Local Howard Stern wannabes are misogynistic and should be REMOVED!!

[jus_the_facts]

Poll question: Local Howard Stern wannabes are misogynistic and should be REMOVED!!

.....two local radio DJ's here are constantly callin' women "BITCHES...STUPID BITCHES...asshats....and whores" all on the air with their call in show...which is SUPPOSED to be a RADIO station who play MUSIC but instead they've decided to run their big fat mouths more than play any music...also they have caller ID and if you call in and complain or give 'em what for and hang up they'll CALL YOU BACK and harrass you....as you can't even call the station by dialin' *67 and blockin' your phone number....yesterday as I happened to hear them talkin' about our local mayoral election and their ideas of how the black democrat incumbent should be beaten because our town has..."gone to hell in a handbasket" as they see it.

Well I for one think they're makin' the community a LOT worse off by their demeaning women all the time....and what's EVEN MORE SICKENING is these women and young girs seem to just LOOOOVE it and laugh and joke with them....so I called my *dem rep* to see if they could turn them in to the FCC for obsenity as I feel that they are pushin' the envelope and should be taken off the air or at least FINED and made to cease and desist this blatant disregard for our community as a whole....they also drive around town in a HUMMER with their logo all over it!!! :grr:

So my question to you all....do you agree...this type of thing shouldn't be allowed and I did the right thing by trying to something about it?

[wyldwolf]

1. Do like I do

Utilize the "off" button or change the station... I agree fully, though - it does send the wrong message to both young boys and girls.

However, I was offended yesterday when consumer advice "guru" Clark Howard said outsourcing jobs overseas was "no big deal."

I called the station PD and gave him hell for it.

[jus_the_facts]

5. I don't listen to the station anymore but hit *seek* and landed on there..

.....and heard them call a woman up to give her the ASSHAT award for the way she voted which was against THEIR views....they are SCUM and my small community is being made a LOT worse by their SPEW imho and if I just LET IT GO...then my community will become worse off for it!! :(

[Career Prole]

2. Vote with your dial.

Find a station with more music and less talk...then promote that station among your friends and co-workers every chance you get. Just bad-mouthing the ignoramuses on the other station won't be as effective. Might even gain them better ratings.

[Bombtrack]

3. Not that I like Howard wannabe's, but just don't listen if you don't like

it. How hard is that.

[jus_the_facts]

8. it's NOT hard and I DON'T listen to 'em......

....but turning a deaf ear and then not tryin' to do something about it is just wrong to me.

[rumguy]

4. those wanna-bes can't be compared to Howard

I know there are some truly sick morning shows...they have no reedeeming value whatsoever...

Howard, however, has a humanity to him, an honesty that is like a breath of fresh air...that is why he is the King of Media.

[redqueen]

7. AGREED!

Howard makes it a point to mention how all the sluttiest women were probably molested. He adds value and although he does get nasty with women based on their looks he also doesn't call them ALL bitches throughout every show.

[jus_the_facts]

10. while I don't agree that he shouda been fired for anti bush comments....

.....I DO NOT think his sexist views should be mainstream...it's a breath of vile bile as far as I'm concerned...and it being acceptable as entertainment is beyond my comprehension....however what people do in private sexually shouldn't be PUBLIC entertainment....WE DEMOCRATS were APPAULED at the MEDIA AND PUKES for allowing what BILL CLINTON did be made into a three ring circus yet this kind of thing is acceptable...I just can't believe the hypocracy! :puke:

[rumguy]

12. if you listen to Howard closely you'd know he is NOT sexist

shit he stands up for equal rights for everyone, gays included...

[jus_the_facts]

15. well whatever...I've honestly never listend to his radio show....only seen

....the cable show while visiting someone with cable as I don't BUY television.....and what I saw disgusted me to no end....I don't care if people like porn as I like it m'self....but to make it MAINSTREAM isn't in the best interests of society as a whole....that's MY opinion on it all!

