Fog of War & Religious Hysteria will keep Bush* in Gore's White House

[Q]

- First...allow me to be clear about the intent of this post: I hope with all my being that Democrats can take back the White House, congress and the senate. But I just don't see that happening in 2004. The deck is stacked against us and the dealer is a paid operative of the Bush* government. (The dealer in this case is the American media).

- Americans are being told (by the corporate media) that Democrats hate America and are 'weak' on the war on terrorism. It seems that at least half of America believes it. The problem is that the Democratic party simply has no way to counter the powerful propaganda and smear machine of the Bush* government. Unlike the Republicans...Democrats haven't spent the last several decades building a partisan media empire and installing zealots in the right places.

- While the media is busy 'Goring' Democrats and their candidates...they're even busier manufacturing consent and building Bush's* image into that of an 'honest, God-fearing, brave, decisive 'war president'. They downplay or simply refuse to report on Bush's* malfeasance and criminal acts...blaming the 'partisan' Left for even making them an issue.

- Optimistic Democrats don't seem to understand that the American media is on Commander CEO's* side and want him to remain president*. They will NOT abandon him now that the defense/energy gravy train is running at full speed and government is finally under the full control of corporations. The formula is simple: those who own the most gold make the rules. Those who own the most gold AND the media own the 'truth'. Like it or not...the truth is whatever the media says it is. Like everything else in New America...the truth can be bought.

- Bush* is going to ride the 'war on terrorism', fear and religious hysteria right back into the White House. There's literally nothing Democrats can do about it because they have become part of the problem with their direct or indirect support for many of his policies and their unwillingness to protect and defend the Constitution.

- Please don't dismiss this post as 'pessimistic' and move on. The Democratic party has been fooled into believing that bipartisanship and cooperating with the Bush* government will make them look more patriotic and 'tough' on the war on (some) terrorism. But this cooperation has accomplished nothing but making Democrats appear weak and subordinate to the 'strong and decisive' Bush* administration. They look like followers instead of leaders.

- We're repeating the history of Hitler's Germany...when the people were powerless or too afraid to stop a 'snowball rolling down a mountain'. Bush* knows he's going to win because the dealer works for him. He knows this...just as he knew in 2000 as his operatives worked behind the scenes to make it happen. The Bushies won't depend on democracy or elections to stay in office. Keep this in mind and plan for the future.

[hackwriter]

1. I'm afraid you're right

I'm not going to call you crazy or paranoid, because I think you're right. The Bushistas have the media, they have the courts, they have both houses of Congress, and perhaps most importantly, they have the voting machines.

The time to riot in the streets was December 12,2000. And we didn't do it.

[Q]

2. I hope I'm not right...but what finally convinced me was...

...our country's (and party's) response to the 2000 selection...

...obstruction of justice and coverups in the matter of 9-11...

...the Bush* administration's lies that drove this nation to unnecessary war and killed thousands of innocent people.

- A democratic republic simply doesn't allow these kinds of things to happen without fighting back.

[Joanne98]

3. The fog of war is clearing

The thing I'm afraid of most is Bush's friends in the manufacturing sector or Walmart. TEMPORARY hiring millions of people to make it look like the economy has recovered. They could start hiring in June and firing in November. Now there's a conspiracy theory for you. It's not that far-out considering the way they prop up the stock market with their pump and dump schemes. I expect that to take a dive right after the election too.

[Q]

4. The Fog is getting thicker...

...as the media spins elections and terrorism in Spain as a 'victory' for terrorists and their appeasers...the Democrats. That's right...the corporate media's message will be that Democrats are 'weak' on terrorism and that only Bush* can save us.

- I wish it were different...but the economy and jobs won't be an issue in November as the Bushies and their media ratchet up the fear level and label Democrats as heretics and 'weak'.

- I'm not talking about conspiracy theories. Bush* has been insulated from harm or prosecution. He is a virtual dictator and Democrats are powerless to stop him short of impeachment.

[Kazak]

5. Only if the RW can somehow manage to circumvent the electoral process.

People mostly see through the media at this point.

Had Bush legitimately won in 2000...MAAAAAYYYYBEEEEE.

[Q]

7. "somehow manage to circumvent the electoral process"

- What do you mean by 'somehow'. The Bushies have ALREADY circumvented the electoral process and more. They've literally circumvented the Constitution and Democrats and have shoved their agenda down our throats...with the willing assistance of the American media.

