Heavy hitters against Iraq war.

[Another Bill C.]

So far I have the following listed as stating that Iraq posed no immediate threat to the U.S.:

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatowski, USAF, formerly of the Office of Special Plans.
David Kay, former U.S. weapons inspector.
Hans Blix, U.N. weapons inspector.
Rolf Ekeus, the former head of the UN weapons inspectors in Iraq
Scott Ritter, chief UN inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998
Joseph C. Wilson IV, a retired ambassador who was a secret envoy of the Bush administration to Africa.
Paul O’Neil, former Treasury Secretary
Mohamed El Baradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency
Former White House counter-terrorism coordinator Rand Beers
Richard A. Clarke, counterterrorism coordinator.
Ray McGovern, who heads a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

Who's missing?

[Sir Craig]

1. I can think of a little over 570 American families...

...and thousands of Iraqi families that might also be considered "heavy hitters" against the Iraqi invasion.

But I understand your point, and find it amazing that assh*les like Faux News still give these people short shrift...

[Pobeka]

6. Way, way over 570 are dead in Iraq.

Probably more like 2000-3000 by now are dead as a direct result of being in Iraq in a wartime situation.

[tom_paine]

17. Agreed. The Busheviks use numbers like Soviets

EXACTLY like Soviets.

Yes, I believe way more that 570 are KIA (unsubstantiated articles notwithstanding).

[coltman]

2. 70% of America

Most of the rest of the free world.

[tom_paine]

18. "Most of the rest of the free world"?!?

:wtf:

I guess you haven't noticed, but Imperial Amerika is no longer part of the Free World.

And, of course, your cite of 70% of Americans is old and during, shall we say, a more Bushevik Pravda time.

As in the Old Soviet Union, coltman, the more Pravda the Busheviks use on us, the more people slowly awake to the lies, the more the Imperial Family has to use to subdue freedom the next time.

Even the Soviets caught on to Pravda, eventually. You think the Imperial Subjects of Amerika will take longer than the Russians to catch on to the 100% Lies?

I think most people are caught by surprise because most simply cannot conceive of Amerika (which used to be called America during the Days of the Old Republic) under Tyrant's Bootheel.

Eventually, the boot on the neck, gently now, worse soon, will become undeniable.

Yes, Imperial Amerika must first rejoin the Free World before you can use terms like "the rest of".

Thanks for the laugh, though. As one of the last few Free American trapped behind the Televised Curtian of Bushevik-Occupied Imperial Amerika, I can appreaciate a good joke.

[coltman]

22. and tom..

what planet are you from?Hope you can appreciate this joke.

[tom_paine]

23. Nothing to appreciate, coltman

Be a free man, why don't you! Stop following your Bushevik Masters and join Free America! You sound like a fellow gun-rights-supporter, so why would you submit yourself to Bushevik Pravda, which so resembles Old Soviet Pravda except the names are different and the philosophical justification for Tyranny.

Same tyranny, though. I hope you appreciate the irony of a gun-loving supposed defender of Individual Liberty shilling for the most corrupt and Tyrannic rulers of our nation, mindlessly believing every lie, supporting Soviet-style Big Brother legislation like unPATRIOT.

Quite frankly, there should be an exchange program in which people who don't deserve freedom and have forgotten what it is (and that it is NOT married to one political party or another) could be exchanged with those who don't have it right now but would appreciate more.

I mean, you could go to Commie China or Comrade Putin's Russia and you wouldn't have to change a thing except the lies you accept uncritically and the name "Ziang" or "Putin" for Bush.

I think you'd do just fine over there and we could use another person who values True Freedom (not Bushevik Pravda) in your place over here.

I hope you can appreciate this joke.

Whattaya say, Comrade? Don't you want a nice One-Party State where dissent is outlawed (so long as it disagrees with your Masters, of course)?

It's waiting for you over in China. Because Free Americans will fight very hard to prevent your Bushevik Comrades' Free-Market Stalinist Paradise over here.

I hope you can appreciate that joke, too.

[revcarol]

3. Dennis Kucinich, who has CREDIBILITY because he actually

VOTED against the war and got 118 colleagues to stand up and fight!!

He was right all along. (He would never stoop to say, "I told you so," but I have no such scruples, "HE TOLD YOU SO!! AND YOU DIDN'T LISTEN.")

Add also the governments of France, Germany, Israel who have their own intelligence services and they didn't believe the lies.

