OMG! Hannity asked fi election should continue if we are attacked!

[slater71]

I knew it . They finally said it. At 3:25EST, Hannity said "If we are attacked before our election like Spain was, I am not so sure that we should go ahead with the election. We had better make plans now because it`s going to happen."
I almost drove off the road. This is what they are shooting for and they had him put this out just to see what kind of response he would get.7 These stinking slimy bastards must be stopped. How is it that they can "campaign" for Bush all day long with sponsers paying the way and not be violating campaign finance reform?

[donco6]

1. It's all in my tagline. eom

[Walt Starr]

2. I guarantee, if they cancelled the elections, it would be WAR!

I for one would never stand for it. Lincoln didn't stop elections during the middle of the Civil War and if it were ever going to happen, that was the time to do it.

There would be such an outcry that Civil War would DEFINITELY erupt!

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

7. If that happens, I'm ready to march

Just tell me what time and I'm ready to go, law school be damned!

[maggrwaggr]

53. march my ass! We're talking full scale revolt here.

There would be a populist coup. Riots, revolution.

[Sugarbleus]

99. I'm ready if it happens but

not all the people in the US even know what's going on, so count them out.

For sure the active, informed non-rw people would get pretty riled up. Not sure it would get very far because those on the right have the most and the biggest weapons.

Heck, I feel like we are at "civil war" stage right now. *hmmm, now where did I store that gas mask of mine???*

[TankLV]

154. Me, too.

And that would mean that bunkerboy and his gang of thugs would be fair game for ANY action as they would then be the enemy.

And I mean that with all that implies.

I would not sit by and "stew" in silence.

I would be cunning, and bide my time. And if the opportunity arises, they are all "fair game".

There could NEVER be a reason to cancel or postpone any elections.

And the 1st object of "resistance" should be the TV studios and the Hannitys.

[enki23]

13. there would be no civil war

the military would almost certainly side with the bush junta, and they know it. there'd be no war. most americans would probably cheer the new dictator on in the name of the "war on terra." the rest of us, for the most part, might demonstrate a bit. a few rocks thrown, maybe a few bombings. but mostly, we'd just sit and stew. or run for the border, if we thought it would do us any good.

[aquart]

20. Are you talking about our over-extended military that hates George's guts?

There aren't enough of them left in this country to support a coup with armed might. You'd need the governors and state militias to go along with it, and, in case you hadn't noticed, they hate Georgie, too.

If George halted the national election, state elections would also be up in the air.

The governor of each state would have to decide to follow the constitution or George.

[Malva Zebrina]

47. Does the military really hate Bush's guts?

I have not seen any evidence of that. I would like it to be true, but my impression is that the military demands of it's soldiers they support the CIC, no matter if it is an alien from outer space.

I really do not think the military is ready to coup George Bush. and that is really disheartening, given that so many are losing their lives in a fake war that was manufactured on lies in order to get the stuff Iraq has.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

59. I think you're completely wrong...some will continue to support Junior...

...but the rest are pretty pissed about the wars they're being asked to fight in the Middle East, the cuts in their benefits, and the poor medical treatment they're getting when wounded.

I really don't think that it's going to take much more for a civil war to break out.

[Malva Zebrina]

64. I hope you are right

but I still would not put my hopes on a military going against Bush.

[TankLV]

155. Yes they do. My partner's nieces and nephews are currently serving.

The moralle is horribly low, their opinions of bunkerboy and his gang of thugs is a match for mine, and there are many, many of them.

No one is reporting it, everyone is afraid to talk about it except to close family - for good reason.

I wonder if the reason all our family and friends are serving over there because this bunch of thugs knows that they would never fire upon american citizens if ordered to do so?

Private "Halliburton" armies of corporate goons for the USA shores?

[atreides1]

23. Don't Bet On It

That seems to be the myth going around, not all of the military supports this idiot and his PNAC cabal.

And even the sheep would finally wake up and realize what's going
to happen to them and their gun loving a**es.

Most of the BushCo military support comes from the officers, and they are heavily outnumbered by the NCO's and enlisted troops.

And let's not forget the veterans that are out here in the real world,
of which I'm one.

I'm not ready to give up, but I am ready to fight, if that's what it takes.

Anybody else?

[Kimber Scott]

34. I'm with you.

n/t

[Occulus]

139. I'll second that

I've been watching this stew cook to completion for some time now.

Dinner's almost ready.

[Sugarbleus]

105. My hubby is a V.N. veteran ... he and I are loosely

connected with Veterans for Peace. I read a piece, maybe it was on TV, where the VFW folks are furious at you and I for NOT supporting the prez--they equate that with NOT supporting the troops. Yikes!

Not all veterans are anti-bush, unfortunately.

[grannylib]

115. Are they aware that the Commander in Thief tried to cut their pay, on the

sly, in the middle of the night?? Are they aware that one of Halliburton's subcontractors in apparently serving hot meals to only some of the troops, not all those it is obligated to serve?? Are they aware of just HOW little this little imposter cares about ANYONE unless they are like him: rich, white, privileged, unaccomplished, miserable failures good only for padding their bank accounts at the expense of others.

[Sugarbleus]

118. I know, it's pretty twisted. I don't have any explanation for

the attitudes of some Vets. I can't even presume to guess either. I respect our military rank and file, I just don't think it's cool to send them into wars that are unnecessary or illegal. :shrug:

[grannylib]

129. Yeah it confuses me too...best we can do is to continue to try to educate

people with the truth and counter the little 'rah rah' meaningless feel-good slogans...people need to understand that they could feel even MORE 'rah rah' about America if we would live up to our potential for being peacemakers with as much zeal as we use our power to make war....

[Sugarbleus]

133. Well said GL.........n/t

[alfredo]

116. Our local VFW leader hates bush

So the national says one thing, but I don't think the rest will always follow suit.

[Sugarbleus]

117. Well, thats good to hear. Hubby was invited to a function at VFW but

was afraid to attend lest they stone him for his politics. Thanks.