[rumguy]

22. look E usually only shows the racier parts of his show

however, the other night I caught it and it was a fascinating interview with Mia Farrow, right after she wrote her autobiography...

Howard castigated Woody Allen for the abuse of his daughter, I mean absolutely chapped his hide for it - it was devestating, and he fawned all over Mia - Howard has a heart, I'm telling ya...

[Skittles]

harassment is NOT "freedom of speech"

people, pull your heads out

[jus_the_facts]

21. Thank you Skittles...it amazes me how it's just fine for women...

....to be called bitches and whores first and foremost...but for them to think they also have the right to call people back and harrass them for voicing their disapproval is another whole can of worms...this whole thing makes me furious for the double standard and paradoxal interpretation of freedom of speech....everyone constantly says RUSH should be taken off the air for what he says...yet this type of thing is just fiiiine because it's somehow not offensive...*SIGH* :crazy:

[redqueen]

6. Hate speech is hate speech

As long as rape statistics and child molestation statistics are where they are, this should be banned.

As soon as society shows it has reformed, and that this is just entertainment, then we can resume it.

As of now, people are entirely too primitive and unwilling to control themselves.

[FunBobbyMucha]

14. That is just a horrible argument.

I dislike being put in the position of defending idiots like the ones described above, but the issue is, was, and shall remain how to de-emphasize their comments and their influence, not how to squelch them. I say this as a man who thinks that relatively uncontroversial stuff like "Joe Millionaire" and "Survivor" is the basest, most destructive "entertainment" ever produced in America and that the cretins and bottom-feeders that produce it, engage in it, and watch it should be driven out to the center of the ocean and disposed of. But for me to mean that as anything but hyperbole. So I wield the little bit of power I have to dissuage America's descent down the "reality show" sewer, which is to

a) not watch it

and

b) chime in about it in public and private forums such as this.

What you're endorsing is the kind of Big Brotherhood the Chimp and his Fundie hordes want for us. Nothing personal, but you don't get to decide when I'm "grown up" enough to "handle" Howard Stern.

Remember, you can't have a Taliban without the word "ban."

[jus_the_facts]

17. but it's OUT THERE for anyone regardless of their AGE or maturity....

....there's a time and place for such talk....IMHO I just don't think RADIO should be used for pornographic behavior and there is NO place misogynistic behavior on the airwaves...can you get where I'm comin' from?

[Forosuul]

9. Freedom of Speech

Means that you will on occasion, or maybe frequently, hear things that you find completely and totally repulsive. If you support stopping free speech simply becasue you do not like what is said, you are no better than the freepers. Remember, they always have a reason why so-and-such speech hurts someone too.

Don't be like them.

[jus_the_facts]

13. Yeah like the OUTRAGE about what President Clinton did in private.....

....how DARE you compare me to a freeper...when this same kind of thing was ARGUED over and over again as bein' UNJUSTIFIED and we shouldn't have even KNOWN about it in the first place....it's hypocritical IMHO that these people are allowed to call women BITCHES at their leisure and not be called on it...the same way the President shouldn't have been IMPEACHED for gettin' a blow job...it's THE PRINCIPLE of the matter that made me want to DO something about this situation!!!

[Forosuul]

16. The principle here is Freedom of Speech

And it trumps your inability to deal with something you dislike being said.

If you do not want to be compared to a freeper, do not act like one.

And incidentally, it is usually freepers that bring Clinton into everything.

[jus_the_facts]

19. I HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO DISAGREE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

....AND DO NOT SAY MY RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY SOMETHING IS IN ANY WAY FREEPERISH AND I WAS ONLY USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE NOT SAYING HE CAUSED IT ALL! :eyes:

[Forosuul]

26. You sure do.

I also have the right to tell you that you are behaving like the worst sort of right-wing Bushist nazi when you do.

Give up the righteous indignation. You are on the wrong side on this one.

