Dean & Gore Vidal on Bill Maher's show tonight

[Cush]

http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/?ntrack_para1=latest0_image

This week's guests are Democrat Howard Dean, writer Gore Vidal, hip-hop impresario Russell Simmons, author David Frum and actor Eddie Izzard. Don't miss Bill's final roundtable discussion before his hiatus. Real Time with Bill Maher is broadcast live without a net on Fridays at 8:00PM ET (8:00PM PT, tape delay), followed by a taped replay at 11:30PM (ET/PT)!

[Jacobin]

1. Holy Mackeral

That one will be a barn burner!!!
Will go have to bum cable from someone tonight

[terrya]

2. Wow!

Thanks for the heads-up on that.

David Frum and Gore Vidal...sounds great.

Terry

[jayfish]

4. I Hope Frum...

gets his head handed to him. To bad his master isn't going to be on the show as well.

Jay

[kanrok]

10. Frum's a douchebag

I know because I was at a bar he was at and he ordered a vinegar and water.

[jayfish]

11. Nice.

:toast:

Jay

[stanwyck]

35. He just proved it

he's been getting his ass handed dto him by Gore Vidal all evening so he just took a cheap shot: tell us as much as you can remember. In a snide little snitty tone. What a pompous twit.

[Tim4319]

3. This is one of my favorite shows

If there is anyone who is "fair and balanced", it has to be Bill Maher! I'm sure it will be a great show! Can't wait to see it.

[handywork]

5. does anyone know

If Dean is going to actually be at the round table or if he will be interviewed via satellite?

[question everything]

41. Not at the round table, but he was great

And got tons of cheers

[BeHereNow]

6. THANKS for the notice!

CAN NOT WAIT to see Gore Vidal
rip Frum apart.
NO match- Vidal has SUCH a wicked sense
of logical debate, he will SHRED the Frum!
Counting down the minutes!!!
BHN

[bkcc]

7. should be a great show

I'm going to miss this show when it goes on hiatus.

It's by far one of the funniest shows on TV. There isn't another show I can think of that is as frank and intelligent while being laugh-out-loud funny.

Go, Bill Maher!

[mainer]

8. I'm peeved at Bill Maher -- he was so anti-Dean

During the primary, Maher kept poking fun at Dean. So I'll be interested in seeing whether the two men are prickly towards each other.

[worldgonekrazy]

9. damn! if only i had hbo!

i don't think i even know anybody who does, except for my parents (who live a good ten states away). college students don't exactly have a surplus of funds these days with tuition and health care costs out of control.

[derby378]

12. Bill Maher's on hiatus already?

Just when we need him the most... *sigh*

[question everything]

44. Will be back in July. In time for the race to heat up

[DerekG]

13. Please, please, please.....

Tell me Vidal is on the panel!!!!!!!

[BootinUp]

14. kick - Coming on now

:kick:

[Cush]

15. kick: on now

[Cush]

16. Dean up on the satellite

[Momof1]

17. Dean is kicking ass

Talking about the internet. And how no one understands that this is a community, and to speak to the community you have to have a message.

Telling everyone to run for local office.

These two look like they are good friends.

[Momof1]

18. Dean "You can't trust republicans with your money"

Frum, Izzard, & Vidal on panel

[Room101]

19. Shit, I'm going to miss Gore Vidal. I wish I had HBO

:(

[nostamj]

20. Vidal is SO exponentially superior to Frum

i hope Frum chokes on his tongue!

away we go!!!!

[Cleita]

21. Dean. Bush's ends justifies the mean philosophy is not what

a democracy is about. He said his mission is to send Bush back to Crawford permanently. Crowd is cheering wildly. Seems like there are a lot of Deanies there.

[Momof1]

22. Frum just said he had no connection to *

Liar, they mentioned PNAC. Not much though

(edit spelling)

[stanwyck]

23. Gore Vidal is brilliant

Spain has something we do not have: a democracy. It would be wise of the Bush people to wise up. They seem to only know "Onward Christian Soldiers".
Meanwhile, Frum can't land a blow. Vidal just reminded Frum he lives in Hollywood, not Italy. He looks quite the fool.

[Chovexani]

24. He's the man!

Vidal: "This is our Caligula."

BWAH!

[proud patriot]

57. I'm so glad he came home to help us with this fight

as soon bush was elected I wrote to Vidal
begging him to come home . That we needed him
here with us . I wonder how many other people
wrote to him ..

