Not to be the voice of pessimism (as I often am)....

[vi5]

But is there any reason for us to be getting excited over this whole Clarke brouhaha? I mean honestly. Joe Wilson came out and said this stuff. We hailed it as the dawning of the inevitable take-down. It was given some minor lip service in the media and the average, non political junkis in the public quickly lost interest and forgot about it or shrugged their shoulders. Cue then the Paul O'Neill book/revelations....same minor media uptick, same dancing and cheering on here, same inevitable shrug of the shoulders....Awol got another look...same uptick, same cheering, same inevitable shrug.

Can someone give me a reason why this one will be any different?

[Jane Austin]

1. This should be different because

All the good guys are going to testify before th 9-11 Commission this week.

The press will cover it and Dem Congresspeople will comment on it.

[vi5]

5. You really think it's going to get coverage?

Do you honestly think they are going to cover anything those guys say if it falls anywhere outside even the broadest range of "bushasbraveleaderagainstterrorism" territory?

You're more hopeful than I.

[wryter2000]

7. I hear you

But I think when a former President of the United States testifies before a committee, there's no way they can ignore it.

[Jane Austin]

9. Exactly.

And now that Clarke is in the news, they'll want to cover him, too.

[SpiralHawk]

12. Do I forsee a Clinton Bimbo eruption tomorrow ?

Somehow, with Rove ruling the formerly White House, I would not put it past the Republicans.

[DarkPhenyx]

2. Nope, no can do.

Still, hope does spring eternal. One day we will be right, and the whole thing will come crashing down. Till then I choose to dance as opposed to cry.

[eleny]

3. Because it's one more nail in the coffin

It corroborates what other people like O'Neill have said about *. It's another pounding drip drip drip that eventually causes things to collapse. Like how it happened for Nixon.

[patricia92243]

8. Dems are a minority and no real journalist now.

[wryter2000]

4. Because

Wilson didn't say anything like this at all. He pointed out one lie, but there was lots of other "evidence" in their arsenal. Similarly, O'Neill pointed out the obsession with SH, but even that didn't prove that they were willing ignore OBL completely. The most telling thing to me is Rumsfeld saying on 9/12/01 that there weren't any good targets in Afghanistan. What about Osama Bin-effing-Laden. He wasn't a good target???!!!

On edit: Besides, confirmation makes the argument more forceful, esp. since O'Neill backpedalled the very next day.

[eleny]

11. Yeah, I wonder who got to O'Neill

And I wonder if he feels like shit on a stick given the guts that Clarke has shown. Clarke looked pretty strong when he said he was sure "they'd" have the dogs out. But I am so curious about how they were able to twist Paul O's arm back so hard. It must have been a doozy of a threat.

[emulatorloo]

24. actually I thought O'Neill and Suskind had a good show going

They were usually interviewed together, and O'Neill would set things up and Suskind would go in for the kill. . .kind of a good cop/bad cop thing.

[KissMyAsscroft]

Well, because we now have a lazy whore press...

And a dumb populace, we have to take these people down piece by piece.

It's not like something like Watergate would happen. Watergate wouldn't even raise an eyebrow from the media these days.

Bush would have to be caught doing something so insane, like fondling a boy in the oval office and even then who knows what the whore media would say...

It's more of a cumulative effect of everyone jumping ship that will have an effect. I think people looking for the "big take down" are going to be continually disappointed.

[Jane Austin]

13. I completely agree that Watergate

wouldn't raise an eyebrow now.

Really sad.

[tobius]

6. please, cheerleading only.

not a good idea to question the CW.

[Imalittleteapot]

10. When presented as a whole,

which I suspect is in the Kerry plan, the Clark, Wilson and O'Neill "stuff" will have a big impact. BUT, those who faithfully support Bush and all of the RW media pundits will continue to stand by their man. We don't care about that bunch. We care about traditional Republicans, like my husband, and indepedent voters. Once packaged and tied with red, white and blue ribbons,
the brouhaha will pack a punch. Count on it, and hope that the media runs with it.

[Jane Austin]

16. And don't forget

all those people who didn't vote at all last time.

Educate someone today, and register them to vote!

[Mr.Green93]

14. death by a thousand cuts

[Vickers]

25. Ha! Perfect!

"death by a thousand cuts"

Man, I love that!

[Manix]

15. There is a cumulative effect (drip,drip). For some voters they reach

a tipping point and say "enough is enough".

[plcdude]

17. cumalitve effect

it is already resulting in further coverage by media that has been for the most part fully supportive of the * administration. It is wearing away at the false sense of invulnerability of this * team. It is also getting out more of the facts that only people like Wilson, O'Niell and Clark can give. And finally given the competition for great breaking news other media organizations will be pursuing leads. So I would say the future is looking better.

[asjr]

18. I know what you mean.

For almost 4 years we have been hoping for something to run them out of office. Add together what has been out there with the fact they never take responsibility for anything that went wrong one would think something would happen. And the dissing of Richard Clarke today has taken them to new heights of arrogance.

[Hamlette]

19. it is difficult to admit a mistake that resulted in so much death

and destruction.

But if you truly believe that Bush was annointed by God how can you admit that God (through his tool) started a war that was immoral?

Helps you understand the need for the separation of church and state!

[Paradise]

20. my sentiments exactly, except for the

9/11 families who may just not take this crap anymore!

[seabeyond]

21. 2 in the afternoon and looks to me like

bush's people with the help of the media has put clarke in his place as nonsense. will be interesting to see what the nightime news has. coause what i am seeing now, it looks like it is going the way side like the other people

[lancdem]

23. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the testimony

The "60 Minutes" interview was only the beginning.

[rock]

22. You dress for every game

Some days you win, some days you lose, some days you get rained out. Let's keep trying for a win!