[jus_the_facts]

32. How do you feel about RUSH...HONESTLY???

.....should HE be allowed to do what HE does on the air...most here think NOT...it's the same principle regardless of how you spin it.

[Forosuul]

42. I think Rush is a drug addled moron

And I cannot think of anything I have ever heard of him saying that I agree with.

But I would defend to the death his right to say it.

[bkcc]

18. i understand your point....

and I am no fan of those types of radio shows; however, there is no reason that they should be pulled off the air.

If you plan to organize a boycott of their sponsors, or to make it your goal to point out to everyone you can what they're doing wrong...that's fine.

But I do not agree with the choice to make this an issue for the FCC.

[jus_the_facts]

25. but it's the FCC that says they want to do something about obscenity....

....and it's the FCC that makes the laws...so why not go over their heads and get the lawmakers to make THEM pay for promoting the degredation of women on their show???? :shrug:

[bkcc]

30. i think the issue...

in my mind is that the FCC's crackdown on "obscenity" is flawed.

First of all, I think it's a violation of free speech.
Secondly, their definition of "obscene" is not spelled out very well, which means that they can theoretically deem anything they don't like to be obscene...and then fine the offenders.

Do I like those misogynistic radio shows? No more than I like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity's radio programs. But I don't think the way to combat them is to help the FCC perpetuate its witch hunt.

And I really hope this isn't coming across as condescending.
I understand that you're frustrated about the situation, and you have every right to be offended by this radio show. I just don't think that trying to get the government involved is the right way to go.

[jus_the_facts]

36. No offense taken...but the double standard and paradoxal intent of the law

..of freedom of speech has been warped and twisted to fit all views...and it is bein' used by everyone as a way to divide us and make gov't useless in takin' a stand on anything anymore...for if the GOV'T doesn't ENFORCE what's best for ALL it's people then it is worthless...as it has become it seems...unfortunately....since this type of talk is allowed it makes society as a whole worse off...regarless of the freedom to say whatever you wanna say. I'm even more upset about this now after bein' compared in this thread to a freeper...just because I have an opinion they don't agree with!! x(

[bkcc]

39. tell you what...

Take that anger and turn it on the DJs in question.

Start a boycott. Get the attention of the local news media.
Just don't call into the radio show. You'll only become the target of their ridicule.

And please don't get the FCC involved. They've got better things to do...like allowing huge media companies to build monopolies.
;)

[Ganja Ninja]

11. I long for the early days of FM radio.

When the DJ's would play music and not shout at you and talk as little as possible. Then along came the shock jocks and less and less music and the insipid phone calls until it became talk radio. I now only have the two public radio stations locked in on my car radio. If it's not on them I'm not listening to it.

[jus_the_facts]

50. I hear you....if only huh....

...they hardly ever tell you who was singin' the song that was played anymore...yet they talk and talk about other stuff that has NOTHIN' to do with the MUSIC!! *SIGH* x(

[Warpy]

20. List the advertisers

..then write them letters and tell them why you won't be buying their products or visiting their businesses.

That's something we can all do for things we find racist, sexist, homophobic, or so soaked in White House lies as to be a misuse of the airwaves. Remember, the FCC still tells these guys they have to be of service to the community. While I don't condone censorship, I do let people know I'm voting with my wallet on some issues.

[bkcc]

23. amen.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Warpy.

[HEyHEY]

24. Just un-talented DJs looking for a "break"

They look at how being a "shock jock" worked for others and figure it's an easy way in.

[jus_the_facts]

29. this station has been AWARDED for bein' a good station....eventhough....

....they promote this kind of behavior in a town as small as mine it AMAZES me the FUNDIES haven't been all over it by now...while I don't approve of FUNDIE mentality either...I don't see this type of misogynistic mentality to proliferate in my community in this context....it's a ROCK station and only one of two that play the kind o' music I like...yet since they've done so well the other stations have started TALKIN' more offen than playin' music....I don't even like to listen to radio at all unless drivin' in my car which doesn't have a tape deck or CD player :(

[Sandpiper]

27. If you don't like it

Turn the fucking dial.