I love You Gore Vidal :loveya:

[Cleita]

25. Muhahahaha! Gore said someone must have told

George Bush he wasn't elected. He acts like he's in a dream and knows he shouldn't be President.

[Momof1]

26. That was hilarious... I am waiting for Gore to

smack Frum with his cane. You can tell Vidal is getting annoyed with the piss-ant.

[Chovexani]

27. Frum is getting his ass kicked

After Frum spouted a whole lot of Repuke talking points about how safe we are thanks to Homeland Security, Bill asked him how come instead of guarding nuclear facilities and whatnot they go after Tommy Chong, harrass abortion clinics, etc.

I *love* this show. And it's been especially good lately.

[Momof1]

28. Maher "give voters goody bags so they will vote."

Like they do at Awards show.

Red state goody bag: Toby Keith CD, Pork Lions, John Deere Ball cap. Bullets. Version of bible read by Mel Gibsons dad. Something with Hannity

[Momof1]

29. Vidal on electronic voting

7,000 in Ca. 200 people voted, but didn't vote.

Diebold now

[stanwyck]

32. Maybe if you're the guy

who makes the voting machines you shouldn't be into partisan politics. Maher talking about the CEO of Diebold holding fundraisers at his house for Bush; he's an unabashed supporter of Bush.

[Widgetsfriend]

43. A vial of Hannity's bile.

[question everything]

46. Vial of Hannity's bile n/t

[Cush]

30. talking about E Voting

Vidal says "They are daring as we speak" , meaning rigging elections

[Momof1]

31. Frum said if they don't work get rid of them

But this came about because of 2000 election. And is twisting it blaming on Democrats.

[Room101]

34. Is there any place to download the show?

I'm missing VIDAL GRRRRR :mad:

[Chovexani]

50. Try filesharing

I've gotten a couple of great BBC specials off Kazaalite. There's tons of librul propaganda on, I'm sure somebody's encoded some Real Time eps.

[Cleita]

33. Vidal to Frum.

"Do I have to explain the American system to you?" when Frum guffawed while Vidal was talking about how votes were counted honestly in the old days.

[Momof1]

37. New Rules

New Rules:
No more planets till we can take care of the 9 we have.
No more missionaries, not needed because of Media.
Don't try to get Pandas to mate by showing them porn.
Lay off Rumsfield and 9/11 memento
Stop terrorism, get muslim men layed.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

42. Re: Do I have to explain the American system to you?"

That was CLASSIC!!!!

[Iceburg]

36. Frum Ass Kicked and by Queen Vidal

Buddha bless the gays of America!

[Momof1]

38. Maher will be back on July 30th

Damn, then that means he shouldn't be on during election

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

39. Frum is a pompous schmuck!

I was hoping Gore Vidal was going to hit Frum upside his head w/ his cane! He was being completely disrespectful. I thought it was really cool of Russell Simmons to give "props" to Gore Vidal.

[Widgetsfriend]

45. I believe Frum is Canadian, isn't he? Let me do a little checking.

http://www.polemics.ca/archives/000139.html

Yep, I thought so. I googled david frum from canada and found this confirmation. And that sob was trying to give Gore Vidal grief about living part of the year in Italy.

[Iceburg]

47. Admittedly .. Frum is Canadian

His mother Barbara Frum was a much loved journalist and anchor here in Canada. (She passed away about 20 years ago). Sadly, Barbara gave birth to Satan before she departed. We are certain she is rolling over in her grave now. Tag ... he's your now!

[JohnyCanuck]

48. Yes he is, but I think he has US citizenship now too.

His mother Barbara Frum (deceased) was a very well respected and admired broadcaster on CBC.

[Widgetsfriend]

51. I am NOT trying to bash Canada. I am a Canadafile.

However, Frum was trying to diss Gore Vidal by implying that he didn't know what's going on in the US because he lives in Italy. Admittedly, Vidal had a very good comeback. But I'm talking about the pure bile (Hannity' notwithstanding)in trying to take Vidal out by implying that he isn't "American" because he lives part of the year in Italy. It is such a predictable way to debate now that we should always be prepared for the personal attack. There is absolutely NO SUBSTANCE to the right's debate. That's all.

It was an absolutely fabulastic program and makes up for so much of the crap we must endure. Let's try to get Bill Maher to put his show up on the web...delayed maybe. I can't see why HBO would refuse to do that. Some of their shows they can play over and over. But Maher"s show is very specific and wouldn't seem to have a shelf life longer than maybe several weeks. It would be a good way for HBO to bring people to their web site and then perhaps to HBO. Let's see what we can do.

