Bush cannot allow the election in 2004.

[9215]

I just don't see how he can allow it. With all the fecal matter coming down on his adminstration his only hope for survival is to stay in power.


The bombing in Spain had the opposite effect expected.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/15/international/europe/15POLI.html>


Only last week several senior members of the administration said they fully expected that his conservatives would emerge victorious . In fact, months ago a senior adviser to Mr. Bush predicted that should a terrorist attack occur in Europe, it would probably drive the Europeans closer to the United States and its approach to the campaign against terror, not away from it.

If you remember Wolfowitz had a similar take on the UN's reaction to the bombing in Baghdad in ~August 2003, he was wrong too. The Bali bombing had the desired of effect of bringing the Aussies on board.

Unifying people in fear was the primary goal of Operation Northwoods. Poppy even tried restarting hostilities with Hussein as he declined in the polls in August or so of '92.




Now Hannity is talking about the possibility of stopping the elections if the US is attacked.


The end game attitude of Bush indicated by the blatant disregard for the law and public will with his unilateral attack on Iraq is anothe indicator that he intends to end democracy. He doesn't care about winning that war or any other war, just in starting them and being a "Chaos Capitalist" both in the fighting and in the aftermath. Then we have Cheney saying to Sect. Treasury O'Neill "deficits dont' matter". The seeming agenda is to bankrupt the US government and let the Biblical Reconstructionists, who coincidently are involved in ownership of the voting machine industry (google ahmanson+chalcedon+voting), work their majic on turning the country into a fascist theocracy (redundant).

[daveskilt]

1. Hannity wishes...

as it becomes more clear Kerry could win in a landslide they are all spinning dream scenarios that keep chimp on the throne with his grand vizier Rove's hand up his arse.

[Shopaholic]

2. Why bother stopping the election when they can just steal it again?

See the new Vanity Fair out this month--it's got a great article on the electronic voting machines and how vunerable they are to being hacked.

[daveskilt]

3. Nader wins!!!!

now that would take some serious hacking

[Faygo Kid]

9. Right doesn't need him to win. Just run.

New York Times has him at 7%. That's enough for him to do it again. Saw my first right-wing Bush-Nader bumper sticker today. Have to give them credit for a sense of humor, and for getting it right.

[BradCKY]

54. I doubt he will REALLY get that

He only got 3% in 2000 and that will likely be MUCH lower because people who voted for him have seen the president we have now.

[IkeWarnedUs]

58. How about if Nader just wins Florida and Texas

Not as much to hack, enough to offset Diebold's effect on the election, prove the vulnerablity of the machines and would be funny as hell.

[Mountainman]

15. Why couldn't we hack them to detect someone else hacking them?

[9215]

32. You can get in trouble for stealing, but not stopping. IMO

What Bush has been able to do is hide who is responsible for terrorist attacks. There is a growing body of evidence to show the Al Qaeda link to the Intelligence Community but it still is not near mainstream in the US. So any attack will still be largely considered to be by Al Qaeda without people knowing Al Qaeda's links to the US Intelligence Community. If he can declare Martial Law then he will be able to ratchet down inquiring minds and eyes even further and call a halt to the election process.

Just some thoughts.

[LDS Jock]

20. anyone have a link

with Hannity's comments listed? I missed it, want to read it and send it around to people. Thanks for any help.

[imax2268]

37. hey ldsjocktx

you can probably find a transcript on Foxnews.com in a day or two...maybe even a few hours...

[For PaisAn]

4. Bush will not relinquish the throne

They have any number of ways and will use all of them. Unless there is a revolution, Bush will remain in power.

[maveric]

21. I try not to be too cynical but I feel the same way. He wont give up the

throne that easily. He/PNAC have too much invested in his reign. They rigged an election to get their boy there and I cant see them going quietly.
It'll be either Diebold, an attack that would win him the election, or an attack and a suspension of election/martial law.
John Kerry is poised to win this one, possibly by a landslide and Poppy and his facist PNAC buddies will do all they can to make sure junior doesnt go down like he did.

[gate of the sun]

31. well this is a good point

and if Kerry wins will you question why? I think they will let Kerry win. That's my assumption. It's not so much that the PNAC has to have GW in charge as to have there agenda put forth.

The way I see it is there are 3 possibilities

they will steal the election
they will stop the election with some "terrorist" action
they will let Kerry win.

They are not going to drop there agenda....