[Jose Diablo]

146. If elections are suspended

My life, liberty and property would be useless to me. "Nothing left to lose" as it has been said.

Count me in, if those treasonous bastards suspend elections.

[mouse7]

42. Would be instantaneous reaction from NATO allies intel services

The leaders of Western European nations simply would not allow the world only military superpower and holder of the largest nuclear weapon arsenal to be taken over by an extremist dictatorship.
There may not be an obvious overt response to a cancellation of US elections, but the covert response from the intel services of the other countries of the world would be both instantaneous and massive. Foreign intel operations would immediately commence to re-stabilize the government in this country. They would re-stabilized our government by any means necessary.

[Djinn]

77. what would NATO do?

the world - and the VAST majority of US citizens would watch it happen just like they did when BUsh stole it - this time it'd just be "postponed in the interests of the American people's safety and freedom".

Sean HAnnity is a vile fascist - maybe he could go live in Saudi they also see "stability" as being more important than democracy.

Just the thought of his smug face and mock sincerity when he said this makes we want to :puke: and :puke: again

[Bandit]

44. There would be guerrila warfare

I would participate.

[Sugarbleus]

107. then there is ...

"monkey" warfare.................. tiny but effective.

[Walt Starr]

46. I guarantee you, they call off the elections, it's Civil War

No way will I stand for it nor would much of America.

[kodi]

50. and then al quada has won. they would have destroyed the USA

apparently, hannity is a traitor.

[Occulus]

141. Excellent point.

someone outght to call him on that one.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

54. Thats a good analogy, with Lincoln

Heck, the area around DC...Northern VA & MD...was a damn war zone...and there was guerilla activity in the border states.

No way should we tolerate the cancelling of a Presidential election.

[homelandpunk]

80. The military would fracture the first week, then full scale C.W. by winter

But since there would be no North/South physical, territorial definitions, anarchy would rule the cities. And I do not mean 60's style mayhem...I mean bloody, horrific anarchy. Balkan style atrosities. People who worship Bush as a dictator would try to kill me, and I would definitely try to kill them. There will be communities where people will acknowledge they used to be dem or repub, but to try to hold on to a normal life, they will agree that the community comes first, lay aside their politics for survival, and thus there will be safe communities, but safe only by a merciless, ruthless outer defense.
It would take time for encampments of pro-democracy, and pro-dictator factions to establish geographical positions. Unfortunately, nukes would be used very early, probably by both sides.
Hannity is only saying out loud what Cheney has already decided on.

[imax2268]

82. I got relatives up there...

so I'm set...

Hannity is a tool...

[Occulus]

142. Been reading some Titor material, eh?

:)

Seriously, I think you're right. The response by the people would be immediate, and I don't just mean the American people. Nations with nukes very well may decide to shoot first now that the most powerful nation on the planet is a dictatorship.

Hannity is a traitor. He is giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda.

Slam his ass in jail.

[fudge stripe cookays]

3. Christ, it's starting already.

Start checking into rental rates in Canada. Fasten your seatbelts ladies and gentlemen. It's going to be a bumpy couple of months.

[bluestateguy]

4. Maybe somebody can get an audio link to this

It may take awhile, but if somebody could do it, I think it would be helpful to us all.

[robertpaulsen]

76. Yes, someone PLEASE find a link.

Already at least two people on this thread are contradicting what Slater heard and are saying that Hannity never said that he supports stopping the election in the event of a terrorist attack.

However, even if Hannity never agreed with the sentiment, the very fact that the IDEA of stopping the election is being bandied about makes me believe this is a deliberate set-up by the GOP to soften up the populace for the eventuality of this happening in the future.

[belle]

145. We should make it a meme anyway. "Don't even think about it, slime."

Hammer him with it if he really said it. As in, "say what now? Yeah, you'd better fucking believe we're still going to have elections. WHY DO YOU BRING IT UP, HANNITY? ANSWER THE QUESTION, CLAIRE!"

[CO Liberal]

5. Looks Like They're Planning on Martial Law

The only way they can maintain power.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

104. REX84 allows FEMA and MILITARY to take over 'in time of war with

massive demonstrations and civil disobedience.'

They are ready to do it the hard way, at gunpoint and using all those concentration camps they've been maintaining for years.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
REX84 and FEMA Camps-CLICK

If local law enforcement can't control the streets, the military is authorized to use everything they've got at their disposal to subdue the population:

"This direct support of civil disturbance control operations is to be used by the Army, USAF, Navy, and Marine Corp. with an airlift force to be comprised of MAC Organic Airlift Resources, airlift capable aircraft of all other USAF major commands, and all other aerial reconnaissance and Airborne Psychological Operations. This is to include control communications systems, aeromedical evacuation, helicopter and Weather Support Systems.

If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters."

http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden/htm.
Operation Garden Plot-CLICK

That's right. Our own military has already been authorized to turn on us when the going gets weird.

Remember the truckloads of young Chinese soldiers trucked in from the countryside to squash the Tienamen Square protesters?

I've seen film of the people surrounding the trucks pleading with the child soldiers not to turn on their own people. For a while the soldiers are emotional and confused and they turn back. But after a few cycles of this, they come in the night and SLAUGHTER the protestors by the hundreds and thousands.

This is my fear of the draft. There will be enough new military to set on domestic resistance.

Be very afraid.

[Sugarbleus]

113. J.O.M. I've heard of something like this in another website.....

they called these plans 'similar to something called the "Phoenix" program which was run by the cia in Viet Nam.

This website claims there already are "holding" places around the country for "interrogation" and "other" purposes. I haven't looked at your links yet; just wanted to affirm some of what you said. I heard it from a retired, reformed "professional".

I am duely scared, thank you very much...;)

[Cat Atomic]

6. What kind of response did he get?

I'm curious. Did the chickenshit Hannity fans like the idea?

Also- have any other radio guys said this today? The script-readers (Hannity is the king of them), read from the same talking points. If they're all saying it, it's probably a talking point.

[BootinUp]

8. I like the way you have the exact time

of the traitorous remark memorized. Might come in handy.

