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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:26 PM
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Judith Miller wrote the Clarke story
Former Terrorism Official Criticizes White House on 9/11
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/national/22CLAR.html?ex=1080536400&en=dfda0e077f046e33&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

Does anyone here think that this smells? I do. Does anyone have her email address?

She left out as was posted by bain_sidhe
Note that, while there was room for her to write:

Steven Hadley, the president's deputy national security adviser, denied that anyone at the White House had tried to intimidate Mr. Clarke into finding a link between 9/11 and Iraq.

...there was apparently not enough room to note that CBS had two people corroborate the story - one of whom was actually THERE, unlike Hadley.


for those who aren't aware of Judith's part in the cheerleading for the Invasion of Iraq here's a quick google that will lead you to her dirty deeds!
http://www.google.com/search?q=Judith+Miller&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:29 PM
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1. I suggest that DUers would be better served to criticize the
story, and not attack the reporter. Just MHO.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:34 PM
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3. what? Do you have any idea who Judith Miller is?
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 11:35 PM by thebigidea
She was backbenched for a while after her Chalabi-loving antics left a lot of egg on the NYTimes' face.

I think that stuff was FAR more shameful than the Blair idiocy.

If ever a reporter deserved some scrutiny, its Miller.

Apparently she had some hotline to Rumsfeld and was ordering around US troops on the WMD hunt! The hell?

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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:35 PM
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4. Yes, I know who Judith Miller is.
I stand by my original comment.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:36 PM
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6. so you're saying we shouldn't be suspicious of Judith Miller?
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 11:37 PM by thebigidea
This Clarke story is far too important to let Miller frame for us - suspicion is warranted.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:46 PM
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12. Well, I admit I was splitting hairs a bit here...
Sometimes I get a little peeved at personality bashing on DU in general. This probably wasn't a great example to bring it up. I am no fan of Miller.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:53 PM
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14. I think it's important that reporters know that if they're going to
interject their personal biases into their reporting, they're going to be held personally responsible.

Miller has crossed the line, and I think it's important that everyone knows her name and that she has no credibility.

How else do you fight her BS?

It should be a sufficient counterargument to anyone holding out her reporting as fact to say, "did you you see who wrote that? Judy Miller! The prosecution rests its case."

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:39 PM
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10. If you're going to tell people not to look behind the curtain at Judith
Miller's pulling of the levers, you're going to have to make a way more detailed argument.

Toto has pulled back that curtain, and there's no reason to look away.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:37 PM
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8. Miller has mader herself part of the story.
She has been a cheerleader for the Republicans objectives.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:38 PM
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9. that's the point!
Her reporting of the story is lacking key information, don't you think? Her history of reporting doesn't bode well and why not call a reporter on the rug for not giving all of the facts? If I had not watched the 60 minutes show I would not be able to gather from this reporting that CBS had two people corroborate the story one that was actually there, unlike Hadley. It doesn't give the reader all of the information.

Who said anything about 'attacking' the reporter?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:58 PM
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15. Corroboration is critical -- THAT omission changes everything!
Edited on Mon Mar-22-04 12:26 AM by Bozita
Two independent verifiers.

Changes a blockbuster story into just another election debate.

Judith Miller is why birdcages were invented.

edit: spelling

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:39 PM
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11.  Are ALL MediaWhores Off Limits?
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 11:42 PM by otohara
Including:
Fred Barnes
Michael Barone
Richard Berke
Mona Charen
Linda Chavez
Ann Coulter
Howard Fineman
David Gergen
Jonah Goldberg
Sean Hannity
Betsy Hart
Christopher Hitchens
David Horowitz
Brit Hume
Mike Isikoff
Mort Kondracke
Charles Krauthammer
Chris Matthews
Michael Medved
Dick Morris
Mike McCurry
Peggy Noonan
Bill O'Reilly
Kathleen Parker
Geraldo Rivera
Cokie Roberts
Tim Russert
William Safire
Tony Snow
Andrew Sullivan
George Will
Mort Zuckerman
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:34 PM
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2. Achmad Chalabi snaps the whip as Judith's quivering flesh prepares for ...
Edited on Mon Mar-22-04 12:09 AM by Bozita
... orgasm.

Good post.

I just can't read her bullshit.

on edit: Title needed color.

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:35 PM
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5. Wow, This is Not Much
of a story - considering it's coming from the infamous Ms. Miller.

Is this all she's allowed to do in order to get back in the Times building?

It's nothing but what Clarke said, Bartlet says...and the other usual suspects...nothing added by the opinionated Ms. Miller.

My guess, she's been told....:evilgrin:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 12:20 AM
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16. Too bad she didn't add what Lesley Stahl told the world:

that TWO witnesses (one of them present at the encounter) can testify to the meeting between Clarke and Bush* which the Bushistas want to deny ever happened.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:37 PM
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7. She lost all credibility
after all her FALSE stories concerning Iraqi WMDs, that came directly from Chalabi.

She should have lost her job.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:49 PM
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13. I hate Judith Miller
But I will read the article and see how it spins.

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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 12:24 AM
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17. Washington Post also confirms meeting!
from TWO sources -- does not specify whether the same two that CBS talked to -- but WP adds that C. Rice also was there....this CAN NOT go away!
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