[9215]

4. Peter Molan

‘Nothing but Poison Plants Can Grow from Poison Seeds’: Another Former Intelligence Official Blows the Whistle on Iraq/9-11 Connection

<http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/157236>

Veteran Pentagon Middle East analyst Peter Molan speaks out on the invasion of Iraq, his work on the 9/11 investigation and why he is protesting in front of Walter Reed Medical Center today.

Peter Molan, Department of Defense Middle East analyst for 25 years. He began his military career with the US Army in the Middle East during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. Went on to work at the Department of Defense until August 2001, when he retired. After the 9-11 attacks, he was recalled to duty because he speaks fluent Arabic. He was one of the people working on the bin Laden dossier for the Pentagon.

[9215]

5. Sibel Edmonds

Sibel Edmonds Turkish American translator for 9/11, hot!:
synopsis: A whistleblower claims there is a Turkish spy ring that has infiltrated the translation department of the FBI, yet the FBI doesn't seem to care. This apparently has some connection to 9/11. It appears that nobody except a few Democratic Senators and the 9/11 victim's relatives are interested in investigating this major breach of security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=323862&mesg_id=323862

[9215]

7. hee, hee, hee.........oh you will likes this, come hobbits, come on.

Saddam Hussein!!

[BigBigBear]

8. add to that:

The US Army War College (I can hear them now in Freeperville: "Pansy-assed Clintonites !!!" :) ) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3391583.stm

The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace :
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/040110/2004011018.html

The Vatican
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80875,00.html

[kaitykaity]

9. Media biggies here

Lewis Latham
Sy Hersh
John MacArthur

Don't laugh:
Michael Moore
Patrick J. Buchanan

[calimary]

12. I'm not laughing.

A good reminder - especially the second group. Shows the opposition crosses party lines.

[Renew Deal]

10. Rand Beers

[9215]

11. Ex--CIA director Stansfield Turner.

Ex-CIA director says administration stretched facts on Iraq
<http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-06-17-turner-usat_x.htm>
WASHINGTON - Former CIA director Stansfield Turner accused the Bush administration Tuesday of "overstretching the facts" about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in making its case for invading that country.
Turner's broadside adds the retired admiral's name to a list of former intelligence professionals concerned that the CIA and its intelligence reports were manipulated to justify the war. Since Baghdad fell April 9, U.S. forces have been unable to find chemical and biological weapons the White House said were in Iraq.
<snip>
Public criticism of an administration's handling of intelligence is rare from former CIA directors, who typically give the benefit of the doubt to those with full access to classified information.
...more...

[Mari333]

13. why isnt anything happening then?

for 3 1/2 years we have been banging our head against the lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies
we have lost our jobs, lost our children, lost our country and still this administration stays in power and nothing has happened to them..nothing..
they still sit in power, no one has been impeached, no one had been held accountable for thousands dead for the last 3 1/2 years..and now Im so tired, and even today my husband drove to town and was called an asshole for our bumper stickers, and this has been happening more and more as Bush is exposed.
Its getting uglier. I used to get depressed, now I go to a place of despair. It would be so much easier to live in denial, but I cant.
when will these people go down???when will they be thrown out of the White House? When will they be called what they are CRIMINALS????!!!
when?
Im at the end of my rope. We have been doing the job for 3 years that major journalists should have been doing. We still are.

[9215]

21. IMO nothing much is happening because these whistleblowers

are coming in piecmeal instead of all at once. They then get taken apart one by one.

They need to get together and present their stuff in unison.


I posted this at another topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=476515&mesg_id=476515

[Jacobin]

14. Robert McNamara of Vietnam "fame"

Several heavy hitters in the King George I's administration who came out with op-eds prior to the invasion, whose names I've forgotten.

Jimmy Carter.

[keithyboy]

15. Jimmy Carter,Zbigniew Brzenzski , Brady Kiesling, and Powell early on.

I'll have some more for you later.

[keithyboy]

16. Brady Kiesling:

J. Brady Kiesling, political officer at the U.S. embassy in Athens, said in a letter to Secretary of State Colin Powell that Bush's policies are "driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America's most potent weapon" for the past century.

The letter was quoted by The New York Times. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher confirmed that Powell had received a letter from Kiesling.

[kaitykaity]

19. Greg Thielmann also resigned in protest.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/06/1057430076982.html

[Another Bill C.]

20. Thank you.

I'm trying to compile list of highly credentialed people who can't be accused of having a political agenda and who have discredited our rush to war in Iraq. It will come in handy for e-mails and letters to editors.

Seeing all the names in one place might wake up a journalist here and there and encourage them to become less of a cheerleader for the inane course we seem to be on.

[Karenina]

24. The PEOPLE of Spain.

:evilgrin: