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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:38 PM
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woooooooooooooo hooooooooooo
C span is showing the families of the 9/11 victims demanding the truth from Bushco. The head of the Hispanic organization examining the tragedy asked a very pertitent question "Why do you take the facts of 9/11 and shift them over to Iraq instead of concentrating on the attack itself?"
Brother of a victim wants to know why the Pakistani president sent 100.000 to one of the hijackers and nothing was said.
An American airline employee wants to know why Bush refuses any public questioning regarding the attacks.
A retired army officer wants to know why Bush never came to the sheraton where some of the survivors of the pentagon attack were staying at the time to offer them sympathy.
One wants to know why certain people were told not to fly on 9/11 because the possibility of flying planes into buildings was a definite possibility (even the mayor of san francisco had been warned). Why the silence and inaction?
Why the refusal to give relevant docs to the commission?
Hard questions - if the )*()*&^&*( press would take this up we could eventually impeach the prick and throw the whole bunch of them in jail (then i woke up)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:43 PM
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1. I hope they put a video link for this on their site
I want to send that link to EVERYONE!

Thanks for the description!!!!

:yourock:
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:45 PM
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2. huh...?
"One wants to know why certain people were told not to fly on 9/11 because the possibility of flying planes into buildings was a definite possibility (even the mayor of san francisco had been warned). Why the silence and inaction?"

Really? I did not know this.
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:49 PM
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3. so they claimed
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:50 PM
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4. I did. But never heard an explanation.
OR who it was who told him. Lotta seriously weird unanswered questions.

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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:50 PM
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5. Ashcroft Also Stopped Flying
Around that time.

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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:03 PM
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10. Correction. Ashcroft stopped flying COMMERCIAL in June 2001
Edited on Mon Mar-22-04 02:03 PM by FoeOfBush
due to reports of "unspecifed threats" and started flying PRIVATE planes at YOUR (and Mine) expense!!

edit: added year
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:51 PM
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6. Me either!
That's dynamite.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:51 PM
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8. And Don't Forget
The monsterously high short sells on the airlines that day. Someone made a bloody killing (unfortunate pun) off that tragedy.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:03 PM
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11. Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, all ran like scared rats in August of 2001
thanks go to "Stephanie" for doing the great work

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www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=KA01

The Secrets of September 11
The White House is battling to keep a report on the terror attacks secret. Does the 2004 election have anything to do with it?
April 30 — Even as White House political aides plot a 2004 campaign plan designed to capitalize on the emotions and issues raised by the September 11 terror attacks, administration officials are waging a behind-the-scenes battle to restrict public disclosure of key events relating to the attacks.
<snip>Some sources who have read the still-secret congressional report say some sections would not play quite so neatly into White House plans. One portion deals extensively with the stream of U.S. intelligence-agency reports in the summer of 2001 suggesting that Al Qaeda was planning an upcoming attack against the United States—and implicitly raises questions about how Bush and his top aides responded. One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike “in the coming weeks,” the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: “The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.”
The substance of that intelligence report was first disclosed at a public hearing last September by staff director Hill. But at the last minute, Hill was blocked from saying precisely who within the Bush White House got the briefing when CIA director Tenet classified the names of the recipients. (One source says the recipients of the briefing included Bush himself.) As a result, Hill was only able to say the briefing was given to “senior government officials.”
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www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A15...
Summer Spinning
To GOP, Vacation Boosted Bush Agenda; To Democrats, Voters See a Shirk Ethic
Aug 29, <2001>
<snip>The White House had announced that Bush would stay at his 1,600-acre ranch in Crawford from Aug. 4 through Labor Day on Sept. 3, a 31-day stretch that would have broken a modern record for a presidential vacation, held by Richard M. Nixon for a 30-day trip to San Clemente, Calif., in 1969. News reports played up the record, and a Gallup Poll found that 55 percent of respondents thought Bush's vacation was too long.
The length of the trip revived old questions about Bush's work ethic, and the poll and the news coverage caused consternation in the White House. Aides said they had planned an ambitious schedule for Bush as long ago as late June, but reporters were not told about it, even after they landed here. The White House, suddenly defensive, took every opportunity to show Bush on the go and even created a "Western White House" logo for the briefing room at Crawford Elementary School. Bush revealed that his ranch had new video conferencing equipment for keeping in touch with his national security team.
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www.jacksonholenews.com/Archives/NewsArchive/2001/010815-News.html
News story - Aug. 15, 2001
A Working Vacation
Vice President Cheney plans to fish, travel during month-long valley sojourn.
By Angus M. Thuermer Jr.
Vice President Dick Cheney took time off from his month-long working vacation Monday to outline his plans for August in Jackson Hole and to reflect on "an amazing year."
Cheney, who will live at his Teton Pines home about six miles west of Jackson until Labor Day, defended his energy policy, supported a local decision to limit drilling around the Gros Ventre Wilderness, recalled a life of service in Washington and said his health problems are not affecting his ability to fish for trout on his favorite Western waters.
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www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml
Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:40 PM
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15. Yes, Ashcroft was told to fly private in like July
I don't recall the details but all this was known shortly after 911.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 04:13 PM
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26. It was known before 9/11.
Just an odd story about Ashcroft making the decision for security reasons. After 9/11, it made a sort of horrible sense.

