Just saw O'Reilly and Jon Voight debate the Passion

[liberal72]

and Voight kicked O'Reilly's ass. Voight pointed out all the inaccuracies of The Passion after O'Reilly said the movie stayed true to the gospel.

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. Gibson and O'Reilly do business together...

Its a business thing.

[roguevalley]

28. I think O'Reilly invested in the movie and is set to get some kinda dough.

[still_one]

2. Scarbourough country was not as good

[Character Assassin]

3. Frankly: so what?

I've seen it. It's a great movie, and nothing Voight or O'Reilly could ever say is going to change that.

Talk about two angels dancing on the head of their own pin.

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. It's a half a movie.

An incomplete story as far as I'm concerned because it leaves out the moral: Christianity is about forgiveness.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

5. "Christianity is about forgiveness"?...

Somebody forgot to tell all of those NeoCons who claim to be Christians.

Somebody forgot to tell all of those TV evangelists getting rich off the donations of the elderly.

Somebody forgot to tell you that the "forgiveness" part of Christ's story didn't begin until the disciples began spreading Christianity around the local geographic area.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. "God forgive them for they know not what they say"

Oh, I think the concept of forgiveness in Christianity started before Christ died. God gave up his only son with the intention of using his sacrifice to forgive us for our sins and, thereby, allow us a place in heaven. And Christ never did have vengeful intentions to those who did him wrong. Not Peter, who denied him three times, nor Judas who betrayed him. Nor the Romans, nor people who often are depicted as taunting him as he marches to his death. It is what makes Jesus and Christianity an example for us all. Otherwise, Christianity would be nothing more than a cult. You know, like the way they practice it in the South.

[Touchdown]

8. Then why at the end ...*spoilers*...

Did Jesus get up off the shroud, with a look of "Now it's payback time! This time it's PERSONAL!" on his face when he rose from the dead? That wasn't a look of love or of joy for a good mission accomplished. It was an unmistakeable look of revenge on his face. This was a Biblical spaghetti western.

This movie was a farcical snuff film...and since he was crucified still wearing clothes, it IS historically inaccurate. The Roman's crucified EVERYBODY naked.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Shame on Mel Gibson. That look should say it all. His hidden agenda

is exposed. It's all about revenge for him, just like one of his stupid Lethal Weapon movies.

[Beaker]

35. next up from Mel- Passion 2: The Payback of the Christ.

or maybe it'll be- Payback 2: The Passion.

[Character Assassin]

19. Righto. I didn't see that on his face at all.

Did Jesus get up off the shroud, with a look of "Now it's payback time! This time it's PERSONAL!" on his face when he rose from the dead?

Project much?

[Touchdown]

20. It was obvius. It's in the eyes.

Pay attention much?

[Character Assassin]

22. No, it wasn't in the least obvious

Except, perhaps, to those who would have thought the same thing in any case, without having even seen the movie.

Read things into stuff much?

[Touchdown]

24. Study acting much?

I know the technique. It was there. I wasn't looking into anything, by that time in the film, I was numb, and more than ready to go.

depserately try to defend Mad Max Beyond Jerusalem much?

[Character Assassin]

26. Sure. It's something I'd recommend you look into.

I know the technique.

"The" technique. Oh, Ok.

depserately try to defend Mad Max Beyond Jerusalem much?

Flail wildly about constructing artless faux analogies much?

[Touchdown]

27. Nice try, I didn't make MMBJ up.

I know what I saw. What you saw must've been what you wanted to see.

You just want to be contrarian for the sake of bullying those that disagree. This is not the holy grail, and it is no way Jesus himself. It's a movie. One man's interpretation. I didn't agree with it, or feel any inspiration from it. Stop trying to make me love it.

I went in with no hidden agenda, and no pre-concieved notions. Go on your fishing expedition somewhere else.

[roguevalley]

29. He got up that way because Gibson made him. He's pre-vatican II

Jesus. Jesus as marauder. This man made a movie about
his psyche screened through his rendition of the Gospels.
He has nothing to do with the truth or intentions of
Jesus anymore than any other huckster with a POV.

[Touchdown]

30. I know that.

I was trying to get someone else to defend the "forgiveness and love" bit, because I missed it from this film...and I didn't get up once for the bathroom. When I saw his bare ribcage after the scourging, I did turn away from the screen though. Was it then?