[jfxgillis]

9. Actually, I agree with Hannity. Besides ...

... don't you think it's as least as likely that Bush would garner unwarranted support in such an event than that he would lose support?

Rally round the flag and all that?

I don't think there's any reason why Congress, repeat CONGRESS, shouldn't make contingency plans now.

[Caution]

10. They can't.

The date is mandated within the Constitution. Nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment woudl allow for an alteration of the election timing.

[robertpaulsen]

19. Hannity advocates trampling on the Constitution?!

Wow! Someone might consider that "unpatriotic"! Wonder what Toby Keith has to say about that!

[BOSSHOG]

25. Liberals wrap themselves in the constitution and burn the flag

Conservatives wrap themselves in the flag and burn the constitution. Yes Sean, deliver us from evil.

[jfxgillis]

40. Er. No it isn't. Read the Constitution.

The Constitutional dates are the terminal of the Executive term (January 20) and the counting of the Electoral votes (January 3, unless otherwise set by law).

The date of the election is set by statute.

[VolcanoJen]

69. No mention of a November Presidential election in the Constitution.

The Constitution affords Congress the right to name the date of the Presidential Election; the Presidential Term must, constitutionally, end on January 20th of the four-year term.

There is a rather obscure act in the 1800s that names the first Tuesday in November as the Presidential Election day, but such a date is not constitutionally mandated. I'm not sure of the name of the act; perhaps someone here could post it?

The only thing the Constitution insists is that the sitting President vacate office on January 20th, the end of his/her four year term. Congress could call the election whenever they wish, or simply suspend elections and refer to the Presidential Sucession Act of 1947, in which the current (January 4, 2005?) Speaker of the House becomes President...

[Stephanie]

11. Dick Morris (before Madrid): bush "needs to elevate sense of threat"

http://www.thehill.com/morris/030404.aspx

Dick Morris
The Political Life
March 4, 2004
How Bush can destroy Kerry fast

<snip>

But now, Kerry is a fair and inviting target. Bush has to zero in on him and push him to the left right now. Whether Kerry ever consorted with Jane Fonda is beside the point, but Kerry’s voting record is not.

Second, while his anti-Kerry ads are running, the president himself needs to make Americans understand that the war on terror is still atop our national agenda. He needs to elevate the sense of threat so that his advantage as a war president begins to count.

[BootinUp]

17. Disgusting slime ball

just the fact he articulates it, should be a punishable offense.

[Ravy]

78. In other words, Bush should support the terrorists???

Isn't their goal to heighten the fear? Isn't that why they are called terrorists?

[9215]

148. Good post Stephanie.

:thumbsup:

[PsychoDad]

12. I think this is the plan...

and it backfired in Spain.

Remember all the Bushco talk that came out and said, "if there was an attack in Spain the right would be assured the election"?

Well, what happened? There was an attack, but the backlash swung the other way.

I think the current plan is to have an attack in late October-early November... If the pols don't swing majorly for * then the election will be suspended in the interests of national security.

And Al Queda will have won.

[ChickMagic]

29. Do you happen to know when BushCo said this?

If you have a cite, that would be helpful. This is really frightening. :scared:

[PsychoDad]

111. Here is the Thread...

by rmpalmer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=422442

Only last week several senior members of the administration said they fully expected that his conservatives would emerge victorious. In fact, months ago a senior adviser to Mr. Bush predicted that should a terrorist attack occur in Europe, it would probably drive the Europeans closer to the United States and its approach to the campaign against terror, not away from it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/15/international/europe/15POLI.html

Makes me go "hmmmmm".

[maggrwaggr]

55. Al Queda my ass. That would be 100% proof of MIHOP

and we'd have GWB as dictator.

At that point, all bets are off.

All of them.

[Walt Starr]

90. I'm buying more guns this summer, mostly shotguns

I will also be stocking up on ammunition.

Shotguns are best. You only need to get close with a shotgun.

[montanacowboy]

14. Tommy Franks

said months ago in an article in Cigar Afficiando that if something happend here we would declare martial law and the elections would be cancelled - they have been floating it for a long long time

[BiggJawn]

94. Tommy said we would BEG bush for Martial Law....

Not Me.

[IkeWarnedUs]

134. Do you have a link?

Do you have a link or copy of the article?

[Cobalt Violet]

15. I don't think people will care.

It is exactly what they want. Then America will have another 4 yrs. of someone who was never elected! I can't believe we didn't have a civil war the 1st time. I have no faith that we will ever have one over what this buffoon does. I don't think many would really care sad to say. It seems to me too many in this country don't care at all.

[catzies]

41. Welcome to DU, Cobalt Violet!

Where People Care. :)

[BiggJawn]

95. Only 4 years?

Like there would be elections in '08? when he says "for th' duration of TWAT(tm)", he MEANS "for the duration". And if he can't defeat Terra, then there's always Jebbie, or Jebbie's boy, the back-seat hump-dawg...

[arcane1]

16. Tommy Franks was floating that trial balloon recently too

bastard even talked about suspending the Constitution and martial law

:grr:

fucking TRY it!!!!!!!!

[lutherj]

21. To be fair

If you read his statement in context he wasn't promoting the suspension of the constitution or martial law but concerned that this may be the consequence. Franks is on our side on this one.

[ButterflyBlood]

24. not really

while he wasn't neccesarily promoting supsending the Constitution, I wouldn't put him on our side. Check out this quote from the same interview:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/211103martiallaw.html

President Bush: “As I look at President Bush, I think he will ultimately be judged as a man of extremely high character. A very thoughtful man, not having been appraised properly by those who would say he’s not very smart. I find the contrary. I think he’s very, very bright. And I suspect that he’ll be judged as a man who led this country through a crease in history effectively. Probably we’ll think of him in years to come as an American hero.”

:puke:

[lutherj]

27. okay, I concede. . . .n/t

[arcane1]

28. true he was not actually making the suggestion himself

but he is far from our side.

[kalian]

32. He's not on our side....

where the hell do you get that from?
His comments were trial balloons to see if there would be an
outrage over such an event...and guess what, nobody blinked with
regards to his statements... Nobody cares.

