Conversed with a Bush follower today. These people are simply

[harrison]

hopeless. This guy was a fundie and a Republican, and he brought up politics. So, I thought I would engage him in a little talk. Consistency means nothing to these people. I believe they are brainwashed. I really do.

I told him that I wasn't happy with a President that would go awol. He replied that was thirty years ago and shouldn't be held against him. I told him that during Clinton's first election, the Repugs regularly referred to him as a draft dodger. He had no answer for that.

I told him that as far as I could tell, Bush was a coke sniffing frat boy. He said he probably was, but that the Lord had changed his heart, and he didn't hold that against him.

I said that Bush had lied us into a war. He told me that Iraq was harboring terrorists. I told him that there was no connection between 911 and Saddam. He said that Saddam was terrible. I told him that was true, but that we had INVADED another country. I said that got Hitler into trouble.

He said that we had to hit Saddam before he hit the rest of the world. I said that after ten years of sanctions, Saddam was no real threat and there were other ways of dealing with Saddam. He accused me of being an appeaser. I told him that I couldn't understand why we went after Saddam after 911, when Osama was in Afghanistan. He said that we had concluded operations in Afghanistan, and then went into Iraq. I told him that Osama was still around, apparently.

And on and on it went.

Finally, I said, "Look, all the Presidents lie. They all lie. Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. Nixon lied all the time. Clinton lied about Monica. The Bushes have told so many lies that you can't even keep track. You would be much better off remembering that Presidents have and will lie to you."

I concluded the conversation, but it was rather amazing. This guy is so sold on Bush, he will hear nothing else. Just brainwashed. That's the only thing I can figure out. True believers. Got a real insight into how Hitler pulled it off.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. One thing Ayn Rand got right

The Witch Doctors exist at the beck and call of the Attila's

[donco6]

2. I have a friend like that

Actually, an ex-friend. I just couldn't take it anymore. Haven't spoken with him for over a year.

Interesting thing, though, is he's a Log Cabin Repub. Wonder if he's changed his mind at all . . .

[chelaque liberal]

19. Where does the term Log Cabin Republican come from?

[donco6]

20. Republican was the party of Lincoln,

who freed the slaves. It's sort of a call back to the 'Pug roots. Wishful thinking.

[aquart]

3. Did you ask him if he felt his pension fund was safe?

Any of his relatives in Iraq? Any laid off? How's his business doing?

[trotsky]

4. I work with a bunch of them, just like that.

Not a THING will crack their shell of support for the boy king. Everything he does is great, noble, and good. Even when he (and his admin) is exposed for the Iraq lies, the excuse given is that, essentially, the ends justify the means.

And then, to top it all off, they accuse me of blind partisanship when I try to counter the e-mail lies they pass around about various Democrats.

Doesn't matter, though. I will keep plugging away, no matter what. The alternative (doing nothing) is not acceptable.

[ithacan]

5. you're right

I have relatives who are brainwashed, they really believe that Rush and Fox are true, fair, balanced and objective sources of information.

And because of that, it is impossible to discuss anything with them. Because those propaganda outlets basically innoculate their viewers and listeners against any other source of information. If something comes from a non-wingnut source, it's dismissed as biased or bullshit.

There is no consistency, other than mindless and blind support for the Bush regime and their propaganda stooges at Fox etc.

on edit: These are the kind of people who become the footsoldiers of fascism...

[Wapsie B]

8. Same here.

I've got a dad and a brother who hang on chimpy's every word. Their idea of a discussion of the issues is an intimidating rant of the talking points of the day. I can see the deep-seated anger in their eyes when talking about anything in the Democratic Party. The gop is not a political party any longer; it's a frigging cult.

Needless to say, I don't go home very often. I can't deal with that level of anger everyday.

[ThomWV]

6. Check Your Memory

In one of the series of interviews by Sir David Frost there is a question about lieing asked of President Jimmy Carter. President Carter was asked point blank if he had lied when in office. The President replyed that he had not, but it was because he had never had a reason to. He said that he would have lied over something like keeping a spy's name secret even if he knew it but that was the only case in which he could justify a President lieing, and he was fortunate in that he was never put in that circumstance.

I believed him. Jimmy Carter may not have been a good President but he was dam good and sure the most honerable and honest one we've ever had ..... and still is.

[MadProphetMargin]

7. Carter WAS a good president.

You can hardly blame him for being stuck holding the bag with respect to paying the economic price for Vietnam.

Why else do you think the GOP ran Ford against him? They WANTED to lose that round.

[papau]

12. Carter's average GDP growth of 3.3% about ties Reagan's 3.37 average

not too shabby

L-)

[MadProphetMargin]

13. Carter kicked Reagan's ass. Period.

His new job creation wasn't too bad, either (he kicked Reagan's ASS in that department).

Beats the two Bushes, who share Hoover's shame, failure, and degredation: They are the ONLY three presidents in US history to have a NEGATIVE net new jobs creation record.

[FlemingsGhost]

9. They are very afraid, that's all.

It's really very sad, because a life dictated by fear is actually a painfully slow, miserable death.

Help them.

[MadProphetMargin]

14. You can't help the willfully ignorant.

Sad, but true.

[BOSSHOG]

10. Bush lied to us about going to war in Iraq

but that was over a year ago, you can't hold that against him.

People who support bush are fucking idiots, but they are patriotic in their idiocy, can't hold that against them.

[packer]

11. same same

Sounds to me like you just described Democratic and Republican voters, they both seem to wade into the shit unconditionaly to protect there glorious leaders.

Like true soldiers....

[Skittles]

15. at least republican voters know their votes get counted

nt

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[AmandaRuth]

16. how does he feel

about the fact that bush presided over the biggest security failure in the history of the USA? He failed miserably in his first and most important job. keeping the citizens safe. Anyone with that kind of failure in the private sector would have been fired and maybe prosecuted.

The fact that reThugs cannot admit this is proof of their total brainwashing.

And, make sure you ask him if he truly feels safer getting on an airplane these days.

[Deja Q]

18. The Lord changed his heart? Giving him a brain would have been better...

If Hitler were alive today, would we give him amnesty for what he did 60 years ago? Makes no difference.

Bush was a loser and went AWOL.

Today, he's still a loser who is far more mentally AWOL today than he was 30 years ago.

[formactv]

21. Actually the Lord gave him a testimonial.

Instead of a diploma.

[kentuck]

22. They would rather die than say they were wrong....

But you know it, I know it, and Bob Dole knows it....