was the CIA behind the Spanish bombing?

[gWbush is Mabus]

it sounds awfully similar to the bombing in Fiji (?)
where the CIA guy blew off his leg trying to get the local people to unite against terrorists and side with the pro-American party before an election.

any thoughts?
and which country was it?

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[el_gato]

4. Woodrow fan completely ignores history

and immediately runs to the "How Could You Say That?!!!" tactic

How bout doing some research WF instead of posting reactionary rage.

[el_gato]

3. I think it was

you can't rule it out


Remember this one:
http://www.mindanews.com/2003/05/30nws-meiring01.html

The Meiring Mystery:
“Affront to Philippine sovereignty”
(First Part)
Carolyn O. Arguillas / MindaNews / 30 May 2003

DAVAO CITY-- Exactly a year ago today, May 30, a fuming Mayor Rodrigo Duterte lashed out at the “arrogant” agents of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation for having spirited out of the hospital an American national who nearly lost his life when explosives he owned went off inside his room in a budget hotel on May 16.

“An affront to Philippine sovereignty,” was how Duterte described to the Regional Peace and Order Council (RPOC) what the FBI agents did in getting Michael Terrence Meiring out.

Who was Michael Terence Meiring and why did the FBI get him out? How did he manage to leave the county despite warrants of arrest and hold departure orders? Why hasn't he been returned to this city to face charges of illegal possession of explosives and reckless imprudence despite promises last year by the police and the National Bureau of Investigation? Why doesn’t the Special Anti-Terrorist Unit want to say exactly what kind of explosives went off in Meiring’s hotel room?

[Minstrel Boy]

5. More on Meiring from Naomi Klein, in The Guardian

And don't forget the mutiny of the Philippines officers, who alleged their government was sponsoring terror to justify an American military presence.


These suspicions stem from a bizarre incident on May 16 2002, in Davao. Michael Meiring, a US citizen, allegedly detonated explosives in his hotel room, injuring himself badly. While recovering in hospital, Meiring was whisked away by two men - who witnesses say identified themselves as FBI agents - and flown to the US. Local officials have demanded that Meiring return to face charges, to little effect. BusinessWorld, a leading Philippine newspaper, has published articles openly accusing Meiring of being a CIA agent involved in covert operations "to justify the stationing of American troops and bases in Mindanao".

Yet the Meiring affair has never been reported in the US press. And the mutinous soldiers' incredible allegations were no more than a one-day story. Maybe it just seemed too outlandish: an out-of-control government fanning the flames of terrorism to pump up its military budget, hold on to power and violate civil liberties. Why would Americans be interested in something like that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1019246,00.html

[orwell]

8. Shocking

Yet the Meiring affair has never been reported in the US press.

Shocking...

O

[maggrwaggr]

6. well, let's look at who's benefitted

the American media is pounding the message into us, in an election year, that Al Queda influenced this election.

Bush is trying to capitalize on that and it seems like he actually is because most people are falling for the bullshit.

Then again, the socialists in Spain benefitted hugely, so you could just as easily blame them.

Al Queda has benefitted, too, because now all Europe shakes in fear wondering if they'll be next.

We'll never know.

[goforit]

12. Ahhhh......would if * ordered alqueda to bomb just to pospone election,

but.........

It backfired and benifited the Spanish Socialist.

This would clearly show the " * think tanks" didn't do their homework

yet are trying to benefit from the mess anyway.


I find it appalling how they (*) are more concerned about the
election twist and condeming Spain now rather than being
genuinly sympathetic to the victim's families of this tragedy.

A heartless group indeed.

[AP]

7. If they were, they totally misjudged the results.

The CIA would never want to see Aznar's party out of power and wouldn't want to drive Spain into the arms of the EU.

[Timefortruth]

9. But it will give * a huge bump.

Since the media doesn't report that there was no Iraq-OBL alliance prior to the invasion the attack is playing perfectly for *. Spain's help was window dressing anyway so it's loss as one of the willing won't matter much to *, particularly when weighted against the huge benefit. Whether or not the US government had something to do with it, they benefited more than anyone from the attack, including the terrorists.

The irony that *'s whole campaign is based on terror but voters are scorned if they consider terror when they vote escapes all of the media.

[AP]

11. The media is just trying to make lemonaid out of lemons.

This is long-term bad for Bush. Aznar was his key to driving a wedge in Europe.

He only has Poland now, right?

[Timefortruth]

13. England

Now if Tony started seeing the light, or if the British people got rid of him, that would be a problem for the Boy King.

