Supporting the war in Iraq IS appeasement of terrorism

[Q]

- Once again...the Bushie Republicans and their corporate media have been ALLOWED to frame the debate by accusing those who don't support THEIR 'war' in Iraq as appeasement of terrorism. This demonstrates the power of the corporate media and just how weak the Democratic party has become in countering their propaganda.

- The Bushies and their media have been successful in convincing a good number of Americans that attacking Iraq was essential to the 'war on terrorism'. But it should be clear by now that attacking and occupying Iraq has been a detriment to fighting terrorism and is only creating more terrorists.

- Making things worse is that the Democratic leadership supports the invasion/occupation of Iraq and won't admit it was a mistake. They differ only slightly with Bush* in how the 'war' should be fought...not whether it should be fought.

- Democrats MUST denounce the 'war' on Iraq or risk losing in November. Supporting the hostilities in Iraq only reinforces Bush's* contention that he's fighting a war on terrorism there.

[ithacan]

1. war in Iraq is the best thing that could have happened for terrorists

NOT for the Iraqis themselves; by the time of the war Saddam was toothless, boxed in, no danger to anyone outside of this country and little danger to those inside.

But Iraq then was NOT a base for terrorists, it was NOT a source of instability in the region.

Bush has changed all of that.

The vote in the House proclaiming that the world is now safer was so Orwellian that it's unbelievable.

If Americans really believe this, they truly are MORE brainwashed than anyone in the Soviet Union ever was!

You're right, Q. The Dems, Kerry, MoveOn, etc. must move now to reframe this entire issue. The lies and deceit that are being broadcast as "fact" are just absolutely astounding.

[Q]

2. The Dem leadership must stop praising Bush*...

...on his 'success' in Iraq and the 'war' on terrorism in general. The RWingers have frame the debate to make it look as if ANY objections to the invasion of Iraq equates with being 'weak' on terrorism.

- That's why we must separate Iraq from the effort to fight terrorism.

- It's like we're debating the Vietnam war all over again...with politicians refusing to admit they were wrong.

- Bush* and his media have framed debate to suggest that HIS WAY is the only way to 'fight terrorism'. But we have to find a different way...other than bombing countries and killing innocents. Regime change isn't a good enough reason.

[YIMA]

3. I agree.

We need to pull out of Iraq immediately, have the UN go in temporarily to see that all Western influences are removed from the region, and then pull the UN out immediately. Until we get out of their holy lands and cease from stealing their resources and their dignity, we can expect them to fight back, and who can blame them.

[bryant69]

4. This is going a bit far

See that all western influences are removed from the region? How is the UN going to do that?

Are we just going to pretend the Middle East doesn't exist?

And of course, the most obvious question of all, what do we do about Israel?

Bryant
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[Q]

5. Bush* derives ALL of his power...

...from 9-11, the war on terrorism and the so-called 'war' in Iraq. The Right's agenda is to keep power by putting this country on a permanent wartime footing. They claim that 'everything has changed'....but only because THEY have changed it and redifined the rules.

- There are many ways to fight terrorism. Bush* has proven that his approach is not only wrong...but destructive.

[YIMA]

6. Yes

The only reason for perpetual war is to benefit the hungry Corporate Plutocracy of Amerika.

We need to dialogue with the ME people and those factions who would attack us. There are peaceful solutions. But that will not happen until we cast off the chains of the corporate masters and reclaim our freedom.

[Q]

8. Another problem: the American media is no longer free...

...to report the truth. Right now the Bushies are sending teams of propagandists out to every network to spread disinformation and FEAR.

- Yes...we need dialogue with the ME...but more importantly we must first demand that the free press do their jobs and make this government accountable to the people.

[YIMA]

10. I'm with you.

And if the government won't do as the people demand, it's time we take those jack-booted thugs who would stand on our necks and taunt us with their version of freedom and hurl them off a cliff.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

[Cocoa]

7. I don't care about denouncing

much more important is fixing the problem.

[Q]

9. The only way to 'fix' the problem is to denounce...

...and stop betraying the people of the United States and the world by supporting this illegal war.

- The Bushies know that they can use nationalism to keep the war going...despite all the evidence that there was absolutely no valid reason to invade and occupy Iraq. It's all a lie. Saying that it needs to be 'fixed' is buying into the lie.

- Those of us who protested the Vietnam war know how long a lie can be kept alive when both parties refuse to admit the truth.

[Cocoa]

11. most people hate blather

empty repetetive crap, whoever it's coming from.

[Q]

12. There's no 'blather' in resisting lies and fighting against liars...

...and it seems to me that your attitude could contribute in helping to 'elect' Bush* in November.

- The blather is coming from the Bush* government and those Democrats who still support Bush's* treason.

[Cocoa]

13. I'm glad Kerry has substance

thank God the dem candidate doesn't just spout knee-jerk nonsense.

[Q]

14. Be brave and point out the 'nonsense'...

...or will you continue just to take up space?

- Are you saying that Bush* didn't lie about the need to invade Iraq? Are you suggesting that Iraq has anything at all to do with the 'war on terrorism'?

- Stop helping the Bushies perpetuate these dangerous lies.

[Brewman_Jax]

15. kick et al

The war is all Bush* has to run on, and even that is shaky. No WMD's, no Osama bin Forgotten, the death toll in Iraq is ratching up as we speak.

[Q]

16. Besides all that...

...we're in Iraq because of a series of lies meant to disguise the real reasons for invading and occupying Iraq.

- Why is this issue dividing the party instead of bringing it together? There are no gray areas here...this is a war of aggression and Dems must stop supporting it just to look tough on terrorism.