[Lars39]

28. The test: do they call men various demeaning, obscene names?

[jus_the_facts]

31. They DO NOT...which is why it PISSES ME OFF so bad.....

x(

[rumguy]

33. like all great satarists Howard demeans himself regularly and brutally

he's called men "pigs" and has made fun of his "small penis" endlessly...

[Lars39]

34. It's hate speech, imo.

Even if they were calling males demeaning, obscene names. This isn't tolerated in the workplace(supposedly), so why is it tolerated on the airwaves, which we own(debatable, I know)? The dj's calling a listener back could constitute harassment. I think I'd call from a pay phone.

[Bridget Burke]

35. Another vote for "turn them off"

Find another station or invest in a tape/DVD player.

[jus_the_facts]

37. I don't listen to them....and as I've already stated..just lettin' it go..

....and not tryin' to do something about it...seems just as wrong as enjoyin' this type of behavior...why should anyone be allowed to continue to be demeaning to women and harrass people that disagree with them?

[Bombtrack]

45. You WANT to harass people who disagree with you

There are alot more important things to worry about than some zoo crew nobody. Why don't you tell us who it is anyway.

[jus_the_facts]

46. what I WANT is for these people to STOP callin' women BITCHES and HO's....

....is THAT so hard to understand? Since the FCC wants to make obscinity an issue then this is an instance where it should be ENFORCED IMHO!

[MrSlayer]

38. Just change the channel, this is as bad as the right wingers.

Freedom of Speech! 1st Amendment! :hi:

[jus_the_facts]

48. I just think it's not good for society to be blatantly callin' women bitch

....and whore on the radio...well not in any context but all over the radio and you can't even voice any opinion against them or they'll call back and harrass you for it....even RUSH doesn't call the people back who call him up and *attempt* to disagree! :hi:

[bloom]

40. the sad thing is

that there is an audience for it.

And when you have a capitalist society THAT is ALL that matters.


It will be interesting to see how the FCC fines will be applied.

[ihaveaquestion]

41. I believe in free speech, so I think

they should be able to say what they want. But, you should also be able to say what you want to them, without being ashamed or harrassed.

It sounds like they may have been pushing the envelope a bit.

[SoundWave]

43. Feds trying to protect us from ourselves

If you don't like the station, change the channel

[jus_the_facts]

49. yeah those goddamn pesky regulations....

....already stated all over this thread that I DON'T listen to them but think my community would be better off if they weren't allowed to call women bitches and whores on the airwaves and that these people feel they not only have the right to do this but to record your telephone number and call you back and harrass you for voicing disagreement againt them!

Welcome to DU SoundWave!! :hi:

[Bombtrack]

44. In other words, the middle east has a better model than Italy and Spain

In many parts of Europe anything goes on TV. Is everyone getting raped and women shackled there? No. Because they aren't afraid and uptight and sexuality. Europe laughs at people like you

[jus_the_facts]

47. So it's just fine with YOU that women are called bitches and whores...

...all over the radio....I don't give a flyin' FUCK thru a flamin' hoola hoop what is allowed in EUROPE and I'm NOT hung up and afraid sexually....THAT'S NOT THE POINT!!!! :eyes:

[alittlelark]

51. I voted other.

I firmly believe in free speech - but I have a really big problem with hate speech... If there were some female DJ's out there screaming about men being 'little pricks' or 'weenies' or 'all assholes' there would be an issue raised .
If DJ's of any gender started screeching about Ni**ers, Sp*ks, K*kes.... There would be issues.

But, then, just turn it off - right?