[BiggJawn]

96. No he's not.

I don't trust him any farther than I could throw him. the Army Brass is INFESTED with Promise-Keeper Dominionists who see themselves as "Holy Warriors"...

[Rufus T. Firefly]

18. That's what they say the 2nd Amendment is for...

...to prevent government tyranny, and I'd say cancelling/postponing the election would count. So let's take them up on it.

[underpants]

22. Two GD threads discussing this happening

I didn't see either this thread or terryg's before posting mine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1240107

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1240150

[Gato Moteado]

26. i think it's time for a good old tar and feathering.....

mr hannity is first, with limbaugh, coulter and the rest of the human garbage to follow.

[kalian]

30. Sigh....

you know what, they're going to get away with it. Why?
because the American sheeple are 1) lazy and 2) cowards.
Enjoy the fourth reich...

[Kimber Scott]

38. Quit bashing the American people

In 2000, the American people elected a president, Al Gore. The election was stolen by a bunch of lying, crooked bastards. We will get our country back. Period.

We are not lazy and we are not cowards. There is a time and place for everything. Our time is coming.

[Djinn]

79. true

and there was NO popular reaction, save for moaning on websites - there was no "riot" then and there wouldn't be now.

It's not bashing the American people - I spend a heap of time here on DU coz I know there are many many many decent American's concerned with democracy and humane foreign policy. That doesn't mean the majority wouldn't bend over and take it - it's not an insult to ALL Americans - I think most Australians would too unfortunately.

[BiggJawn]

98. He wasn't talking about you.

He was talking about the lazy bastards who get all their news from FAUX, listen to Hate Radio and think it's the truth, aren't planning on voting because "Bush is gonna win anyway, he said so" and can't tell you who their Senator is, but can name EVERY person ever thrown off The Island.

Now if that describes you, I appologize.

If there weren't so MANY Sheeple in this country, the election would not have been close enough for the BFEE to steal in the first place.

I'm afraid that the only way we'll get that "time" to come is to pull the plug on everyone's "Reality Tee-Vee".

[AgadorSparticus]

136. i disagree. people are apathetic until their lives directly change.

their wallets are hit or they can't afford their weekly smokes, beer, or hotdog. when they can't enjoy their creature comforts, they will raise a stink.

[Zolok]

31. Not that I look forward to such situations...even in a hypothetical sense

But if the 2004 election was "cancelled" or "suspended" or "delayed"....then I think we'd have a real revolution in this country.
Or at least a very bloody civil war, neither Bush nor many of us would survive it.

www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com

[kalian]

33. Americans won't go to civil war....

they're too lazy...and to submissive.
If the government tells them to stay home, they'll do just that.
Sorry, I don't have much faith in the sheeple...

[kayell]

56. One of my coworkers down in here nice conservative SC was predicting

this morning that this country will soon be on the verge of revolution (he mentioned the french revolution) because of the economic inequalities. He's normally a very mellow sort, and this was the first time I had an inkling he even had a political bone in his body. His words re: bush were quite, quite strong.

Americans sat out the last coup because we just couldn't believe it was happening. Everyone desperately wanted to believe in our system, that it couldn't possibly be subverted. We've all now at 3 years of being slapped around by the horrible cold truth, and I don't think any but the hard core 'murkins that want a theocracy would sit still for suspended elections.

[maggrwaggr]

57. this American would

and I hope millions of others would, too.

[Joanne98]

58. I would

I'd rather DIE than be bossed around by freepers.

[AgadorSparticus]

138. maggr, I think you will get your wish. You def. WON'T be alone...

[Zolok]

86. With all due respect...

you are utterly and completely wrong.
Kalian, my advice is, if it happens IF...run don't wait for dawn...it will be a slaughter for the ages.
There is no nation on earth with more pent up potential for violence than the U.S. a few shpworn institutions keeps it all in check...when they go....
BOOM!
Not that any of use will profit by it....no but neither then will La Famiglia Arbusto.

www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com

[Catt03]

35. I think Hannity's statment is appalling.

I am going to send this to my US Representative, Robert Wexler (D) FL. He will hit the roof.

Good question about the RW talk radio banannas and campaign finance reform. How can they get away with that?

[BabsSong]

36. I think the people would catch the slight flaw in logic

If, say, something went "boom" again in NYC, why the hell should the guy in Des Moines, Iowa (and days later to boot) not vote??? Actually, why the hell should the guy in up state New York not vote?? Al Qaeda is going to have to get a hell of a lot more creative if they are going to blow up every city in the US at once!!! Trust me, someone in California seeing that troops are on the street and they can't vote because Bush is heading to NYC with a goddamn bullhorn again isn't just going to sit there a say, "hey, dude, does that mean Bush just automatically rules for ever"! In fact, honey, the effect on the markets would mean that Wall Street would put out a contract on GWB!!!!!!!!

[Chelzek]

89. If the thing that goes "boom"

is a nuke, you can pretty much cancel New York states electoral votes for a couple decades. New York state would not exist anymore. No one would dare go near it unless they wanted to die a slow painful death. I find it amusing you believe a person in upstate new york would be voting. Hell, even the surrounding states might suffer effects.

Incase anyone thinks nukes are a joke - here is an excerpt from the book Nuclear War, Nuclear Winter C 1987 by Gene Williams. Pay attention to the last line.


“"Little Boy," exploded 1,000 feet (300 meters) above Hiroshima, caused the surface temperature to jump to well over 5,000 degrees almost instantly. Citizens more than two miles (3 kilometers) from the blast were burned.

The force of the explosion annihilated everything within more than a mile of the center. Photographs were taken showing where "shadows" had been burned into concrete walls; the humans who were the sources of the shadows had been completely vaporized.

It has been estimated that nearly 60 percent of the population of Hiroshima died either instantly or within a few weeks. Many more died later. Even today, more than forty years after explosion, the effects are still showing up. The children of the survivors continue to carry the "radioactive plague.