- I disagree that people 'see through' the media. Enough Americans believe what the media tells them to give Bush* the votes he needs to pull off a win or outright steal another election.

- And states like Florida can give their electoral votes to Bush*...even if he 'loses' the election.

[Brewman_Jax]

6. I hope you're wrong

but, unfortunately, you may be correct. Distraction of the populace has been a favored tool for many years, from the "Bread and Circuses" tactics of the Roman emperors, to the wedge issue tactics of the present RW.

[Q]

10. It's the ultimate distraction: fear and war...

- Republicans and many Democrats repeat the phrase 'We're At War" for good reason. They wanted and needed this war to distract from the deterioration of the state of the union and ingrained corruption of the government.

- And terrorism in Spain was only the beginning. More terrorism will cause Bush* to ratchet up the fear and warmongering to the next level. The 'war president' will take even more power.

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[Q]

26. Congress hasn't declared war...

...which is the way the Constitution would have it.

- We're 'at war' because the Bushies declared war on a noun: terrorism.

- Here's the reality: Bush* lied his ass off and got us into an ILLEGAL war with Iraq. A war that had nothing to do with the so-called war on terrorism or 9-11. Your logic goes downhill from there.

[seabeyond]

8. i would like kerry to add to agenda

that in the 20's there was corporate greed and they learned in that time that more americans had to have a larger portion of the slice of the pie in order to be an healthy economy and we are repeating the history of the elite hording money and that will create the devestation of our economy. that the ceos have to be a little less greedy adn share the wealth for the good of all including themselves

[Ruby Romaine]

9. Get up, turn off the TV , turn off the computer & get working!

We can beat *, we all must be active.
Volunteer, donate money to Kerry, to Move On...
DO SOMETHING!

[Q]

11. Your cheerleading...

...is a waste of time....but probably well-intended.

- But you and many others don't seem to understand that the very institutions that guarantee our freedom and equal justice have been perverted and bent to the Bush* government's will.

- It's interesting that whenever someone like me wants to discuss reality...the retort from you and others is to always respond with 'do something!'. Here's the deal. I and many others have been TRYING to warn the Democratic party that their cooperation and appeasement will only give Bush* more power and keep him insulated and above the law.

[LeahMira]

17. Cheerleading...

... makes sense to me. How many of the folks on-line are interested in politics? And how much of the population is even on-line?

A bit over half have internet access, and of those only about a quarter are particularly inclined to click over to a political site.

Do you actually think any TV ads have that much of an impact to an audience that's pretty jaded to the campaign process already? The public has six months of political ads to "look forward to" and I honestly doubt that most feel that's a good thing.

If the media isn't giving Democrats space, then Democrats have to find another space. If the only space available is on the street corner, then by all means... use it!


I and many others have been TRYING to warn the Democratic party that their cooperation and appeasement will only give Bush* more power and keep him insulated and above the law.

Then maybe it's time to stop depending on the Democratic party to speak for you. In fact, the party is supposed to be listening to its constituents, not the other way around.

[Q]

27. The media doesn't give Democrats 'space'...

...because the Democrats have had little to say...other than a few high-profile Democrats actually praising Bush* for his 'war' on terrorism and the slaughter in Iraq.

- Democrats didn't protest the Patriot Act or the illegal invasion...they helped make them possible.

[NewJeffCT]

12. Unfortunately

I agree with you, Q. While I think Kerry is fighting back better than Gore did in 2000, he is still getting stuck with that flip-flop tag. The media is basically in Bush's pocket and that is the key. There is no Walter Cronkite to say "This war is unwinnable!"

I might as well start learning Chinese because when our economy collapses, I'd like to at least have an option to move.

[Q]

14. Never give up on America or Democracy...

- We've come too far to simply give up and move to another country. This is supposed to be OUR country...but 'we' have allowed Bush* to use the fear of terrorism to take dictatorial control of our government.

- The reality we must face is that our party has helped it happen. That doesn't mean that we should no longer support the party...just convince them to move into a different direction.

[NewJeffCT]

29. Not giving up

Just preparing for the inevitable.

I feel we're in a worse situation than Frodo & Sam in 'The Two Towers' & 'Return of the King'... two small hobbits and a questionable ally against the Dark Lord and all his might. Only, we don't have an Aragorn & a Gandalf on our side.