My 7 year old son got a really coolCD player/alarm/radio. It has no parental controls. As a parent I should be able to decide for myself whether a station is appropriate for him, or his older sister to listen to. I have never been called a prude, but damn!!...there is some sick shit on the radio (RUSH also comes to mind....)
I have parental controls set on the TV - I have parental controls on the internet - I approve of their DVD's - I choose which games are age-apppropriate.

There is nothing I can do to control crap being tuned in (he loves cruising the channels)

Do I get rid of his radio? Tell him not to use it - only CD's?

I am torn.

[jus_the_facts]

52. The reason it makes me so mad is because of the younger people it is heard

.....by who think this kind of talk is COOL and will emulate these morons....if the women that call up and are accepting of it that's their own personal problem/choice but that's how the world is now...all the eons of struggle women went thru to have rights...yet less than a century later it's considered the IN thing to be called bitches and ho's and submissive to THE MAN....and the double standard you stated is sooooo very sad but true too!!

[smirkymonkey]

53. OK, for all those who are for freedom of speech on

this issue. What if it was hate propaganda being spewed about a certain racial group or gays. Talking about "niggers" or "kikes" or "faggots" in a negative and demeaning way. Suppose the KKK got their own radio show and attempted to foment a hostile environment toward one of their targeted groups. Would it still just be free speech? Or is that different?

[jus_the_facts]

54. THANK YOU!!!!!!!

:loveya:

[smirkymonkey]

57. Your welcome, but you notice how

nobody else responded. It seems as though women are still fair game when it comes to hate speech. I guess we have a long way to go! :evilfrown:

[jus_the_facts]

58. Yep I did notice.......

....in LBN there is an article posted about the FCC and I had to agree with the FCC's crackdown on indecency as there was once a much nicer period in our not too distant past when this type of thing was regulated...but it's ALL OR NOTHING now...never an in between anymore...just doesn't sit well with me especially in this instance and context...and it's no wonder our democratic ideology has been mocked and made into the hateful spew it has as of late by the right...eventhough what they say is even more hatefull and wrong it's deemed acceptable and the very ones who preach love and acceptance on the right fall for THAT instead of ever listening to the truth of what our party has to say anymore! :(

[Nobody]

55. I'd rather just have music

When the DJ starts yakking, I shove in a tape.

When I'm at home, I listen to internet radio stations. Go to the MIT radio stations of the world web site (Can't remember the URL, but you can find it in Google). Some have no talkative DJs or commercials at all and nothing but music.

One that I go to rather frequently is a Russian station, Radio 101 at http://www.101.ru. No commercials. No DJ blather. Only music. And it's all over the map musically, you can get Led Zeppelin, Tom Petty, the Beatles, Offspring, various Russian rock groups, etc. No talk other than an hourly station ID.

Anet is a blues station in Antarctica with very little talk.

If you play around at the MIT site, you can find some of your own favorites.

The morning shows around here are utterly obnoxious, and most of them are blatantly right wing. Tom Barnard was giving lots of free advertising to Norm Coleman when he was running for Senate.


On edit: discovered that a URL I had wasn't correct.

[jus_the_facts]

56. yes it'd be much nicer if only music was played on a *music station*

...indeed!! Thanks for the link but my ol' relic computer won't stream well at all...it's all chopped up! :(

[ContinentalOp]

59. Not a free speech issue...

If they want to exercise their free speech they are free to publish a book, magazine, CD, whatever. Stand on the street corner and yell for all I care. But in this case they are using the public airwaves *which WE OWN* and it's in our rights to make a stink about it. We need to return a sense of political balance and public service back to our publicly owned airwaves. If the right wing is going to make a big issue out of every minor criticism of the president or brief flash of a breast why not throw it back in their face and demand their bigoted mouthpieces be thrown off the air?

There was a very interesting article about this topic on alternet which mentioned the history of the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasing and how it's been replaced by some pretty shocking hate speech and calls to violence from right wing figures.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18141

[Undemcided]

60. Should be up to the owners

In this day and age you can pretty much stream any content you want over the internet.