda would want!!

they NEED Bush to be in power.

It would be a disaster for them if the US had a president who had a rational, intelligent and skilled foreign policy.

Bush has been a GODSEND for Al Qaeda:

he's turned the entire world against the US

he's squandered not only US goodwill, but US military power in a needless war in Iraq

he's fed Al Qaeda with recruits from all over the world because of his stupid attack on Iraq.

Bush and Al Qaeda need each other; they are co-dependent.

The best way to deprive Al Qaeda of what they want and need is to BOOT OUT THE BUSH BASTARDS IN NOVEMBER!!

[Junkdrawer]

39. "Bush and Al Qaeda need each other; they are co-dependent"...

Reason enough for Bush to let Al Qaeda live. Wasn't it just the other day that we learned that Bush refused to go after an Al Qaeda leader THREE times when he had the chance.

[kodi]

41. same logic as "hit me again, it feels good when you stop"

in such a scenario, one begs the question that if bush is so tough on terrorism, how come another attack occurred?

[ulysses]

57. right.

After all the swaggering rhetoric, all the money, and all the flag-draped caskets coming home in the dead of night, if there's another attack, Bush is going to have his head handed to him on a plate.

[Disturbed]

43. Osama

Bushco probably sent AQ money and a thank you note.
If not for 911 Bushco would have zero chance of holding on to power.
AQ and Bushco are partners in crime as far as I can see.

[LoneStarLiberal]

46. I Think It Could Cut Either Way

I think this could just as likely (no pun intended) blow up in the Bush administration's face. An attack shows that Bush isn't protecting the nation and that all the money spent on the Department of Homeland Security and all the liberties we've given up still aren't enough.

[leesa]

48. Actually, what happened in Spain is extremely encouraging

MIHOP won't work and it's one of the few tricks left in their bag.

[kskiska]

49. How many chances does * get? 1? 2? 3?…how many times

must we ba attacked for * to get the blame and be voted out? At what point does he stop being "good on terrorism?"

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

50. evil reinforcing evil, is what it sounds like

Al queda reinfocing an evil adminstration.

[mot78]

51. LIHOP II

:shrug:

[BabsSong]

52. Saturday night one of our posters hit it on the head

They pointed out that in Spain the reaction will be to turn against the government who brought this on by association with Bush's illegal war (this was before the vote and he was right on); BUT in the US of A, if we have an attack, we will run to support Bush. Of course, they won't turn against him and it will be labled un-American and evil to suggest he didn't do enough to protect us. Jesus, if they were going to turn against him, they would have screamed on 9/12 that his administraiton failed to protect us and they didn't. It's because we are a bunch of dumbasses who love to cry, light candles, wave the flag and UNITE BEHIND THE GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE US OF A ('cause the media tells us to do so). A country where who the hell is kicked out by Donnie Trump in a stupid tv show becomes national news, is not a country who can even remotely wake up to who's fucking it. This country deserves to rot.

[burythehatchet]

53. But Babs - how do you really feel?

[struggle4progress]

54. For a while, the RW chorus has been chanting ...

"He kept us safe so re-elect him." I guess they could switch to "He still hasn't kept us safe so re-elect him."

[KeepItReal]

55. Think Bush & Co. will dust off the Operation Northwoods playbook?

It is amazing what some "Americans" are capable of. People who think up stuff like this should be "brought to justice"...Texas style, IMHO.

"James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods.

Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba.

These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”"

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

[Nashyra]

58. I think that if we had another terror attack

that it would be the end of *. The Democrats could hit him hard and the Repugs could scream all they want about standing behind the resident in time of war and all the Kerry people have to say is we gave him a chance, we gave him a chance to catch Bin Laden and he went after Saddam instead, if he had kept his word Al Queda would not have spread like a cancer and we would have been far ahead in the War on Terror. Then they could say even if we catch bin laden it doesn't help because now Al Queda had spread. I do think this arguement would be stronger for Kerry if Clark were the VP nominee.

[Lori Price CLG]

59. Here is my take:

If the US is attacked again, the Republican spin machine would immediately spring into action, with this line of thinking, promoted via Faux, etc.: "We can debate how and why this happened in the future. But right now, while this country is under attack, we need to stand firm and stick together, and not show the enemy they have let the terrorists win, and make us change course."

That is exactly what the Reichwing would say, and would 'win.' Besides, they always could invoke 'Plan B' --Diebold. Meanwhile, Dictator Bush would then be given a free pass for the next four years of a tanked economy; abridgment/end of entitlement programs; and Patriot Acts I, II, and beyond.

It's a horrible thought, but all GOP wishes come true, under such a scenario.

-Lori