[snippy]

13. I think you are too pessimistic.

Since 9/11 Bush's approval rating has been in a steady down trend with the occasional bounce. Bush's decline in the polls is nothing other than the American people looking at and listening to Bush and realizing that he is an incompetent liar. Day by day and voter by voter, Bush himself is convincing the American people that he should not be president. If the trend since 9/11 continues, Bush will lose badly. If the trend reverses soon enough and strongly enough, Bush will win easily.

Between now and November Bush will continue to lie at every opportunity about every subject on which he speaks. Between now and November, Bush will continue to demonstrate his incompetence. Between now and November Bush will continue to demonstrate his Fecal Midas Touch. Bush probably can benefit only from what happens to the economy and Iraq between now and November. Unless another issue arises between now and November, the economy must improve and Iraq can not get too much worse for Bush to win.

FIRE THE LIAR



TO KNOW HIM IS TO LOATHE HIM

Just look at the charts at this site. They illustrate the effect Bush is having on the American people. http://www.radiofreemonkey.com:8080/charts/

[Q]

15. Certainly you understand...

...that polls and performance have little to do with who becomes president?

[snippy]

23. The voters will decide who becomes president. It will not be close.

Either Bush or Kerry will win handily. Unless something happens to change Bush's prospects he will be fired.

[hang a left]

20. I am going to agree with you. My gut tells me Bush is going down.

We have yet to see the aftermaths of

-Plame Grand Jury

-SC Decision on Cheney's energy papers

-Outcome and fall out of the Senate Invesitgation on pre-war intel

-How our allies in the coalition of the killing line up after the Madrid tragedy

-BBV progress before the election

Having that said, I still don't think things will be any different with Kerry being President, which I fully expect to happen. He will just put a kinder and gentler face of the complete destruction of our country.

Don't mind me, I don tinfoil for every occasion

edited for oopsies

[Malva Zebrina]

31. we may never see the aftermaths of any of those

and I believe that.

Democrats have been rendered impotent, and part of that is their own willing fault. They looked for the past three and half years, like scardy cat wimps and still do to a certain extent. A few exceptions noted.

I don't have the skills to analyse why--my biggest disappointment was Kerry and Hillary Clinton voting for the unjust war. It was a painful loss of innocence for me to realize they were playing politics. That, caused me to vote for someone else in the caucus and although Kerry is probably doing his best, he seems ineffective and too bland and without enough energy. That could be due to the Bush campaign's expertise in the media blitzkrieg telling the country what a great, Christian, war president and leader Bush is. And I agree--it may seem crass and without taste or even truth to us, but a large portion of Americans will believe those ads. They can play them over and over and enter into the sub-conscious of the sheep. They got the most money.

Nevertheless, it needs to countered and with enough energy that the media will report it in a headline as a Kerry "blitz" and not as a "counter" and what, really, can kerry say about the war president when he voted for it? I agree with Q that the Democrats have sunk themselves down into this subservient position and it is too late to do anything about their decisions to lay over and play dead for Bush. I think they are still laying back not knowing if Bush will be elected again and not wanting to make him mad just in case he does get elected.

Having said that, there are days when I think we will beat the ass off Bush in a huge landslide and other days I feel depressed and vow to sell my home and move to nearby Canada where people are pleasant, non violent and sane-

-the Republicans all have their points minutely coordinated-Powell as Rice say the war was worth it to get rid of Saddam-same as Bush-all on the same day-all coordinated media blitz on that theme-that is the newest talking point--and ignorant people in this country, scared out of their minds that the arabs will do them some harm, will vote for more war, since they are convinced the war on terrorism is a real war and that we are a target yet.-I saw Newt on CSpan today, and Gorden Libby--same talking points as Rice, Powell and Bush--like they were sent a DVD to practice with. Although Robert Reich was on with Newt, he just failed to put the points across as forcefully as Newt put his lies across. Not his job anyhow.

An essay/sermon by Rev. Lang,posted on DU in another thread gives one examply of this fascism at work-- congress has lost it's power to be the final arbiter of a declaration of war. It has simply given that power up. We all learned in grammar school that only congress has the power to declare war, but it is, in effect, a myth and a lie we were taught. If they teach that anymore in our schools, I suggest they simply remove it from the textbooks--Congress has not used it's power to be the author of the final declaration of war in the past three wars. It is obvious that an evil man, a fascist like Bush, can invade a country on his will power alone.

[Cocoa]

16. duh

of course that's the plan, that's been obvious for over two years. But it's not going to work, unless you think Rove automatically gets everything he wants.

[hang a left]

22. So do you think that BBV is a factor here Cocoa?

[Q]

28. BBV will be a factor in a close race...

...and it will most certainly be a close race because the country is divided in half.