Latley they have (the media) that is....have let it come to the public's attention more and more what a liar and a fuck up Gw is leading me to believe that they are going to let gw lose.

I think they are satisfied that Kerry will perform well enough for them. I'm sorry I know this statement will piss people off but this is what I believe.

If I am wrong I suppose we will have some sort of attack on this country or a stolen election. Any of these 3 alternatives suck and I really don't see another possibility at this point.

[For PaisAn]

35. Me too

I try very hard not to be too cynical but reality is reality. They will attack this election from all fronts. With so many methods we won't be able to cover everything.

We will be watching Florida but my Mom says, watch California (and elsewhere). There was much more to that recall than just getting Davis out and a repug in as governor. Recently Arnold has been spouting how he can really see California going to Bush in this election. Planting seeds so when it "happens" it's not unexpected.

Add all the dirty tricks from 2000:
absentee ballot fraud.
voter purges - yes they're still doing them in Florida.
now electronic voting with no paper receipt- no chance for manual recounts this time.
Etc., etc.

3 October (or sooner) Surprises - finding WMD's in Iraq, catching Bin Laden, another terrorist attack on US soil.

Supreme Court - nuff said

Majority in Congress & Senate if it gets to a dispute over the electors

That's just off the top of my head.

Sorry, but.

"John Kerry is poised to win this one, possibly by a landslide..."
Yes he is but winning and becoming president are two different things. Gore won and look who's in the White House.

Well, I just depressed myself. That's pretty bad when that happens.

One last thing...during the Texas primary Democrats were turned away from their polling places and told that location was for Republican voters only. Of course no one could tell these Democratic primary voters where they needed to go. I thought "How odd that they would do this during the primary, wouldn't they save it for the GE?" Someone wisely suggested ( my Mom again)that this was like a red herring of sorts. Give us a problem that we will watch for in the GE, as a distraction, and meanwhile they'll sneak up from another angle and do something else that we won't be looking for.

[shanti]

41. don't forget

california has a dem secretary of state. unless he's been bought off by ahnold, he will not go quietly in to the night.

[allalone]

50. your Mom

is very wise. I too think we should watch Calif. very closely.

[Coventina]

5. Silver lining

When a horrible attack happens and Chimpy declares martial law and suspends the elections, at least I'll be able to tell my skeptical friends and family members, "Told you so."

That is, if the brownshirts don't detain me first.

:tinfoilhat:

[emc]

26. this is getting serious

I myself dont think Bush and his SS soldiers are beyond all this---
I wrote to Will Pitt months ago about this and asked him to get something out on this-----This needs to be brought to the front in the press so that this administration would automatically cancel any plans to take over----Hey they had PNAC---whats to say they dont have some other organization making studies about taking over with martial law if they have too-----why wait until its too late!!!!

[Malva Zebrina]

6. chaos capitalists I think describes it best

Iraq is in chaos--but nevermind, Halliburton is firmly ensconced and is makiing billions. Bush and his cronies could care less--as long as they have secured the oil fields, all over Iraqk including the lucrative fields in the Kurdish territories.

This is all it was for--all the hubris and Bush posturing--why should he care? He can suspend elections next time around if he sees himself losing to Kerry --all it would take is the declaration that we are under some sort of possible seige or possibly under attack by a possible terrorist. That is all it would take, He will lie about it over and over -- no one whill challenge.

If necessary he will reinforce that lie innumerable times as will Powell, Rice and others attached to him with an unbilical cord enforce the lie. These people are evil.

He is the president and he can do what he wants and what he likes and does not have to explain to anyone, so he has most proudly said. And it is a proven that NO ONE will challenge him or accuse him of being a fascist prick who lied to his own people and invaded a country in their name on lies. They will shut up and do his bidding out of fear, I fear.

[9215]

12. I used to think he wanted secure oil too but

I don't think he even cares about that. All the BFEE wants is the money to flow into their coffers and insurance will cover losses due to bombings of their equipment. If the oil supply drops then they make money when the price hikes. The more bombings the more contracts for repairs, security, etc.

That is all it is IMO. As sick as it sounds it is about the only explanation that makes sense me. Since their end game is to bankrupt the country the more wars they have the merrier. Very sick. :grr:

[sendero]

7. I simply...

.... do not share in this paranoia. I'm as big a Bush* detractor as anyone, but all of these ideas like "martial law", "cancelling elections" I just don't think are even remotely possible.

