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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:54 PM
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Could the Spain election fiasco play into Bush's hands?
I've been wondering while it seems Alkyda is taking responsibility for last week and the public backlash at the people in power then, could this still be used to Bush's advantage?

For starters, maybe the Bush admin. could use this as a reason to hold off on the elections come November. THey could bump up the alert color and say that recent intel. has it that a major attack is in the works to try and throw our elections into turmoil as they did Spain.

Or, as we get closer to election time they start really hammering it home that if we vote him out now that's what al qaeda wants and we don't want to play into their hands.

Another attack does happen at home and the already stated reasonings are brought out of the box.

"We don't want to make the same mistake the Spanish did" could be a theme of theirs

I think some of this might have already been brought up here, if so sorry.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:57 PM
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1. Not anymore
Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 03:57 PM by rocknation
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:58 PM
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2. Fiasco?
went well from what I see.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 03:59 PM
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3. Maybe if the election was tomorrow
but nobody will remember this when they go to the polls in November. Asking Americans to think about something that happened in another country is a stretch to begin with.
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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:02 PM
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4. didd I not just see a post with Hannity suggesting this?
Wonder who put that idea in his head? Come to think of it, who put it in my head or Underpants head, all in the same 24 hours? Does the government have some type of subliminal thing going on?
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:06 PM
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5. it can't happen here
it can't happen here it can't happen here it can't happen here
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451525825/qid=1079471174/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-2270919-1464740?v=glance&s=books
ok. If I keep saying this to myself, will I feel better?
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Offshore Bush Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:10 PM
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6. The rightwing pundits and media
somehow get the same stories at the same time. There was a Bill Moyers program about this phenomenon a few weeks ago, but I missed it.
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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:12 PM
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7. somehow get the same story?
I would love to see tht Bill Moyers show. can't imagine how they do that.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:13 PM
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8. They will try to make lemonade out of it. But it's definitely lemons.
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lucidmadman Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:18 PM
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9. What fiasco?
I look forward to the day when the US has proportional representation in the legislature and instant run-off in the presidential races so I can vote Socialist.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:20 PM
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10. terry some red alert info about New Hampshire and NJ
http://nhpr.org/view_content/4615/

Jim Van Dongen, a spokesman for the Governor’s Office of Emergency Management, says the most noticeable would be a restriction on interstate travel:

Van Dongen/track 2/
Codered 1
The red alert, which is the highest level, would essentially mean a shutdown of the entire country for the duration – pretty much what you saw the evening of September 11, 2001 is what will happen. Air traffic shut down, marine traffic in and out, borders closed, all of that stuff would be shut down.

Residents would be able to commute to work.

http://www.nowarblog.org/archives/001365.html

As Sid Caspersen, New Jersey’s director of the office of counter-terrorism stated of code red: "You literally are staying home.... What we’re saying is, ‘Everybody sit down.’ If you are left standing, you are probably a terrorist'."

Here:
http://www.idaho.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/1387.php


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:22 PM
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11. Apparently Hannity just mentioned this happening.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:26 PM
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12. Does the government have some type of subliminal thing going on?
I don't know why I just thought of that.... or posted it, for that matter.
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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 05:43 PM
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14. are you makin' fun?
or are you makin' fun? :)
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 04:34 PM
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13. Last week, many DUers said no motive/no benefit - don't suspect bush
Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 04:48 PM by nu_duer
in any way had anything to do with those bombings. That kind of talk was making us look bad, and why would the bush gang do it anyway - there was nothing for them to gain from it. I'm not saying they are responsible, and I'm not saying they're not. I don't know, I doubt anyone outside "the undisclosed location" really knows. But was there motivation, was there something to gain? Yep.

This week, if you watch the network news, you'll hear over and over again how this election was a victory for the terrorists. I don't even have cable anymore and I've seen this repeated on broadcast network several times. Repetition works - ask any teacher.

Now what is the clear implication to our nation, just getting into the presidential campaign? Say you've fallen for the elections in Spain being "win for the terrorists." Is it really that big of a leap to then believe that by not voting for bush, you are handing a victory to the terrorists? Are some people logically (not) concluding that voting for Kerry would be voting for terrorism?

It plays right into rove's attempt to pump bush up on national defense, and tear Kerry down on the issue. At the same time you've got bush's ads saying Kerry voted against supplying troops in battle with what they needed. And the ads saying Kerry wanted to cut intel budgets. Its not the facts that matter so much as the perception to the average, drowsy American.

And what tool has the regime used more often than any other to manipulate support? Terror, fear. This goes right to that most base of emotions and motivational tools. We've seen it with 9*11, and anthrax and duct tape and orange alerts.

Now one, at least, of the right wing puppets is flat out saying that the elections should be postponed (until when, I wonder) if the US is attacked again. ?!?!?!??!?!?!

So yeah, I think the attacks/election in Spain could be a big help to bush in firming his "image" as a strong leader against terrorism. They can and are being spun to equate a vote for Kerry as a vote for terrorism. And if the polls aren't going the right way, they can be used as justification for cancelling the elections until the voting public learns its lesson.

Kerry needs to pop this ballon NOW, before it gets any further off the ground. Not with a blog, not with a town hall meeting - but in a big, dramatic way.

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