Yet "Little Boy" was very small compared to the warheads presently available.”

[midnight armadillo]

147. 200,000 casualties

About 50,000 immediately, the rest followed from injuries, radiation poisoning, etc... The firebombing raids on Tokyo and other Japanese cities had a kill rate of about 10 percent, in contrast.

[Timefortruth]

37. Freepers are split on this issue.

Should the US have elections if attacked?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1099072/posts

They don't mention Hannity so I can only assume that the question came up because of that show. The majority think elections are a good idea, but there is a sizable minority who think they should be postponed.

[robertpaulsen]

48. That conservative majority would turn in a second...

if Bush actually went ahead and did it. The few who did support it are the future Brownshirts awaiting the American Reichstag fire. Anyone else here thinking of taking a Canadian vacation in October?

[Skittles]

75. Wouldthey be saying that if a Democrat was president ???

WHORES

[leyton]

81. I like this one freeper's comment...

"To: Voteamerica
Should we suspend elections in case of a SARS epidemic?

Should we suspend in case of NFL strike?

10 posted on 03/16/2004 1:37:46 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic "

Hee...

[Catherine Vincent]

39. That reminds me of what a C-Span caller said,

he said he believed in his heart that the Democrats will orchestrate a terrorist attack and kill Americans to make fortunate son look bad, that way Kerry can waltz in the White House. That guy was serious too. What a twisted repuke. He must think Democrats are as evil as republicans.

[TNOE]

43. This inspired my LTEE - steal away if you wish.

Americans could learn a lot from Spain. Despite a terror attack on the eve of their election, they stood up for democracy, held their election and voted out their President who ignored their millions of voices against the war and demanded answers as to who it was who attacked them. They came out in the streets in the millions. Americans unfortunately did no such thing, we allowed the Patriot Act and the suspension of our liberties. In the words of Donald Trump, I hope America yells loudly and collectively this election “Bush You Lied - You’re Fired”.



On a side note - after 9/11 I was talking with one of my Repub co-workers and I said "so it begins" - he knew I was on the trail hunting up evidence that the gov was involved - and I said then - watch, he's in for life, there will never be another election - and he said oh no, trust me - if something like that were to happen - the Republicans would be right out in the street with you. Hmmm, maybe the smart ones.

[StopThief]

45. That's not true.

When discussing the elections in Spain, Ted Koppel said that an agreement should be made ahead of time by both candidates as to whether or not there should be a delay in case of a major terrorist strike. Hannity said that he thought the election should be held as scheduled no matter what, and Koppel agreed.

[LTR]

49. Does 'Scrappy Doo' even think before he opens up his mic?

Some American he is. Geez!

We had two elections during WWII, and that didn't harm us. Roosevelt even died during his term, and the war was over within two months afterward.

I think Scrappy Doo Sean is dipping into Rush's private stash. Along with burying his nose in his hind quarters.

[maggrwaggr]

51. I, and others here, predicted this long ago

and it looks like they're considering it.

Getting us used to the idea.

Hell, SELLING the idea.

Okay (deep breath). If they do that, it's revolution. That's all there is to it.

Revolution.

[Joanne98]

52. I just e-mailed him

Told him that if you Nazi scumbags try to stop this election for any reason, you'll have a civil war on your hands. I dared him to try it and called him a chickenhawk. Bring it on.:)

[Guaranteed]

83. Good for you.

:)

[spanone]

60. US civil war ...people would not stand for it. No. Never.

[jansu]

61. Terrorist Alert RED allows for this, because you have 24 hour curfew...

Can't go out of your house, can't hold the election. "Trust us, as soon as it is safe and we have caught all the terrorist, we will hold the elections," Bush and gang. Never mind that we told you that this is a never ending war!

[BiggJawn]

100. They better have the local GOP delivering groceries, then....

I got about 5 days worth, after which, ReTHUGlican steak is gonna start looking mighty good....

[jansu]

114. I agree & I'm a vegetarian!

[dudeness]

62. orwell wrote it...we live it..

>>

[RetroLounge]

63. If there were a civil war

Lawyers would be safe, The RW media would die first...

not that I am condoning that...

[struggle4progress]

65. Boycott advertisers ...

who support programs calling for an end to democracy. News story needed.

[Timefortruth]

66. Great Iraq lies report!

Here it is all in one place. Bookmark this link, it's footnoted and everything. Here's a sample:

A. Statements that Iraq Posed an Urgent Threat
On February 5, 2004, Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet categorically stated that the U.S. intelligence community “never said there was an ‘imminent’threat.”7 Yet this was not the impression conveyed by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary Rumsfeld, Secretary Powell, and National Security
Advisor Rice in their public statements on Iraq. In 10 different appearances, these five officials made 11 statements claiming that Iraq posed an urgent threat.
For example:

• President Bush stated on October 2, 2002: “the Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . t has developed weapons of mass death.”8
• President Bush stated on November 20, 2002: “Today the world is . . .uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq.”9
• Vice President Cheney stated on August 26, 2002: “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.”10
In one instance, Secretary Rumsfeld said that Iraq could give weapons of mass destruction to al Qaeda in “a week, or a month,” resulting in the deaths of up to 100,000 people. On November 14, 2002, Secretary Rumsfeld stated:
Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years, or a week, or a month, and if Saddam Hussein were to take his weapons of mass destruction and transfer them, either use them himself, or transfer them to the Al-Qaeda, and somehow the Al-Qaeda were to engage in an attack on the United States, or an attack on U.S. forces overseas, with a weapon of mass destruction you’re not talking about 300, or 3,000 people potentially being killed, but 30,000, or 100,000 . . . human beings.”11
B. Statements about Iraq’s Nuclear Capabilities In their potential for destruction and their ability to evoke horror, nuclear weapons are in a class by themselves. As Dr. David Kay, former special advisor to the Iraq Survey Group, testified on January 28,2004: “all of us have and would continue to put the nuclear weapons in a different category. It’s a single weapon that can do tremendous damage, as opposed to multiple weapons that can do the same order of damage. . . . I think we should politically treat nuclear as a difference.”12
______________________________________________________________
8 White House, President, House Leadership Agree on Iraq Resolution (Oct. 2, 2002).
9 President Bush Speaks to Atlantic Youth Council, CNN (Nov. 20, 2002).
10 White House, Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention (Aug. 26, 2002).
11 U.S. Department of Defense, Secretary Rumsfeld Live Interview with Infinity CBS Radio (Nov.14, 2002).
12 Testimony of David Kay, former special advisor to the Iraq Survey Group, before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Hearing on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction and Related Programs (Jan. 28, 2004).

