How convenient this Hamas guy was assasinated.

[Catherine Vincent]

On the same night Richard Clarke spilled the beans on President Chimpy. Do you think Rove had anything to do with it? (just kidding)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. NO I think it's a coincidence and while it will create

more violence, he is not a figure I would mourn.

[displacedtexan]

2. One of those things

that makes you go hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

I thought the same thing: convenient timing.

[Joanne98]

3. I do especially since he did the same thing everyday

Why didn't they kill him on a Friday?

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[aquart]

6. His vision was to put bombs on ten year olds.

Wow. What a freedom fighter.

[MadProphetMargin]

8. He sent children to die. That's not freedom fighting, that's infanticide.

There are limits.

[still_one]

12. He was not a great man

he was a very bad man.

I think Israel was stupid to do what they did.

Ever since bush took office he has ignored this issue, and refused to pursue the negotiations where Clinton left off.

This makes of a very uncertain future, and is more reason why we need Kerry

[sir_captain]

14. You're not kidding, are you?

Man...I'm going to apply some self-censorship now.

[John BigBootay]

22. R U serious? n/t

[GabysPoppy]

31. Any other heroes you have?

Might be interesting to see who you worship

[WoodrowFan]

48. your hero is in hell now

where he belongs. That's not to say Sharon won't be there too someday.

[aquart]

5. This assassination is going to have horrific consequences.

And Israel did it for a news cycle opportunity for Bush? That is what you're saying, isn't it?

There's a stench to this kind of "kidding."

[Catherine Vincent]

29. Yes, I was kidding.

I have never heard of this guy until last night. That should show you how much I was kidding.

[Ksec]

7. It really does seem to be such a coincidence

to be happening yesterday , doesnt it? I mean there was no provocation , nothing leading up to it, no bombings that day??? Ive always been skeptical of these conspiracy posts but this is a really strong coincidence that seems to have only one reason for its timing. Am I wrong? Maybe but you would have to show me some counter reasons for its timing to sway me away from this opinion.

[sir_captain]

10. How about?

They've been trying to get this guy for years...

Seriously, I think I had better just bite my tongue.

[still_one]

13. Agreed

but will this really stop the terror?

[sir_captain]

15. Probably not...

I was just answering the poster's question.

I obviously shed no tears over his death, but practically speaking, I'm sure it will just make things worse.

[Ksec]

19. OK

I understand theyve been wanting to take him out for a long time but the timing makes me mighty suspicious.

[sir_captain]

20. Of what?

Some vast conspiracy? Do tell.

[Ksec]

24. You have your opinion

and thats fine. Like I said I was never on board with the conpiracy theorists if you have read any of my posts but the timing and the fact that nothing had happened that day make me suspicious. Israel always counters suicide bombings almost immediately so ..why yesterday? What happened yesterday that was significant other than Clarkes 60 minutes beatdown of Bush.

[sir_captain]

25. Maybe they just had the right intelligence

They've tried to get him before and missed. To me, it sounds like they just found out where he was and took a shot at him. Usually he was hiding somewhere. It's not like they could have gone and arrested him anytime they wanted.

I think this situation is not unlike Pres. Clinton's attempt to take out Bin Laden with the cruise missiles. Except, of course, we missed.

[Djinn]

41. more to do with it being more "Acceptable"

in the wider western world now to assasinate "terrorists" (btw the quotation marks here are not in reference to Yassin - I'm not buying into anything Israel/Palestinian outside the I/P forums - just that extra-judicial executions aren't such a great idea in my opinion because in the wider world who decides who's a terrorist - the US has released over 100 inmates from Guantanamo after admiting they did nothing wrong, imagine if they'd assasinated them - just repeating I'M NO FAN OF YASSIN'S just don't beleive in this action)

Israel has followed this policy for a while but it's usually been smaller fry - recent events have meant they knew that this would be viewed as OK by most of the leaders of the western world - it's not anything to do with "intelligence" they always knew where he was

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

9. I think the go out was given after the clark interview

just my opinion to try and mask the fallout

[sir_captain]

16. And this is based on....?

If you're going to make accusations like that, you better be prepared to defend them

[WoodrowFan]

47. the little voices said so.

the ones beamed from outer space. :silly:


some people think the world revolves around the US and Shrub. Israel has their own agenda and their own timetable. happenings in DC had nothing to do with it.