As for voting machines, yes, there is some exposure there. But the fact that we are on to the ruse makes it very difficult to steal many votes. Maybe a few, but no big upsets. The election results have to come close to the exit polls, or nobody is going to buy it.

There are lots of things that could go wrong, but these are way down the list IMHO.

[For PaisAn]

10. Exit Polls?

Didn't they say they wouldn't be doing exit polls for the 2004 Presidential election because the 2000 exit polls were "way off"? They had Congressional hearings on it and VNS testified at them. It was spring or summer of 2001.

[atreides1]

13. Why Not

He's lied about WMD's and soldiers and civilians have died, he touted a great education bill and then has kept it underfunded, he's cut the budget for Veterans, and has created the "Enemy Combatant", which never existed before.

Why do you believe that he'll start playing by the rules when it looks like he's going to lose.

He and his cabal are desperate, and it will only get worse for them, if as you say the ruse has been exposed.

Maybe it's time for all of us to consider all of the options, and determine the ones that will more then likely be used, based on the history of this Imperial Regime.

Let's not say that it can't happen, let's say that it's just as possible to happen, as the SCOTUS selection in 2000. When dealing with a wounded, desperate animal, you allow for anything to occur.

If you don't you'll find yourself on the wrong end of things.

So let's hope for the best, but expect the worst, especially when you
consider the track record of this administration.

Just a humble opinion from a veteran.

[robertpaulsen]

19. Great post!

Loved your comparison of the Chimp to a wounded desperate animal. They tend to lash out when backed in a corner, which is exactly where Dubya will be come election time.

[Walt Starr]

28. I would agree with you except for one thing

Multiple right wing shills have been floating trial balloons about the idea of canceling elections if there is another attack.

[Must_B_Free]

36. Usurpers never relinquis power easily

[Faygo Kid]

8. Wow! Just posted the (basically) same thoughts!

You caught that on Hannity, too, eh? Love your avatar. There is a president who didn't cancel elections. Look what we have now (ugh).

[9215]

47. I still never found out where and when Hoover said that.

Somehow I think he was referring to the CIA. As it grew in power it must have been hard on ol' Edgar. But that's just a guess.

[robertpaulsen]

11. My predictions on how it might play out starting October.

This election's October Surprise will hardly be a surprise to anyone here. Homeland Security will discover a "terrorist threat" pinned to "specific chatter from Al Qaeda". We will spend the entire month in code orange and perhaps even code red if the threat is deemed "imminent". Rove will have his eyes on the polls to see if the fearmongering is working. If public opinion swings wildly in support of Bush, the threat will be reported "vanquished" by our Fearless Leader and the coronation will commence. If the polls are tight, it could go either way, although with Diebold in place, they will be probably want the illusion of a fair election maintained. But if the effect of five weeks of unproven scare tactics result in a wild swing against the ruling party, a la Spain, there will be a terrorist attack and the election will be suspended. I can't think of any other time since the Civil War that there has been a greater threat to our country.

[9215]

14. and Ronald Reagan will die the day before

Bush declares Martial law. :tinfoilhat:


Good post.

[maggrwaggr]

16. I think you're exactly right

So far my gut has been right 100% of the time, and my gut is telling me exactly what you say.

We're fucked.

[Norquist Nemesis]

42. Yes, but first...

we will find WMD in Iraq. I'm predicting mid-June to late July depending on how it goes with "returning" Iraq to the Iraqis *cough*. The Arab press is picking up a story that US has delivered weapons in the middle of the night...dated from the Rummie/Hussein buddy days, of course.

The other night I said that the Spain attack smelled like a test. Given our penchant for covert operations, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were Bush operatives and AQ was able to take advantage of an opportunity. Terrible thing to say, I know, but since Bush was predicting an attack would push the people toward the government he favored it would be par for the course to make it happen (then screw it up!).

[Joanne98]

17. Exactly

But if they try it will blow up in their faces. I think the military would march over to the WH and drag the fucking chimp out by his neck. Allot of people secretly hate them. Way more than they think. :)
I love the phrase "Chaos Capitalist". A perfect description of the "selfishness" of the neo-cons.

[9215]

18. Thanks, I can't take credit for the term chaos capitalist

I saw it somewhere on the Net, probably at DU. I just hope if the military goes after the chimp that they outnumber his protectors.

[T Bone]

22. How they will defuse the revolution that cancelling elections causes, easy

They started that today too. There are already separate threads on here. One thread is headlined that MSNBC has a poll today showing Bush winning handily. Another thread has a headline that AOL has a poll today showing Bush winning handily over Kerry.

Funny how these 'handily winning' polls both come out same day Hannity ponders death to elections.

They have already begun defusing the uproar over a cancelled election. Bogus and numerous push polls showing Bush way ahead (anyway) add to that a terrorist attack and a Red Alert, during the red alert they amazingly FIND the WMD and kill Osama....Well it won't hurt to cancel this election, Bush is way ahead and we need to mourn our dead and celebrate the successes in the Middle East.

Welcome the American Dictatorship of Bush.

[robertpaulsen]

23. Wondering about the validity of these recent polls myself.

NYT had one just like it. How is it that a week ago Kerry was up 55% on Gallup and on NYT it's Bush up 55%? Any reasons for the apparent voter "flip-flop" that hasn't been investigated? What samples of the population were selected? How is it that after Bush v. Gore, Nader's support ROSE 5 percent?! The whole thing sounds and smells like a wet fart.

[shanti]

38. they already have the camps in place for that scenario

i think i'm going to be sick :puke:

[proud patriot]

24. The neo cons seem to be testing the waters with it today

Bastards

[robertpaulsen]

25. I'd be willing to bet money...

Rush will bring it up sometime this week. This is only the beginning.

[davekriss]

27. sigh

>>Now Hannity is talking about the possibility of stopping the elections if the US is attacked.<<

The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.
--Frank Zappa

[allalone]

29. I have been saying this for a while

no one wants to believe something like this even me, but they are sending up the trial balloons. Geez, does all this mean the militia guys were right all along?

[For PaisAn]

30. In a crazy way

maybe they were.

[Octafish]

33. They've exposed themselves for the fascists they are.

Now the public knows for real. The BFEE exists. And they are completely un-American. Only gangsters talk about suspending elections in a democracy. Bush and the people he works for are traitors to the Constitution, the American people, and to the nation.

Certainly, they'll do everything they can to stay in power. The thing is, the government — that is the Pentagon, the CIA, FBI, 50 statehouses, thousands of city halls, hundreds of millions living rooms where the real power in a democracy lies, the People.

They're on the run, 9215! The BFEE is scared. And they fear most the Truth! Let 'em have it. Bush is a CROOK!

[9215]

45. this stuff is hard to follow sometimes.

I keep going back to the psychology of these fascists: what do they think will sway public opinion. IMO, the Bushies thought Spain needed its public opinion swayed to fall in line with the Bushies and Aznar's position. IMO this "Pearl Harbor like attack" was a last ditch attempt by the Bushies to sway public opinion. Now, as you can see in my "OH BOY...." post, since that didn't work the fascist slime have tried to paint the attacks as an attempt by Al Qaeda to divide the people from the "pro-US government". This is an indirect attack on Zapatoro before his first night in office. It is also an indirect way of accusing the Spanish people that they have been duped. And, a big maybe, setting the stage for a California or Venezuela style recall vote.

"Are you sure you wanted to vote that way?"

(((Maybe Zapatoro should change his name to Zapata)))

What is so screwed up on another level is a writer who wanted to be published could not venture the thoughts I am doing here without being called a loony, whacko conspiracy nut, etc. Plus he'd be hammered for calling the US a terrorist run country.

[TankLV]

34. Well, they'd better arrest me now.

Because I will do any and every thing in my power to end the resulting dictatorship BY ANY AND ALL MEANS POSSIBLE. PERIOD.

I WILL join the underground, for real.

I WILL take up arms to overthrow the illegal dictatorship.

Never before in our country's history have we EVER canceled elections.

War of 1812 - burned the goddamned capitol - elections went on.

Civil War - when fighting was less than 10 miles from the Capitol, not to mention the rest of the battlegrounds, elections went on.

WWI & WWII - same thing.

There will NEVER be an excuse to cancel or postpone any elections.

[9215]

39. OH BOY!! Check this out

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- A document published months before national elections reveals al Qaeda planned to separate Spain from its allies by carrying out terror attacks.

A December posting on a Internet message board used by al Qaeda and its sympathizers and obtained by CNN, spells out a plan to topple the pro-U.S. government.

"We think the Spanish government will not stand more than two blows, or three at the most, before it will be forced to withdraw because of the public pressure on it," the al Qaeda document says.

"If its forces remain after these blows, the victory of the Socialist Party will be almost guaranteed -- and the withdrawal of Spanish forces will be on its campaign manifesto."

---snip---
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/16/spain.invest0700/index.html



Spain cut the number of police units responsible for watching radical Islamists in the months before last week's Madrid bombings, reducing numbers by up to a half in some cities and sending them back to ordinary police work, it was claimed yesterday.

A report in the newspaper El Mundo emerged amid numerous signs of serious police and intelligence failures in the run-up to the attacks that killed 201 commuters.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,2763,1170913,00.html


LOok again at what I posted above from the NY times article:

Only last week several senior members of the administration said they fully expected that his conservatives would emerge victorious . In fact, months ago a senior adviser to Mr. Bush predicted that should a terrorist attack occur in Europe, it would probably drive the Europeans closer to the United States and its approach to the campaign against terror, not away from it.


What we are looking at is a disinformation campaign. THAT is the upshot of all of this. The CNN article says the exact opposite of the article I cite in this topic: The nytimes article says that admin officials believe an attack would "drive the European community" toward the US and the CNN article is saying the exact opposite. Both articles are based on info from months ago.

This is surreal. They put out something to cover both contingencies!!



Now all they have to do is feed the crapola above to the Press and attribute a motive. In this case they want the public to think the Spanish voters were duped by Al Qaeda, with a hint that they may be in league with the Socialists. The Bushistas have been working very hard to make the Left look like they are in league with the terrorists. Here, IMHO, they are trying to drive a wedge between the people and the leadership in Spain.

:crazy: as hell

[alfredo]

43. The people of Spain didn't want the war in the first place. That needs to

be said. Also, would this attack have happened if Aznar hadn't teamed up with bush?

[9215]

44. Understood. That's a real good question.

I think the bombing was done to drive the dissenting majority in Spain to support Aznar and if Aznar had not sided with the US on Iraq its hard to tell, but I think yes because Aznar would still be the best thing the Bushies could hope for and his not siding with the US would be viewed by the US as he merely defering to a political reality: most of the people didn't want the war. So the need to bring the population "in line" would be the same whether or not Aznar supported the war.

So yea, I think the bombing would have happened in any case where the people were not in support of US policy. IMO all of these acts are done to sway public opinion.

I think of what Brezizinski and PNAC said about the need for a "Pearl Harbor like attack" to galvanize public support for an otherwise unpopular use of military force. It seems to be conventional wisdom among the conservatives that these kinds of actions will unite the people behind the current leader. But things are obviously not as simple as that. It looks like the free Press in Europe makes it more difficult for the Captains of Consciousness to bamboozle the public.

I'd like to hear your ideas or further questions, thanks.

[alfredo]

46. I thought the finding of the van was very convenient. It probably wasn't,

but that was my first impression.

I think other nations looking for a way out of their role in Iraq will use Spain as the reason to pull their troops.

[allalone]

48. convenient cars and vans

Isn't it funny how they always find something with maps and directions and Arabic writing near these attacks? Why not just a big flashing arrow saying this way to the big attack. On one hand they are telling us this is a worldwide sophisticated network and on the other hand we are to believe they are leaving incriminating evidence all over the place.

[nolabels]

51. Egg-zack-Lee, just more CO-WiNky-DinKs

I am so sick of these CO-WiNky-DinKs. How clueless can you get

I remember watching the History channel a year ago or so, they had all this stuff on about Italy and the mob, gangs from sicily etc. Come to find out maybe a lot it might have been true, but a party working in tadem there was......... well maybe you can put some pieces together for you self here

http://www.nightmare.org/textfiles/conspiracy/italy.txt

GLADIO: THE SECRET U.S. WAR TO SUBVERT ITALIAN DEMOCRACY

by Arthur E. Rowse

(snip)
Moro was so shaken by the threats, according to an aide, that he became ill the next day and cut short his U.S. visit,
saying he was through with politics. *52 But U.S. pressure continued; Senator Henry Jackson (D-Wash.) issued a
similar warning two years later in an interview in Italy. *53 Shortly before his kidnapping, Moro wrote an article
replying to his U.S. critics, but decided not to publish it. *54

While being held captive for 55 days, Moro pleaded repeatedly with his fellow Christian Democrats to accept a ransom
offer to exchange imprisoned Red Brigade members for his freedom. But they refused, to the delight of Allied officials
who wanted the Italians to play hardball. In a letter found later, Moro predicted: My death will fall like a curse on all
Christian Democrats, and it will initiate a disastrous and unstoppable collapse of all the party apparatus. *55