And there is so much more!

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/

[VolcanoJen]

67. Here's a scenario: Article II, Section I of the Constitution states:

"The Executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years."

So, essentially, the Supreme Court could tell the Chief Executive, on January 20th or so, you must leave office. To hold office longer than four years is unconstitutional.

The White House would have no other choice than to secede the office. Constitutionally, the current Speaker of the House (per the Presidential Sucession Act of 1947) would become the President on January 20th.

Now, here's a scenario: Dennis Hastert becomes the 44th President. He names George W. Bush as his vice-president under the privileges afforded him by the 25th Amendement. Then, as soon as Bush is approved by the Congress, Hastert resigns. Under the 25th Amendment, George W. Bush becomes the 45th President, appointing a new vice-president.

(Remember: Ford/Rockefeller were never elected, but rather, both were appointed to their offices.)

It just can't happen, my friends. And if it did, we will, as we always have, take to the streets.

ON EDIT: There is one more scenario. A new Speaker of the House is chosen on January 3rd, 2004. If the people rebelled against the suspension of the Presidential Election, and voted in a Democratic Congress, it is quite possible that Nancy Pelosi could become the 44th President...

[VolcanoJen]

73. Also, don't forget that the States can assign Electors any way they wish.

Article II of the Constitution states that "Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors.

Although currently, each state legislature agrees that the electors will be determined by the popular vote of a presidential election, they are constitutionally free to change that to any manner they choose.

A state legislature could hand this power over to the governor of the state, for example. Electors really aren't bound by any particular national election date.

[BiggJawn]

101. He suspends the election, just a few more pen strokes...

...takes care of that pesky Constitution....

When has this bunch EVER followed the Law if it didn't suit them?

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

68. slater71

Argh. You put in quotes something that was never said, nor implied, and all responses are treating it as fact. I HATE when the right does that to us.

As posted earlier, Ted Koppel said both sides should agree now what should happen if an attack takes place. Hannity and Koppel agreed that elections should go forward. Koppel was the one who even brought it up.

Lets beat them by posting facts. Hate for this to be my first post, but I was listening to hannity to hear what gibson had to say about bush, and what slater is saying was said, and what everyone is reacting to was NEVER said.

[txprog]

70. Mike Gallagher was talking about it last night...

He's one of the worst. His show originates in Dallas and is syndicated to some extent. He was talking about this very subject at great length last night.

[The Night Owl]

72. ... which is scary considering that...

... conservative talk radio gets its marching orders directly from the GOP and the White House.

A trial balloon is definitely afloat in the airwaves.

[Catholic Sensation]

88. Mike Gallagher is an idiot who assails others patriotism

that fucking trait--, asshole, thinks John Kerry is a traitor, and claims that Bush's service in the National Guard is more honorable than Kerry's service in the Navy. He shouldn't be the sixth most listened to talk show host.

[KamaAina]

71. Did the elections go on in Spain? Why, yes they did.

A mere three days after "Spain's 9/11", they went on.

Turns out the Spanish people were outraged at being lied to by "Mr. Anzar" </bushism> and his "all ETA, all the time" cover-up. So, they booted the warmongering fascist out of office and sent him back to his pig farm in Craw -- uh, Zaragoza or wherever. :-)

Can't have that much democracy here in the Land O' the Free, now can we? </sarcasm>

[Ksec]

74. stopping elections. What a truly fascist idea...

but one would expect this from foxs poster boy.

[Catholic Sensation]

84. convo i had with conservative friend about this

NeoProgressiveNC: sean hannity asked on his radio show if elections should be stopped in case we're attacked
NeoProgressiveNC: how american
obxwpckr4Him: it was prolly colmes hackin in
NeoProgressiveNC: your idiotic retort indicates you don't agree

[Calico Jack Rackham]

85. Guess what..

Hannity mentioned it again tonite while talking to Dennis Ross.

God I really have to stop watching this crap. My ulcer is acting up

[Darranar]

87. Brooks voiced a similar opinion in the New York Times. n/t

[moondust]

91. I'd guess it's their fallback plan.

After they've tried every other swindle and lie conceivable and they still see they are going to lose they'll reach into their bag of tricks and pull out a big bomb. This time it will "happen" in California, probably San Francisco.

[murielm99]

119. I have been saying it will be San Francisco for a long time.

[BiggJawn]

92. My favourite quote from Dr. Gene Scott....

"Told you so!"
"Yep, didn't I tell you? Told you so.....Now play some some music..."

(The University Network, the day after the Jimmy Swaggart scandal broke)

Told you so, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...."Oh, man you're so FOS, your tinfoil hat on a little too tight? They'd NEVER suspend the Election..."

"Told you So."

Drop by the Gungeon, after you finish your crow, they'll tell you what you'll need to have for the upcoming "Troubles".....

And thanks for the heads-up, Hannity. Bet Karl and Unka Dick chewed your ass good for letting that slip....
Hell, this bunch is so sure of themselves they probabaly jizzed themselves laughing when he said it.

[DaveSZ]

93. .

Do you see why the Second Amendment is important now?

[PsychoDad]

112. We will be armed with Shotguns...

They will have tanks and helicopters...

We will be the palastinians.

[BiggJawn]

123. Forkin' A, man!

"The 2nd Ammendment-It's not just for Freepers..."

[SarahB]

97. I don't put it past them

After all they're either on the "side of God" or they're greedy M.F.'s interested in holding on to as much cash as they can keep, be damned the rest of humanity. Scary stuff.