- The Bushies honed their vote-stealing-cancelling skills in 2000. They're emboldened by the fact that they got away with it the first time.

[hang a left]

30. I was responding to Cocoa really here Q.

She in the recent past has accepted BBV as a "conspiracy theory"

[Q]

25. Many Americans will vote for Bush*...

..simply because he's 'commander in chief' during a 'time of war'. Rove and the Bushies know this...which is why they DECLARED A WAR against terrorism instead of going after those responsible for 9-11.

- The Rovians also know that the opposition risks looking like unAmerican traitors if they get in the way of the brave CIC trying to protect the people.

[BabsSong]

18. I keep looking at one thing rather than thinking all Americans will

think alike all the time. That thing started to maifest itself by December 2001. Fear of terrorist attack went way down. It really hit the skids in the heartland. Today the 'heartland' literally ranks it as the dead last issue of importance to them. At the same time it's the area gutted by loss of good paying manufacturing jobs (union type jobs). This would be of little interest except about 90% of this election will be fought in those dead in the middle of the continent states. I lived there for years and New York or CA to them still seems a hundred thousand miles away, a different country and a different culture. Bush may have a hard time scaring the shit out of these people to the extent that they forget their other issues and run to embrace him. This isn't a national campaign and Kerry would be wise to remember it. It's getting a rather isolationist midwest fired up over jobs, medicare, ss and the big debt.

[devinsgram]

21. Well if it's like you say

then we shouldn't even bother to go and vote, after all if it's over and done then why is everyone even bothering to discuss this.
I on the other hand think optimistically. I still have faith that the American people will see thru all this and do the right thing. I for one will not give up hope. I believe too much in my country then to ever give up hope, no matter what happens.

[Q]

24. Are you saying the second time is a charm...?

...because the American people didn't do a damn thing when an election was stolen right in front of their eyes. They simply accepted whatever the media told them.

- Hell...even in 'normal' elections...millions of votes simply aren't counted because of technical problems or machine malfunctions or someone like Harris being in charge. It's beyond me why anyone still has any kind of confidence in the US electoral process after 2000.

- The American people have been taken out of the process of electing presidents. Remember...it's not votes that elect leaders...it's those who count the votes...and the media that lies for those who count the votes.

- Will 'faith' be enough to make the kind of changes necessary to restore a semblence of democracy?

[OneBlueSky]

32. as long as BushCo controls the voting apparatus . . .

there's probably not much we can do to prevent four more years . . . with no way of getting caught, they can easily adjust the vote in one or two key states just enought to guarantee that Bush wins . . . they've done it before for lesser offices with no repercussions, so there's no reason to believe they won't do it again for the presidency . . .

[struggle4progress]

33. Why give up eight months early?

I do not think the outcome is at all certain today.

But even if your most pessimistic predictions proved true, much of what would be required as preparation is intelligent POLITICAL organizing. If you are indeed correct that we are in danger of "repeating the history of Hitler's Germany," the most appropriate first reaction would be a serious effort to prevent that from occurring: failure to organize preventatively becomes unconscionable.

Defeatism is a kind of demonic possession.

[Q]

34. I never suggested that anyone 'give up'...

...but instead to be prepared for the worse. Remember...we live in a country where millions of people showing up in the streets to protest are called 'focus groups'. We're part of a nation that does nothing when it's proven that the president has committed criminal acts.

- Defeatism? Isn't it defeatism to simply give up and bow down to your enemy or opponent? Call me 'possessed' if you want...but at least I'm still fighting the Bush* tyranny. That's more than I can say for the Bush* apologists and appeasers in both parties.

[sangh0]

35. HOw are you fighting the Bush* tyranny?

As a Bush* apologist and appeaser, I'd like to know what I should be doing.

[Q]

36. You could start by...

...writing your representatives to demand that they stop appeasing Bush* and his dictatorial government.

- You're not a Bush* apologist and appeaser unless you support actions and policies that are destructive to democracy and the 'rule of law'.

- Supporting and defending our Constitution and upholding the law is not an option...for Republicans or Democrats. Democrats are just as guilty if they witness criminal acts and do nothing about it.

- Yet...the Democratic response has been a meek one at best...preferring an attempt to vote Bush* out instead of demanding that he be prosecuted. This means that if Bush* somehow pulls off a win in November...the Democrats will have been neutered and his criminal government will have a 'mandate' to stay the course.