[Iceburg]

52. No offense taken partner

There is a reason why Frum does not live here ... he loathes the democracy Canada (prefers fascism) and we loath his racism and greed. I'm not surprised that he hitched his wagon to the Bushitters.
I

[question everything]

40. What a show!

Gore Vidal is great and the finale: Ann Coulter leading a group of whores to make muslims happy so they won't be angry - great!

[BootinUp]

49. What a great show that was

enjoyed Vidal, Simmons, Dean, heck the whole damn thing, Frum spouted his necon BS but it didn't even bother me.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

53. Some info. on Gore Vidal

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/vidal.htm

Gore Vidal grew accustomed at an early age to a life among political and social notables. He was born at the military academy in West Point, New York, where his father was an instructor. He was raised near Washington, DC, in the house of his grandfather, Thomas P. Gore, a populist Democrat senator from Oklahoma. Vidal learned about political life from him and when he was a teenager he adopted the first name of Gore. Vidal also spent time on the Virginia estate of his stepfather, Hugh. D. Auchincloss. After graduating from Philips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire, he served on an army supply ship in the Aleutian Islands, near Alaska. Much of his time in the Enlisted Reserve Corps he devoted to writing. Upon his discharge he worked for six months for the publishing firm of E.P. Dutton. From 1947 to 1949 Vidal lived in Antigua, Guatemala. His first novel, Williwaw, was based on his wartime experiences as first mate on Freight Ship 35 in the Alaskan Harbour Craft Detachment. The conventional seafaring story was written in the spirit Ernest Hemingway.

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[swag]

54. Vidal is a brilliant essayist and critic

His "United States" and particularly "The Last Empire" are wonderful models of everything liberal discourse should be: direct, tough, sometimes mean, and often humorous.

Highly recommended stuff.

[Room101]

55. I just finished "Creation" By Vidal

If you remember the movie "The never ending story" where the kid skipped school and actually felt apart of the world he was reading, this is the adult’s version. I also read "The last Empire" I can’t get enough of Vidal.

[Kool Kitty]

56. Want to read another good Vidal tome?

They all are great, but this one is a particular fave of mine-"Live From Golgotha". "Kalki" is another great book, too.

On edit-Bill's show was terrific tonight. Particularly liked the exschange between Frum and Vidal-
Vidal-I served in WWII, and Iraq is nothing like WWII.
Frum-Yeah, SO?
Vidal-Why did you say that, then? (This exchange followed Frum stating that the aftermath in Iraq is just like the aftermath in Germany and Japan. Which it isn't. This was the first exchange between the two and Frum was an arrogant little snot.)

[Chicago Democrat]

59. Live at Golgatha was great, So is Julian about Julian "Apostate"

wicked anti-christianity view! I love Vidal. He's an asshole, but he's our asshole!

[Andy_Stephenson]

64. Actually I find him quite

charming.

[Andy_Stephenson]

62. He should have been kissing Gore's feet

to even breath the same air.

[Cleita]

58. It never hit the best seller llists when it was first published.

That's when I first read it and then I passed my copy on. I came to Vidal first for his fiction. It was subsequently that I started reading his essays and political writings.

[Andy_Stephenson]

60. I talked to Gore on the phone 2 days ago...

Looks like I need to call him tomorrow and tell him job well done!

[Cleita]

61. OMG, I am not ordinarily a groupie type, but I am

an eternal fan of Gore Vidal. Tell him I luv him.

[Andy_Stephenson]

63. Will do...

I was floored...we talked about 25-30 minutes...he is putting me in his next book due out in May.

[Room101]

65. You lucky bastard- Tell him your friend just read "creation"

I loved it; Vidal made me feel as if I was alive during 5th century BC. Vidal is tackling BBV seriously I wonder if you have anything to do with it? :smoke:

I have read
Dreaming War
Perpetual war for perpetual peace
The last Empire
Creation

Ps. I never get star struck or pull the intellectual groupie card, but Vidal is the greatest. Tell him he turned me on to History!

[Andy_Stephenson]

66. Well when he was in Seattle...

I talked to him about it. Then when we talked the other day he was asking real good questions.

[Andy_Stephenson]

67. You can listen to him here

I asked a question RE BBV...near the end