[Faygo Kid]

102. "The last, best hope of Earth" - A. Lincoln. Will we let it be over?

There is no more slavish mouthpiece of the GOP than Sean Hannity. I am not sure where to start, except we had better wake up. He takes his talking points directly from Rove, and his riches will exceed Limbaugh's (who Rove has decided is to much of a loose cannon). It is just starting. I fear there will be no election in November, for the first time in American history. I also predict that one or two Supreme Court justices will die of old age ailments or disease. And they will be the ones hanging on to our nation's heritage. Thomas, Scalia and Rehnquist have nothing to worry about.

[IronLionZion]

103. And that surprises you?

That's what I expect from the Bush campaign...er Sean Hannity

[Faygo Kid]

106. No. No. No. Yes, I expect it from Bush. But it's MY nation, dammit!

Yeah, we can be cynical. But the fact that this drumbeat in this media age is starting this early ought to give even the most radical DUers pause. The Roves and Hannitys are getting out in front of us, because we cannot believe to what lengths they will go. Start believing. Now. This goes beyond the worst president ever (a given). This is something we have not seen before.

[IronLionZion]

110. Well absolutely

we have to fight this thing now. Getting our voice on the national media is clearly an uphill battle. We have to make it very clear that America is not 1933 Germany, we must have elections every four years with no exceptions. No matter how many people get killed, hell if there is a nuclear attack, there better still be elections. If not, then the terrorists win.

[kayell]

128. If we don't make it 100% clear

that there are elections no matter what, then we will have guarunteed a terror event if *s polls are less than they want. I agree that if no elections, the terrorists win. And I'm not talking AQ here.

[Blueshift]

108. Hannity is a big piece of shit and doesn't deserve the oxygen he breathes.

Something big will happen like a week or two before the election, it'll be postponed (or cancelled altogether), and martial law will rule the country.

Wouldn't suprise the fuck out of me. I hate those God damn pieces of shit republicans.

[lostnfound]

109. Just bubble-wrap the continent and be done with it..

Is the idea that elections should be insulated from 'outside' influences??

Or maybe 'the people are frail and shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about it'?

[Champ]

120. I was wondering something about a few months ago

I was wondering if their was another attack on this country or something else big, the gop would bring out talking points such as this is no time to have an election after a national tragedy basically giving Bush more time an office.

[kera]

143. it is scary

do you remember just after the 11 September, Julian tried to hold on to office .many were advocating the postponing of elections. that has been a rehearsal of this kind of scenario already

[Roon]

121. Grab your hat, grab your gun

report to General Washington...

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

122. link?

I've searched for a link of this conversation, and I can find nothing. I am telling you all again that it never happened the way it is being reacted on.
Koppel said that Kerry and Bush should agree now what the procedure would be if their were to be an attack. Koppel and hannity both said elections should go on. I guess they think the terrorists should know that we have already agreed that elections will happen regardless.

oh.. the funny part of it was that hannity kept saying that koppel was in Iraq, and he was bragging about the interview from iraq! The second koppel got on the phone, he says, (loosely quoted), "im not in iraq, thats dan rather that is in iraq"!! hahahaha! what a dummy!!

Anyway, Ive been reading here for a long long time, and have relied on you all for so much understanding and info. Ive learned tons, which is why I really hate to see the original poster of this, put something in quotes as fact, when it was never even said, nor implied.

florencedollar

[Caution]

125. i believe the original poster

said it happened on Hannity's radio show, not on his Faux show.

[tlcandie]

151. Thanks, but it seems that everyone is too worked up to hear your truth:/

nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

124. I've been warning this board and anyone else about this possibility...

...and that it is very possible if the NeoCons feel the power slipping away.

We are in very dangerous times, my friends.

[oc2002]

126. ..AND Then THE MARTIANS WILL LAND and take over!

okay people, calm down, take a deep breath, come back to reality here.....there, there, thats better.

..there are no green little men or pink elephants with wings outside..

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

127. Could Shrub declare Marshall Law?

Is that too far fetched?

[cclark401]

130. We'll have our elections

and * will loose! They want to scare us to death, they want to take away our jobs, they want to make the wealthy more wealthy but they will never get away with a dictatorship!

I agree with an earlier poster, we don't have enough soldiers here to "control" the people. As far as Hannity's crap---most people will follow only to a point.

[thingfish]

131. kik

j

[Endangered Specie]

132. Heil Hannity

No elections... lets see them just try

[opihimoimoi]

135. So they chose Sean to send the trial Baloon up, to see the reaction

of this very scarey notion of suspended elections.

America is going the way of the "Banana Republics"? A palace coup?
Suspend elections as they did in too many Countries/Nations? And they first thing the citizens find out, once the bastards take over in the coup fashion, its So hard to get rid of them. Go ask Iraqis, Argentinians, Germans, Italians, etc etc.

Sean asks this cause he got a cushy IN spot with the Pubs. History will not look kindly on him, Billy O, and Rush..... and that wiener guy too... amongst others.

[AgadorSparticus]

137. there would be a civil war. i will not stand for it either.

this is too much. even my hard core republican father would never agree with something like this.

[kera]

140. Dud where is my Country?

You have scared the hell out of me !

[Dogmudgeon]

144. Scenario: Bush and the Neo-Cons lose BIG

It would be impossible for Team Bush and his neo-con catchfarts to win in the case of a breakdown in American social cohesion.

Assume Bush declared martial law after a terror attack. First of all, the attack itself would cause economic turmoil, depending on its size. Even a Hiroshima-class nuke in central NYC would wipe out a huge amount of the financial capability of the USA, not to mention broadcasting, computing, data warehousing, diplomacy (the UN), and shipping. If it's a nuke, economic hell will break loose; if it's something on the order of the Madrid bombings, or 9/11 -- or even some series of disasters with 30,000 deaths -- it will be easier to contain, but will still shake the economy badly.

In simpler terms: NO MONEY.

