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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 08:21 PM
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Greatness of Bill Clinton
CLINTON PRAISE--WITH PLEASURE

GDP--rose from 6300 to11,600

NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion--took 20 years to grow 2500B before Clinton

JOBS CREATED--over 22 million--record by far

AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS--$360 to $478

AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED--never hit 35.0--hit that mark 4 times in 80's

UNEMPLOYMENT--from 7.2% down down down to 3.9%

MINIMUM WAGE--$4.25 to $5.15

MINORITIES--did exceedingly well

HOME OWNERSHIP--hit all time high

DEFICIT--290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS

DEBT----+28%---300% increase over prior12 years

FEDERAL SPENDING--+28%---80% under Reagan- who da true conservative?

DOW JONES AVERAGE--3,500 to 11,800 all it's history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it

NASDAQ--700 to 5,000---all of it's history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it

VALUES INDEXES-- almost all bad went down--good went up in zoom zoom zoom

FOREIGN AFFAIRS--Peace on Earth good will toward each other---Mark of a true Christian--what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?

POPULARITY---highest poll ratings in history during peacetime in AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE even 98.5% in Moscow--left office with highest Gallup rating since it was started in 1920's.

STAND UP FOR JUSTICE--evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught one very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.

BOW YOUR HEADS--Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton's character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world.

THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.

clarence swinney burlington nc

cwswinney@netzero.net

6-28-03

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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 08:26 PM
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1. Thank you Bill Clinton.
You did great things for this country.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 09:10 PM
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3. His stock,
seems to go up and up each year, doesn't it? I didn't think a lot of him when he was in office, but I sure miss him now.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:10 AM
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10. I hear you on that one.
I didn't like him much while he was in office, but I'd take him back in a heartbeat. I never thought it would ever get this bad under the shrub. But it did.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 09:12 PM
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4. The second best president in my lifetime!
Go Bill!
Carter is the man that turned me on to politics.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:03 PM
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5. MORE PEOPLE RAISED OUT OF POVERTY IN HISTORY
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PeaceInOurTimes Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:12 PM
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6. Yes, many of us miss Bill Clinton
I don't think we can ever replace him with someone as compassionate and understanding and honest as he was under his leadership. God bless you Bill.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:15 PM
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7. He was a REAL President.
Too bad he can't run again.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:20 PM
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8. Heh heh
We miss you, Bill, and Hillary too. The greatest President and the most active First Lady I'll probably have the privilege of growing up under.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-04 11:58 PM
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9. I miss him too...he was "...of the people..." unlike * n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:28 AM
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11. Clinton Was The Best
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holeinboatoutatsea Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:36 AM
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12. So many things happened during the Clinton years
that Americans can look back on and have a sense of pride.

but

he was also responsible for welfare reform, which truly meant he was forced by a repuke congress to support time limits on benefits. Does anyone have any idea how many people this is now beginning to hurt? Sure, it was a great idea when there were ten million new jobs to get, but now?

I think he was a great pres that had to fight tooth and nail every minute. I also think he gave into pressures due to a bubble economy. Welcome to the results!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:44 AM
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13. That's Clinton alright!
He's the Man!
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:01 AM
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14. Clinton for VP!!!!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 02:46 AM
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15. Appointed Republican Michael Powell to the FCC...
July, 31 1997.

Before that, this dispicable free market libertarian was Chief of Staff of the Anti-Trust (contradiction in terms) Division in Clinton's Justice Department....

Yeah, great guy, that Clinton. He sure helped us out during the California energy crisis (which happened largely during HIS term)- he sure put a stop to West Coast gas price manipulation during the late 90's, too.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 02:49 AM
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16. As one sided as a RW email n/t
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myopic4141 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:25 AM
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17. Not to knock your enthusiasm for the Clinton years,
; but do get the numbers correct: 1993 (billions) - GDP $6642.30; GNP $6666.70; CMD (Credit Market Debt - combined government, commercial, and private debt) $16169.00; USGD (US Government Debt) $3336.00. 2000 (billions) - GDP $9824.60; GNP $9848.00; CMD $27349.00; USGD $3385.00. GNP/GDP > 0.0 = trade surplus. The only time the GNP/GDP ratio went < 0.0 was in 1998. CMD/GDP went from 243.42% in 1993 to 278.37% in 2000 while USGD/GDP went from 50.04% in 1993 to 34.37% in 2000. In 1993, debt service (the percentage of GDP to cover CMD) was 12.18% and in 2000 was 13.92%.
For the Shrubby years: 2001 (billions) - GDP 10082.20; GNP $10104.10; CMD $29394.00; USGD $3380.00. 2002 (billions) - GDP 10446.20; GNP $10436.70; CMD $31702.00; USGD 3637.00. Clinton left Shrubby a 0.22% trade surplus which became a -0.09% trade deficit. CMD/GDP rose from 291.54% in 2001 to 303.48% in 2002 while USGD/GDP went from 33.45% in 2001 to 34.85% in 2002. In 2001, debt service was 14.58% and in 2002 was 15.17%.
The source of the numbers is the "Statistical Abstract of the US" published every Sep for the previous year. 2003's will be out Sep 2004 and on the web by Jan 2005. The abstracts can be found at http://www.census.gov/statab/www/.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:29 AM
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18. "Welfare deform", NAFTA, Telecom Act of 96,..
Ati-terrorism act of 95(the prelude to the Patriot Act), DMCA, Kosovo..


Best Republican President ever! :)

TWL

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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:08 AM
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19. what he/she said
Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 04:09 AM by minkyboodle
+ telecommunications act, NAFTA, WTO, Welfare Reform etc etc, not to mention losing an unprecedented number of house, senate and state offices.......
My first vote was for Clinton in 1992.... he broke my heart but I'm still ABB this year. Hate to say it though its a turn off when Kerry tries to rap rhapsodic about the Clinton years though.
Scott
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 07:07 AM
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23. He did good and he did bad
Par for the course I guess. But Clinton as a liberal???!!! He was the best Republican president we ever had. Except for Tricky Dick Nixon, who was a great president (If you can ignore Vietnam, and Watergate, and CREEP.)

But that's my point. And apparently the point of a lot of people here: Clinton was a great president if you can ignore x,y, and z. Monica's dress and the cigars don't even get a mention (I just hope they both had fun!).

Clinton has a lot to be proud of and a lot to answer for. He wasn't my choice but he may have been the best choice.

Anyway... Fuck Clinton. It's over and done with. History. Half the Dems problems are about the Big Dog. Some of us think we got heaven on earth and some of us wonder why we ever voted for a Republican. Enough already.

Let's deal with today.

And yeah, I'll criticize the hell out of him but I voted for him twice and would do so again. Gladly. And trash him unmercifully. It's not a contradiction.

But we Dems masturbate ourselves into insanity over FDR and the Kennedys and now big Bill. Enough, I say.

Let's deal with today. It sucks but it's what we've got to work with. So let's do it.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:47 AM
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20. Now for some truth
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/inequal/america.htm
The Rich Can Afford to Share the Wealth
By Robert Reich
San Jose Mercury News
December 29, 1999
Exactly eight years ago I trudged through sleet and slush of New Hampshire telling anyone who'd listen that Bill Clinton would do wonders for the American economy. Now, as the nation lurches into a millennial election year with unemployment at its lowest level in thirty-five years with no inflation in sight, most Americans seem largely content. The economy has faded as an election-year issue. But there are two big things that have been happening to the American economy which should be framing the upcoming election nonetheless. It's still the economy, stupid.
Big Thing Number One: America has been growing faster than ever. Productivity has been rising 2.1 percent a year since 1993, according to just-revised statistics from the Commerce Department. I wish the Clinton Administration could take full credit, but it turns out that productivity-growth spurt actually began picking up steam in the early 1980s. The recession of 1991-92 was only a temporary pause. Neither Reagan's supply-side tax cuts nor Clinton's deficit-thwacking budget cuts have made much difference. The real cause has been a revolution in information technology, which is transforming America into a super-efficient digital colossus. There's no reason to suppose this long-term trend should slow. Put simply, America is richer than ever and will become even more so.
Which brings us to Big Thing Number Two: Almost all these gains have been going to people at the top. According to recent data from the congressional budget office, this year the richest 2.7 million Americans, comprising the top 1 percent, will have as many after-tax dollars to spend as the bottom 100 million put together. Meanwhile, the poorest one-fifth of households will have an average income of $8,800 this year, down from $10,000 in 1977 (in current dollars). Not even people in the middle have done particularly well. Since the start of the Clinton administration, the incomes of richest have risen twice as fast as the middle.
This calculation doesn't even include deferred income and other perks, such as stock options, which have gone mostly to people at the top. And, notably, it doesn't include increases in the values of their stock portfolios. Add in these, and the wealth gap turns into the Grand Canyon. At the start of the Clinton administration, the Dow stood at 3300. Now it's hovering around 10,800. Eighty-five percent of this windfall has gone to the top 10 percent of earners -- and forty percent to the top 1 percent.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18068
First Blood
By Michael I. Niman
Bill Clinton followed suit, ditching his cumbersome "draft dodger" cognomen somewhere between Kosovo and Serbia. Clinton gave the command, Wes Clark mobilized the troops and missiles went a-flying into bridges, trains, TV studios and damn near anything that moved, including columns of fleeing Kosovar refugees. When it was all over, the former Yugoslavia, like Bush Senior's Iraq, was littered with "depleted" uranium. But Clinton, like Bush Senior before him, had his bloodletting, and was dubbed a "man."
http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/
So, once elected, Bill Clinton did what he does best: He took advantage of the opportunity. Rather than insert human-rights concerns into the arms-sales equation, as did his Democratic predecessor President Carter, Clinton decided to aggressively continue the sales policies of President Bush, himself no slouch when it came to selling U.S. arms.
Early on, Clinton required our diplomats to shill for arms merchants to their host countries. The results were immediate: During Clinton's first year in office, U.S. arms sales more than doubled. From 1993 to 1997, the U.S. government sold, approved, or gave away $190 billion in weapons to virtually every nation on earth.
The arms industry, meanwhile, has greased the wheels. It filled the Democratic Party coffers to the tune of nearly $2 million in the 1998 election cycle.
...
Shipping Jobs Overseas
According to the Pentagon, the defense industry laid off 795,000 American workers between 1992 and 1997. At the same time, many of these corporations were sweetening their arms deals to other countries by offering "offsets" -- incentives provided to foreign countries in exchange for the purchase of military goods and services. The programs often include agreements to manufacture some or all of the products in the purchasing country.
Turkey, for example, agreed to buy 160 F-16s from General Dynamics in 1987 (for delivery through 1994) for an estimated $4 billion -- on the condition that most of the planes be built in Turkey. The offset resulted in 1,500 jobs going to Turkey. In 1992, General Dynamics entered into a similar F-16 offset deal with South Korea and brought 400 Koreans to its Fort Worth, Texas, plant for training, after having laid off 10,000 workers in the previous two years.
Lockheed Martin has continued the trend since it bought General Dynamics' F-16 program in 1993: In vying for a contract to supply fighters to Poland, it is offering to build an assembly plant there for all future F-16 sales to Central Europe -- so the planes won't be made in the U.S. at all. Makes you feel patriotic, doesn't it?
Corporate Pork
Under a Defense Department policy initiated in 1993, U.S. taxpayers wind up covering a big chunk of the cost of defense-corporation mergers. The tally so far has reached $856.2 million in perfectly legal write-offs, including $405 million for the Lockheed/Martin Marietta merger, to name one example. Because of the policy, Lockheed was able to bill the Pentagon up front for $2.4 million of CEO Norman Augustine's salary.
In 1996, Congress created the Defense Export Loan Guarantee program to finance U.S. weapons sales to foreign countries. Its first beneficiary? A United Industrial sale of pilotless aircraft and training systems to cash-strapped Romania. If Romania defaults on its payments (not a bad bet for a country in economic turmoil), U.S. taxpayers will be left holding the bag: $16.7 million. But United Industrial gets paid either way.
Arming Both Sides
The Clinton administration has not been shy about arming potential foes in regional conflicts. For example, two of America's biggest arms customers are Greece and Turkey, which have been threatening to go to war with each other for decades over the tiny Mediterranean island of Cyprus.
Both countries stake a claim to the island, more than a third of which has been occupied by Turkish forces since 1974, and the two have clashed hundreds of times in the 25 years since.
Though barred by Congress from selling offensive weapons to Cyprus itself, in 1997 the U.S. sold (or allowed American corporations to sell) more than $270 million worth of weapons to Greece and nearly $750 million worth to Turkey. Now if there's a war, the two NATO allies can blast away at one another with far greater efficiency, thanks to the U.S. defense industry and its cheerleader, Bill Clinton.
http://antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=2089
2004: Choose Your Favorite Pro-War Candidate
by John Pilger
The truth is that Clinton was little different from Bush, a crypto-fascist. During the Clinton years, the principal welfare safety nets were taken away and poverty in America increased sharply; a multibillion-dollar missile "defense" system known as Star Wars II was instigated; the biggest war and arms budget in history was approved; biological weapons verification was rejected, along with a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty, the establishment of an international criminal court and a worldwide ban on landmines. Contrary to a myth that places the blame on Bush, the Clinton administration in effect destroyed the movement to combat global warming.
In addition, Haiti and Afghanistan were invaded, the illegal blockade of Cuba was reinforced and Iraq was subjected to a medieval siege that claimed up to a million lives while the country was being attacked, on average, every third day: the longest Anglo-American bombing campaign in history. In the 1999 Clinton-led attack on Serbia, a "moral crusade," public transport, nonmilitary factories, food processing plants, hospitals, schools, museums, churches, heritage-listed monasteries and farms were bombed. "They ran out of military targets in the first couple of weeks," said James Bissett, the Canadian former ambassador to Yugoslavia. "It was common knowledge that NATO went to stage three: civilian targets." In their cruise missile attack on Sudan, Clinton's generals targeted and destroyed a factory producing most of sub-Saharan Africa's pharmaceutical supplies. The German ambassador to Sudan reported: "It is difficult to assess how many people in this poor country died as a consequence . . . but several tens of thousands seems a reasonable guess."
Covered in euphemisms, such as "democracy-building" and "peacekeeping," "humanitarian intervention" and "liberal intervention," the Clintonites can boast a far more successful imperial record than Bush's neocons, largely because Washington granted the Europeans a ceremonial role, and because NATO was "onside." In a league table of death and destruction, Clinton beats Bush hands down.