[Deb-Ter]

7. You're wrong...

It doesn't leave out that Christianity is about forgiveness. It fully shows Christ forgiving all those who had just beaten him and nailed him to a cross. How could you possible be any more forgiving than that?

[arewethereyet]

14. you misunderstand the story

you cannot have Easter without Good Friday and you owe it to God and yourself to give some time in meditation on Good Friday on its own.

as a Christian you are supposed to do this, its right there in the Mass. this is my body which is given for you... and me too.

people perfer to gloss over this part and skip to the happy ending. doesn't make it right.

[Character Assassin]

15. No, it's not. It's one man's take on one part of the whole

He chose not to dwell on other aspects of the greater story, but that in no way diminishes the film.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. So we'll call it, "The Greatest Story Never Told"

The story is diminished, IMHO. It's like sitting down at the table for the last supper and only being served crumbs.

[Character Assassin]

18. Why don't we call it "Not what you would have done, therefore crap"

Seems to be more in line with your overlooking of the obvious merits of the film because it doesn't represent what you want it to represent.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. The reality is that churches across this country are using this movie

to charge up their constituents. Drive down the street and look at their billboards. It's all over my area. "The Passion continues here." In addition, Mel Gibson created this movie for more than its cinematic "merit" therefore, we have a right to criticize it on the level it was intended.

[Merlin]

9. It's an exploitive piece of religious pornography.

It's pure crap. Anyone who likes this kind of thing is a sadistic asshole.

[Catholic Sensation]

12. ...

Anyone who likes this kind of thing is a sadistic asshole.

What a disgusting thing to say. Are the people who liked the movie Gandhi assholes? Gandhi was beaten in the movie and it showed his execution as well.

[homelandpunk]

13. Then let me be really disgusting.

Anyone who like this kind of thing - the Thrashin' movie - is a sadistic asshole and needs treatment.
Do xtians have popcorn with their crucifixions?

[PassingFair]

31. Don't see many people claiming

that Gandhi is gonna liff them up inta hebben.
What's your point.
When I first saw Harryhausen's Jason and the Argonauts I thought:

"It is how it was".

:eyes:

[Character Assassin]

16. Only to those with blinders on. Oh, and have you seen the movie?

Anyone who likes this kind of thing is a sadistic asshole.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[The Magistrate]

21. Well Said, Mr. Merlin!

Merely an extended exercise in homosexual sado-masochism done up in period costumes. It is a very crowded genre, though it it seldom gets out to mainstream theaters for bus-loads from church youth groups to enjoy....

"People getting their fubndamental interests wrong is what American politics is all about."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[RapidCreek]

23. What exactly is so great about it?

RC

[Character Assassin]

25. I liked the cinematography, the pace of it and it's otherworldliness

I haven't seen too many other films that look like it, and I liked the Aramaic, etc...

Plus it was well acted.

Couldn't have done without the gunfights and chase scenes, though.

[Az]

34. Well when the selling point is its the most accurate

All the social issues aside, they did sell the movie as the most accurate portrayal of his last hours. I still have not seen an honest attempt to satisfy the Easter Challenge(lay out the story of the crucifixion leaving out nother from the bible and having no contradictions).

When St Mel starts cawing about his movie as a religious text instead of entertainment we get to comment on issues like this. If instead he wishes to suggest that he is offering the Thrashing of the Christ as entertainment (ala Clockwork Orange's fantasy sequence) then I expect some may take offense to that as well.

[Deja Q]

11. O'Really put so much on the line by believing in *, that he'll now

make the most obtuse comments, even though there's plenty that shows Gibson's script is scripted - and not utterly true to the Gospel.

Ob'tuse is what O'Really should be called for now on, I swear...

[mitchum]

32. I only like movies with gratuitous violence...

Fuck Gibson and his heavy-handed message gore fest.

[oc2002]

36. actualy, I am just bored with all the self inflated hoopla about this film

As a Duer, and a Catholic, there is nothing in that film that interests me in the least to go out and see it. The only interesting twist is that it is in aramaic instead of english like most Christ films.

I think the book/movie 'The Davinci Code' is alot more interesting if your into debating theology or the bible. Gibson films taken too seriously is like looking for a deaper meaning in 'Mad Max' type films. lol.