So Bush announces himself as the Maximum Leader, and Freepers are organizing into Death Squads. What side do you think the people will be on? The economy a shambles, transportation at a standstill, no electricity, reduced running water, food unavailable, few radio stations, all news under Bush/Clear Channel management ... rent would still be due, though, you can bet on it.

The military would face mass desertion; they couldn't even keep track of it, since so many soldiers would be effectively tied down by curfews, violence, and inability to get transportation. Who would they say deserted?

Then, at the first sign of weakness, the "sheeple" that Bush holds in such contempt would turn on him the way the Italian peasantry turned on Il Duce. In about three days, you wouldn't be able to find anyone who owns up to having ever registered Republican, let alone being Freepers or other activists. A countersurge of violence would begin. Historians call it the Thermidor Reaction, after the French Revolutionary month (mostly July) when Robespierre and The Terror were deposed.

After a new government was formed, or re-established, our political parties might be the Democratic, Socialist, and Green parties.

Do you think the Republican Party and the neo-cons want this to happen? They probably already know they couldn't tough out a collapse like this. This is the equivalent to setting off a small explosive charge so that seismologists can study the inner structures of the Earth. Team Bush is fine-tuning the engine of its war machine. You can almost hear it hum.

--bkl

[chicagojoe]

149. Patriots will rise up...

...and revolt. Those who get in the way of this revolt will pay the price. The wrong-wing circus clowns such as HANNITY will wind up as martyrs for their "cause". Anyone backing a cancellation of free elections in our nation must be deleted with extreme prejudice.

[BloodyWilliam]

150. Is that's not sarcasm,

Then you're a troll. Or a COINTELPRO spook. Or just plaing fucking nuts.

Some people here are being a bit extreme, but at this point I think we should be prepared for anything. We shouldn't look forward to any sort of Republican pogroms, but we should be aware of chaos if and when it arrives.

I personally think it'll go like Babylon 5. A disaster, a slowly building propaganda war, a terrified populace, then BAM- martial law across the country with a majority wondering what the hell happened.

I'm not as cynical as thinking a nuke will go off around here (dear lord, I hope not), but I'm also not all that optomistic that the American people will really act.

Either way, things are gonna be real fucking interesting over the next 9 months.

As for violence, I think we shouldn't be cleaning our shotguns just yet. We should be a bit scared and worried, but everyone here should remember that it's only right to pull the trigger when you can see the enemy's gun. And that's NOT a metaphor.

The last thing this country needs is an Americanized French Revolution.

[chicagojoe]

153. Well, BloodyWilliam, maybe I'm nuts, but...

...I'm not gonna stand around and take their crap. Martial law being declared will only cause the biggest battle on American soil, EVER!
There are those of us in this country that possess the courage of conviction to protect our freedoms at any cost to ourselves. Now this may sound like "militia nut-case" rhetoric, but there is no way that we can sit quietly and let ANYONE, especially other Americans hijack control of this nation.

As for me being a "troll", or a "COINTELPRO" spook, you're wrong on that. I'm just a progressive that would rather see peace and prosperity. On the other hand, I will protect my freedom and YOURS, by any means necessary.

[TankLV]

157. I agree with you 100%. I will be prepared to do the same.

And I am a PATRIOT, hardly a troll.

Just let them try!

[tlcandie]

152. Well, they are preparing for something just what we can't say.. BUT

it's proven that Cheney has had some gigantic diggings/remodelings going on UNDERGROUND at his home according to those living around him and it is secret!

You can bet they will do everything within their power to WIN or TAKE this election illegally. They did it once and will do it again. Nothing was even fixed from last time. And the reaction was mild, in their minds I'm sure. Heck even Gore did not bring lawsuits, etc., to get to the bottom of it! (I voted for Gore and liked him BTW)

They use all the dirty secrets of dictators; they are crooked; they lie; they cheat; they steal. They have been amassing wealth for years now and so they will always be okay economically. They can live below ground or wherever and rule us from the ethers as long as there are people who will follow them.

There is the new noise gadget that makes people conform to what you want them to do. Interesting it is being brought out now for use.

We've seen the NAFTAA event militarized in Miami and its outcome. The fact is it is PAID mercenaries and corporations who now supply a lot of this militia stuff for the US. We can't forget that.

They have illegal sources for income, weapons and such...remember Iran/Iraq Contra and there's more along with massive amounts of drugs that are raking in the $$$ for them.

They managed to shut down all air traffic on 9-11 with the exception of private flights for the Bin Laden families, so they can do that once again for their loved-ones moving them to places of safety during or right before.

The RNC in NY will be a PRIME target to kill thousands of leftists/ liberals/democrats, etc. if the repukes don't show up or change their venue at the last moment due to TERRORIST intelligence.

When * was inaugurated there was a system to detect bio-terrorism in place. Did anyone know that? I can't recall where I read that, but it was mighty interesting.

They have access to anthrax and any number of viruses, bacterias, etc. that they can release w/o nukes and would be just as devastating but in a different way.

There are many options and we must keep our eyes and ears open. I would say closely watch and monitor they and their families movements about 6 months prior to the election. Wasn't Asscroft told not to fly except private planes as of June 2001? So, maybe 4-6 months or so.

See if Pickles and the daughters, Mom and Poppy, Cheney's daughter and wife take vacations, etc.

I do not put anything past them. Making an informed decision and one that is intelligent with thought out benefits versus weighing the odds? Don't count on it. I've seen nothing that has come from this cabal that would show anything except blind greed/lust for power... everything else takes second place.

People who operate by their motives are not reasonable, thinking people. So, IMO, all the well thought out nays about why it wouldn't work doesn't fit the MO of this cabal.

Anything is possible.. ANYTHING! Don't live in fear or panic, but be informed and make your plans ahead of time with family/friends, etc. as to what to do or where to meet up, how to contact each other just in case something does happen!

My motto: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!

[tishaLA]

156. He JUST asked George Will the same thing

and WIll said "that's not even something we need to talk about. We had elections in 1862 at the height of the bloodiest civil war ever seen. We will have elections and we don't need to discuss this." Poor Sean said "yeah, well, I think it's still important to have the debate." What a putz.