And he gave us, Defense of Marriage, Welfare Reform without Corporate Welfare Reform, NAFTA/GATT/WTO, Bono copyright act, DMCA, and a whole bunch of other nifty procorporate actions.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:54 AM
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21. And I forgot
According to Woody Harrelsons Weed film, increased the funding for the Drug war and put three MILLION more americans in jail for drug related crimes.
I seem to recall something about South America and increased funding for the Drug warriors there as well as spraying.
But I'm certain there are others more informed than I on that topic.
And, his justice department went after the medical marijuana prescription doctors.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,813189,00.html
I'm an American tired of American lies
Woody Harrelson
Thursday October 17, 2002
I went to the White House when Harvey Weinstein was showing Clinton the movie Welcome to Sarejevo, which I was in. I got a few moments alone with Clinton. Saddam throwing out the weapons inspectors was all over the news and I asked what he was going to do. His answer was very revealing. He said: "Everybody is telling me to bomb him. All the military are saying, 'You gotta bomb him.' But if even one innocent person died, I couldn't bear it." And I looked in his eyes and I believed him. Little did I know he was blocking humanitarian aid at the time, allowing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 06:56 AM
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22. Forgot this as well
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=220&row=1
Clinton Closed an Eye

True-blue Democrats may want to skip the next paragraphs. If President Bush put the kibosh on investigations of Saudi funding of terror and nuclear bomb programs, this was merely taking a policy of Bill Clinton one step further.

Following the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, Clinton hunted Osama with a passion -- but a passion circumscribed by the desire to protect the sheikdom sitting atop our oil lifeline. In 1994, a Saudi diplomat defected to the United States with 14,000 pages of documents from the kingdom's sealed file cabinets. This mother lode of intelligence included evidence of plans for the assassination of Saudi opponents living in the West and, tantalizingly, details of the $7 billion the Saudis gave to Saddam Hussein for his nuclear program -- the first attempt to build an Islamic Bomb. The Saudi government, according to the defector, Mohammed Al Khilewi, slipped Saddam the nuclear loot during the Reagan and Bush Sr. years when our own government still thought Saddam too marvelous for words. The thought was that he would only use the bomb to vaporize Iranians....

In 1997, the Canadians caught and extradited to America one of the Khobar Towers attackers. In 1999, Vernon Jordan's law firm stepped in and -- poof! -- the killer was shipped back to Saudi Arabia before he could reveal all he knew about al Qaeda (valuable) and the Saudis (embarrassing). I reviewed, but was not permitted to take notes on, the alleged terrorist's debriefing by the FBI. To my admittedly inexpert eyes, there was enough on al Qaeda to make him a source on terrorists worth holding on to. Not that he was set free -- he's in one of the kingdom's dungeons -- but his info is sealed up with him. The terrorist's extradition was "Clinton's." "Clinton's parting kiss to the Saudis," as one insider put it.

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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 07:11 AM
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24. Are you usually that forgetful Dennis
are do you have a better supplier than I do ?

Just joking. Natch.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 07:42 AM
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25. khashka
"Are you usually that forgetful Dennis"

I'm old and feeble, the wheels do not turn as swiftly or as certainly.
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 09:07 AM
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26. Oh please
>I'm old and feeble, the wheels do not turn as swiftly or as certainly.

Which probably means you're 28 :)

But trust me! All is not lost. It's gonna get a lot worse!

Khash.
(And if you reply you're 91, living in an old folk's home and your kids never visit... well, I'm not gonna believe it.)
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 09:20 AM
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27. I hear
he was handy with a cigar... :)

V
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