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[oasis]

17. This situation in the Mideast is sure to escalate. Condiliar was quick to

say that the U.S. did not give the green light to this operation. When she makes public announcements, you'd better put on your boots, because the bullshit will be knee deep.

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. It just shows the world that Sharon

is totally out of control and is going to do whatever he wishes, whether or not the timing is good for W.

If Gore was in the WH, there probably would be a peace treaty by now and at the least Sharon would never even tried this crap, no less get away with it.

[sir_captain]

21. No doubt Sharon

is a pretty bad guy. But if you think there would be a peace treaty with Gore in the WH, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Clinton made peace in I/P the key to his last year in office. What makes you think Arafat would have made peace with Gore instead after he rejected Clinton's plan?

And why exactly is going after the leader of a terrorist organization crap? Do you think the US shouldn't go after Bin Laden? What exactly is the difference.

I do agree that the timing is not very good and that practically speaking, this will not be helpful to anyone, Israeli or Palestinian.

[DoYouEverWonder]

33. First of all if Gore was in the WH

he was have continued the peace process that Clinton had worked so hard to accomplish. Peace negotiations are delicate things that don't get resolved over night. Yes, there were still differences to work out and Arafat was grandstanding but Gore would have brought the players back to the table and I do believe he would have finalized a peace agreement.

However, in December 2000 when Clinton made his last ditch efforts to come to an agreement, both sides knew that Bu$h would be the next president. Barak was facing an eliciting in Israel and the for numerous reasons the whole thing fell apart. If Gore was to be the next president, there would have been much greater incentives for both sides to reach an agreement. Instead, with Bu$h came in with his ABC policy, the Israeli's knew that they know longer had to make any concessions and that the Bu$h administration did not support the peace process.

As for Sharon killing the leader of Hamas, bad as he may be, assassinating the spiritual and political leader of your opponents will not solve any problems and will only make matters worse. Arrest him, put him on trial for his crimes, fine. But Sharon crossed the line and killing a people's leaders will only create more death and destruction not less.

[sir_captain]

36. Peace negotiations are delicate things?

Do you remember the part where Arafat walked out and declared an intifada instead of even expressing a willingness to negotiate? Gimme a break. Incentives to reach an agreement? What could be a bigger incentive than peace?

[DoYouEverWonder]

39. Do you remember the part

where W's foreign policy advisor Richard Perle met with Barrak right before the last Camp David meetings and told him not to make a deal?

[sir_captain]

40. Yes, I do

But Arafat was the one who walked out--not Barak

[DoYouEverWonder]

45. Even though Arafat walked out at Camp David

Negotiations continued and an agreement was almost reached in Jan. 2001 at Taba, Egypt.

This is the statement negotiators made after Taba, just days before Barak lost the election to Sharon:

"The two sides declare they have never been closer to reaching an agreement and it is our shared belief that the remaining gaps could be bridged with the resumption of negotiations following Israeli elections."

Of course, no Americans attended the meetings in Eygpt, since the Bu$h WH wasn't interested in finishing anything that Clinton would get credit for. Within a couple of days, Ariel Sharon won the election in Israel and he had no interest in making peace with the Palestinians either. But that's right it's all Arafats fault.