During Moro's captivity, police unbelievably claimed to have questioned millions of people and searched thousands of
dwellings. But the initial judge investigating the case, Luciano Infelisi, said he had no police at his disposal. I ran the
investigation with a single typist, without even a telephone in the room. He added that he received no useful
information from the secret services during the time. *56 Other investigating magistrates suggested in 1985 that one
reason for the inaction was that all the key officers involved were members of P-2 and were therefore acting at the
behest of Gelli and the CIA. *57

Although the government eventually arrested and convicted several Red Brigade members, many in the press and
parliament continue to ask whether SID arranged the kidnapping after receiving orders from higher up. Suspicions
naturally turned toward the U.S., particularly Henry Kissinger, though he denied any role in the crime. In Gladio and
the Mafia, Washington had the perfect apparatus for doing such a deed without leaving a trace
(snip)

Not trying to promote anything but it came from here if you need a few links on Henry

Is Henry Kissinger a war criminal, fascist or just misunderstood
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=345935

[9215]

53. Now let's see if the "suspects" are ever brought to trial.

So far none of the illusive Al Qaeda have been convicted. The alleged terrorists in GTMO are just that alleged. IMO Al Qaeda is Orwell's Emmanuel Goldstein.

[alfredo]

55. Maybe they were "usual suspects" One is said to have ties to AQ

Many of the people in Gitmo are people who committed the awful crime of defending their land. Afghanistan had an army, but most of the people who defend their country by defending their tribal areas. Many do not have uniforms, they wear the clothes of their tribe. Because they don't wear uniforms, they are considered illegal combatants.

What is the designation of many of the prisoners in Gitmo?

If I took up arms to defend my home from foreign invaders, I am not going out to buy a uniform. I would be buying ammo. That would make me a terrorist, or an illegal combatant.

I think the suspects in Spain would stand a better chance of going to trial than those in Gitmo. Can't comment on whether they will get a fair trial.

[9215]

56. This warrants closer inspection.

We hear about what the detainees in Cuba did and who they are, but none of it has been proven in a court. That is always the big problem with not following due process--in this case public trials. IMO secret detention like this is for people like Bush who want to keep a lid on the truth. IMO the detainees and Moussaoui were part of a CIA--Saudi operation. IMO Bush is using GTMO as an experiment to see how far he can go--what kind of resistance he faces when he starts putting away political prisoners. Any one of us could be stuck in GTMO in a legal limbo.


What I find strange is that the WWII Nazis, who committed far worse crimes than Al Qaeda, were given a public trial at Nuremberg. This stands in glaring contrast to all of this secretiveness around Al Qaeda. It is essential that trials be public.

I'll bet that the suspects in Spain will never be brought to trial, or if they are it will be a sham, and that is because it is bad for "troop morale" as well as uneconomical to allow your assets to become "expendable". The terrorist network working for the CIA needs to be reassured that they won't be punished. Moussaoui getting off builds the terrorist networks confidence that they have little to fear.

Moussaoui was "allowed" by Bush to go the public trial route, but everytime he called a witness, one of them was a guy named Binalshbh, (sp), Bush intervened for "national security" reasons. What this did was force the court to throw out the case because Moussaoui couldn't get a fair trial. Now that is very convenient for Bush and Moussaaoui: Bush is viewed as credible on allowing a public trial though it could never come to fruition and Moussaoui gets off reassuring the terrorist network not to worry if they get nabbed.

Coincidently Moussaoui had the same psychiatrist as Raygun hit man Hinkley.


If you want a good read on how the fascists game the courts read Rodney Stich's "Defrauding America".

[alfredo]

57. You remember, they are building a

death chamber on Gitmo. I guess they are either going to start executing them, or using it to intimidate them.

[9215]

40. Forwarned is forearmed!!

When/if the shitstorm comes I just hope there are enough people who were forewarned to make a differance.

We don't need to answer all the questions just question the answers given.

[Demnocrat]

49. Bush is the devil!!!!

Don't cancel elections!!!!

[sweetheart]

52. he'll allow it, which is why the GOP have Nader running to spoil.

eom

[osaMABUSh]

59. Any attack after the conventions will cancel election

I have no doubts they would cancel the election if an attack was launched. Then you might actually see revolting in the streets.