[AP]

23. Are you kidding? That would be 'mission completed' for Bush.

He would love to see Blair gone.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. There are worse default positions than "the CIA did it."

But plausible deniability means that, unless they get sloppy (read up on Michael Meiring blowing his legs off in Mindanao), a lot of the dirty work gets contracted out. See the mob, the Cubans and JFK, for instance.

That's, essentially, the role Al Qaeda serves, though I doubt few working for Al Qaeda suspect it: an arm's length agent provocateur for the strategic interests of the military-industrial complex in a post-Cold War world. Al Qaeda is an intelligence asset.


CIA agents meet bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, says French intelligence:

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro.

The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.

Bin Laden is reported to have arrived in Dubai on July 4 from Quetta in Pakistan with his own personal doctor, nurse and four bodyguards, to be treated in the urology department. While there he was visited by several members of his family and Saudi personalities, and the CIA.

The CIA chief was seen in the lift, on his way to see Bin Laden, and later, it is alleged, boasted to friends about his contact. He was recalled to Washington soon afterwards.>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html


From "When Osama bin Laden was Tim Osman", by J Orlin Grabbe:

Meeting Riconosciuto and Gunderson at the hotel were two representatives of the mujahadeen, waiting to discuss their armament needs. One of the two was named "Ralph Olberg." The other one was called Tim Osman (or Ossman).

"Ralph Olberg" was an American businesman who was leading the procurement of American weapons and technology on behalf of the Afghan rebels. He worked through the Afghan desk at the U.S. State Department, as well as through Senator Hubert Humphrey's office. Olberg looked after the Afghanis through a curious front called MSH—Management Sciences for Health.

The other man, dressed in Docker's clothing, was not a native Afghan any more than Olberg was. He was a 28-year-old Saudi. Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments.
http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm

[goforit]

14. Hmmmm......great links.

By chance do you think Mr. Osman may be still employed by
this present administration?

This is quite the evidence.

[9215]

20. Great stuff, also the doctor who

purportedly worked on OBL in Dubai refuses to talk to anybody about it. Forgot his name. I think he's a Canadian.

[9215]

21. Here is the docs name:

Doctor Terry Callaway

Also then CEO of American Hospital is named Bernard Koval.

[bhunt70]

15. I think if the governement had a hand in it they would pick a country

that didn't side with us, the reason being is that it would show the ruthlessness of the terrorists to attack enemies, and countries that didn't attack Iraq alike.

I think this was a genuine terrorist attack based on the fact that Spain did come to our side. Either that of the new leader set it up so he would win.

[mobuto]

16. No the Masons are responsible. Or maybe the Zionists

or maybe the International Communist Conspiracy.

Snore.

[9215]

22. zzzzzzz

:eyes:

[fedsron2us]

17. The whole affair stinks.

The organisation and execution of simultaneous attacks using mobile phones to detonate the bombs suggests a high degree of technical competence and professional organisation. Morrocan Islamic radicals may have executed the crime but they may be just stooges in a far more sophisticated and murky operation. The rather obvious clues - ie the van with the islamic tapes, the 'Al Qaida' claim of responsibility, the bomb that conveniently failed to detonate - do not tie in with the slickness of the rest of the attack. Everything points to a government intelligence agency somewhere in the world being behind the atrocity.

It is interesting that the French investigator who has tied Zougami to the Morroccan Islamic groups appears to be none other than Jean Charles Brisard co-author of the 'Forbidden Truth' one of the original 9/11 conspiracy stories

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040316/ap_on_re_eu/spain_bombings_48

He is suspected of spinning media stories for western intelligence agencies carrying out black operations.

[goforit]

18. Nothing like chaotic confusion , eh?

LOL!!!

[9215]

19. Al Qaeda worked, or works, for the CIA and

Halliburton in the Balkans (Google: Michel+Al Qaeda+CIA), why is it such a stretch to imagine the CIA did this deed.


<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/15/international/europe/15POLI.html>


Only last week several senior members of the administration said they fully expected that his conservatives would emerge victorious. In fact, months ago a senior adviser to Mr. Bush predicted that should a terrorist attack occur in Europe, it would probably drive the Europeans closer to the United States and its approach to the campaign against terror, not away from it.


This is similar to what Wolfowitz said would happen to the UN after it was bombed in Iraq. The Aussies after Bali. It is also the motive for Operation Northwoods. It worked for Australia jumping on the war wagon, but the UN did the opposite: they pulled out.

Bushboys bombing in Spain backfired. The use of an Emmanuel Goldstein requires an ignorant population, the world is starting to wake up to reality.