Reagan/Bush and Iran Hostages

[mcd1982]

I remember reading somewhere recently -- I wish I could remember where-- that Reagan and Bush Sr. had negotiated with the Iranians to release the hostages after Reagan had been securely sworn into office in 1981.

Is there any validity to this? I'd not heard it before...

Matthew

[wyldwolf]

1. Sure. Look here...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

or...

Just google "October Surprise"

[kainah]

2. It's the original "October Surprise"

Is there any validity to it? It's one of those where you have to put on your :tinfoilhat: and decide for yourself. If you search "Reagan Bush Iran October Surprise" I'll bet it would kick up plenty. An author named Barbara Honegger (not sure spelling is right) wrote a book about it.

[CaptainMidnight]

4. no tin foil hat here!

It's been pretty much proven.

Conveniently, many year after the fact!

Notice how Republicans have to keep stealing elections to win?

Captain Mike

[kainah]

10. I just meant that it is a "conspiracy theory"

I wasn't casting aspersions on it. I'm fond of my :tinfoilhat:

[Syrinx]

3. "had negotiated with the Iranians to release"

The key is that they made a deal for them NOT to release them before the election.

Bushes commit treason for a living, let there be no doubt.

[papau]

5. Interesting facts that point to it being true never followed up

GOP folks Hotel bills in Paris - folks missing at events/times - even folks saying directly that the GOP agreed with Iran to prevent Hostage release until Reagan said the magic words on 1/20 - and the curious fact that the plane out of Iran was held up on the runway until the proper moment.

Even have a bit of data that may indicate George H W Bush was bagman for the operation.

Is there any validity to this? - Well - it can be fun to write a book on this type of thing - but without FBI/CIA/GOP documents and confessions the validity will always be in question. And if you do regime change to the folks on the other side of the deal and the folks that -friends or not - travel in their circle - with no one at the top surviving, you tend to lose witnesses from the other side.

As syrinx9999 said above "The key is that they made a deal for them NOT to release them before the election. Bushes commit treason for a living, let there be no doubt." - which may explain why it was never followed up!

:-)

[punpirate]

6. The best documentation thus far...

... to suggest, at the very least, that something was awry, is that someone, Secret Service or otherwise, phonied up George H.W. Bush's Secret Service logs for the weekend of Oct. 19th, 1980. A reporter had sufficient curiosity to check Barbara Bush's Secret Service logs and they were at great variance with what was in G.H.W.B.'s, and also interviewed Potter Stewart's widow about visits by the Bushes on that weekend. Robert Parry details it very well.

Cheers.

[jagguy]

7. never prooven but...

... one of the first things that George Jr did was extend the period of classification for certain records (oddly enough encompassing this timeframe) for an additional, I beleive, 25 years (might have been a little more).

This has the effect of extending "protection" not only past the expected life expectancy of Sr but Jr as well.

Does it mean anything ? You can form your own opinions.

[punpirate]

8. No, that's a more recent EO...

... the very first order extended privileges to both presidents and VPs to have records withheld at their discretion, exempted from the requirements of the 1978 Presidential Records Act.

Cheers.

[Q]

9. It's all right here:

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

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