Also, July 2001 was the month pilots were forbidden to take arms into the cockpit. They'd had that right since the old days of "conventional" hijackings. Apparently the right was rarely used & the government just decided to end it formally. In July, 2001....
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:14 PM
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18. Pentagon officials cancelled flights for Sept 11 for security concerns
"On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns."
Newsweek, Sept 13, 2001

"NEWSWEEK has learned that while U.S. intelligence received no specific warning, the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip”
Newsweek, Sept 24, 2001
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:51 PM
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7. Bummer that Hispanic families are asking questions.
All that pandering to southern Florida gone to waste.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:56 PM
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9. Taping every minute. This is AWESOME!
n/t
Especially because Scotty is briefing at the same time. What a trip this is...................
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:13 PM
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12. the 9//11 Victims are STANDING STRONG against shrub....
Edited on Mon Mar-22-04 02:17 PM by amen1234
they've already been through it all...they are not taking any shit from anybody.....

they want to know the TRUTH....

coming right after the Pro-Peace rallies....all across America....
and the beautiful signs:

'bush* lies'
'speak TRUTH to power'
'the emporer has no clothes'

many 9/11 Victims were at the New York Pro-Peace Rally on Saturday...America stands with the 9/11 Victims...

bush* is going back to Crawford forever....



NYC Pro-Peace Rally 03/20/04
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:16 PM
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13. No! Not here!
Please don't send him back to Texas - send him back to CT!
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:19 PM
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14. should send bush* and his whole cabal of war criminals to the Haig...

afterall, bush* could easily become another 'man without a country', so the Haig would be a good squatting place....he can hang with slobo, and a few other war criminals....
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:28 PM
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22. No No - We don't want him back. I'm disgusted I was born in the
same hospital as him.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:29 PM
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23. That poster is going on all DC metro cars and buses this week....
Edited on Mon Mar-22-04 03:30 PM by Vadem
and it is an ad today in the Wash. Post on page A19. Whooo Hoooo!

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:29 PM
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29. great....Peace is coming to America....closing my eyes, I can hear
her nearby.....PEACE....

goodbye war-profiteers....goodbye war-president....WE THE PEOPLE don't want you around....PEACE is coming to America....

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:51 PM
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16. if the public had been warned that hijackers could target buildings
with airplanes, the passengers would have been much more inclinded to fight the hijackers.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:57 PM
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17. And imagine how many more people...
...from the second WTC tower might have survived. There is no way they would have thought their building was "secure" after the first attack if they'd had any idea what this administration knew. Those workers would have made a beeline for the exit and never turned back.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:15 PM
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19. skypilot, I am an Air Force veteran
for the rest of my days I will NEVER understand why jets weren't scrambled, why the second tower wasn't evacuated, why the PENTAGON wasn't evacuated, why our stupid so-called "leader" sat in a f***ing Florida classroom reading a kiddie book AFTER BEING TOLD OF THE FIRST ATTACK. I will NEVER UNDERSTAND.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:25 PM
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21. I used to work at an AFB and
I well remember that pilots were always at the ready. Drills were conducted regularly, and the fighters could be in the sky within 5 minutes. Of course, that was back during the Cold War. Maybe readiness has been abolished since then.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:04 PM
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28. those pilots LIVED for it
SALIVATED over the time it would not be a drill. They need to start talking.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:20 PM
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20. People in the Second Tower Were Told NOT to Leave
They were told to calm down and go back to their offices and that there was nothing to worry about...Announcements were made on the PA system in the second tower telling people to go back to their offices...
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:35 PM
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24. That is exactly what happened.
Edited on Mon Mar-22-04 03:37 PM by skypilot
But people probably would have ignored those announcements if they'd had any inkling that this administration knew about a threat to the US. Also, the ones who made the announcements probably wouldn't have made them to begin with. That is what I was talking about when I said that the people in that building would not have thought it was "secure". Apparently, that is what they were told.

One thing I've wondered for a while now is did they have fire drills at the WTC. If they did, then that day would have been a the perfect time to have one. I think a plane hitting the tower next to yours is as good a time as any to have an evacuation--a real one or a drill.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 04:16 PM
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27. Part of the reason for this was the falling, flaming debris
and the people jumping. It was dangerous to evacuate and have all those people on the plaza where they could be hit.

HOWEVER, had the building security known the truth about the second plane on the way, they most certainly would have evacuated. Building security and NYPD, etc., made the best decisions they could with the info they were given. But WHY were they kept in the dark about the second plane with all those lives at stake?
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dpibel Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 04:08 PM
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25. Particularly Odd and Nasty
Never thought of this before. At the time the first tower was hit by a hijacked airplane, at least air traffic control, and probably NORAD, knew there were three other hijacked planes in the air.

In light of that, why wasn't the second tower evacuated immediately?

Oh, yeah. Incompetence. Frozen with fear. Didn't want to scare the schoolchildren
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