[Djinn]

43. doubt it

Both major American political parties pretty much offer unconditional support for Israel (rightly or wrongly - that's a debate for I/P) and Israel has utilised assasination whilst a Democrat was in the White House

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[billhos]

26. This is a high risk strategy, however

Remember Aytaollah Khomieni in Iran preached the virtues of martydom for 60 years and he and his family died in bed with there boots off. Sadam was going too have everybody fight to the last man, but when it was his turn he fled and ran and tried to negotiate when they fished him from his hidey hole. remember khaddafi he was very brazen about terrorisim until We put a smart bomb right through his tent. After that he had too get one last say over lockerbie when he did not think anyonewas looking. Now Usa invades Iraq and he voluntarily gives up his wmd program, and cooperates. Lok at Osama glorifying martrydom but now running around the mountains doing every thing he can to avoid his turn, same Zawahiri. Look at Arafat another 70 year old martydom proponent. He is aparently a billionare stealing money from his own people. do you think that is the signature of someone who wants too be a martyr. Granted there are a lot of low level mad men who for the forseeable future will volunteer for suicide duty. But, the mad men in charge don't seem too be quite that mad and they have thier own agenda.I think targeting the higher ups may be the answer.We will have to wait and see.

[newyawker99]

30. Hi billhos!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Oilwellian]

27. Israel released Yassin in a prisoner exchange (1997)

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu persuaded Jordan's King Hussein to agree to the swap, and last week Israel freed 20 prisoners, including Hamas' founder and spiritual father, Sheik Ahmed Yassin.

Israel has promised to free as many as 50 more in an attempt to soothe ruffled feelings after the assassination attempt soured relations with Jordan and Canada -- the agents used fake Canadian passports -- and brought a firestorm of criticism down on Netanyahu.

"From time to time, we have to pay a price for something which you had to do," Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai said Monday. "I think we are not going to release any Hamas (activists) which would be dangerous."

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9710/13/israel.hamas/

[sir_captain]

28. Obviously, they were wrong

[FatSlob]

32. I'm thrilled.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I am very happy whenever a terrorist learns that there aren't any virgins waiting for him. I hope this ass has fun in hell.

edit to say: Terrorists are about the only people I truly have hatred for. They repulse me, sicken me and are fit only for worm food. Some say I'm insensitive, and yes, I sometimes am. I hate, sure as hell I do. I hate terrorists. Freedom fighter? Bullshit, this guy was a terrorist. Any fucker who sends sends mothers and children to blow themselves up should be terminated immediately.

[sendero]

34. And you think...

... Israel is any better? That they kill any fewer civilians?

Better do some research. There are no good guys in the middle east conflict. Not even close.

[FatSlob]

49. Did I say that Israel is any better?

No, but I'll say it now. Israel is better. They don't use ten year olds as suicide bombers. This isn't a who is better than who or who is worse than who arguement. I'm glad and thrilled that the son of a bitch Hamas leader is dead. He'll enjoy hell.

[Heyo]

46. I fully agree....

And hell no, you're not being insensetive.....

If you suppoerted a guy like that, that would be insensetive....

I bet if someone was riding the bus one day, and six weeks later they're learning how to eat and dress themselves with no arms, they'd support the elimination of this man too...

Heyo

[sweetheart]

35. We kill whomever we want, the new law.

This is really getting all too orwellian.

I presume they'll take the bits of the people they killed and make
them back in to sausages so that their bodies are recycled. ;-)
I'm sure the mothers would rather eat the remains than leave it to
the weather. Missiles are a very expensive way to make sausage.
Soylent-arab, the new thing in feeding the israeli lust for food.

[sir_captain]

37. Hey

let's not give any more credence to the blood libel, ok?

edit: i realize you were kidding, but even so

[CityZen-X]

38. Handicapped Zone

Terror vs. terror, is what we have here. Hamas suicide bombers do not discriminate, when it comes to killing women & children, as do the Israeli's. Now the Zionist target the handicapped! I guess Hamas will kill more Israeli's and leave some handicapped, only to kill them later. Both sides are surely "Dogs of Doom." And their intelligence should be given a handicapped zone!!

[sir_captain]

42. What does the wheelchair have to do with it?

I'm not totally sure where I stand on this issue, but I don't see how being in a wheelchair makes anything different.

[gulliver]

44. Actually, it's just another Bush failure. The roadmap is over.

Bush's failures are now competing for headline space.