They Expected a Hijacking, They Got 9-11....

[Junkdrawer]

As OldAndInTheWay has said: "The Players got Played"

That's how I see it too. I hate the term LIHOP because it implies that they knew exactly what would happen and they let it happen anyway. They didn't - they weren't that smart. That's what I hear Clarke saying - they weren't that smart. They had a vague idea that the hijackers were about to do something with airliners and THEY DID NOTHING - hell, they made sure people got out of their way. The PNACers were spoiling for such a "Pearl Harbor" for quite a while. They wanted an excuse to invade Iraq.

It's like an armed robbery that went wrong - they didn't mean to kill that many. But guess what? That's still Murder One. And that's why they're so dangerous.

[jobycom]

1. That's how I see it. nt

nt

[PaDUer]

32. Scarborough Country..

started off with this tonite.

[Junkdrawer]

35. What, did he read this thread or just the question in general?

:shrug:

[laruemtt]

2. so much that's unforgivable

but the one they cannot explain away is the fact that * sat there reading to kids at a school AFTER he knew the first plane had HIT THE NORTH TOWER!!!!! he SAT there! they knew other planes had been taken. they could have ordered everybody out of the south tower. they could have ordered everybody out of the pentagon. think of all the lives that could have been saved. and he SAT there!!!!!!! why won't someone hammer them with that? i'm dying to hear them be confronted with that. what WILL they answer with.

[Junkdrawer]

4. He sat there because their ingenious plan blew up in their face...

They had no idea what to do next, so the big boys mulled it over and Bush read to the kids.

Thanks for reminding me of that because it's one of the things that nailed it for me. I mean if Bush were truly innocent, that's not what he would do. Conversely, if his "evil plans" were working perfectly, that's not what he would do. But if he let a minor terror attack happen and it went completely south, that's exactly what he would do.

[Zinfandel]

44. They knew and let it happen-what the fuck is 3000 people to these fascists

As expected and they knew, it would get Bush/Ashcroft/Cheney/Rumfseld/Rove and the republican ideology everything they wanted and needed, (it has) People actually believe Bush is tough on terrorism and is looking out for all of us, blinded by corporate gains...got to change that and make it clear to the contrary.

We have to...the competely Iraq invasion must be made 100% clear to voters...and Kerry should never shy away from it.

[Junkdrawer]

49. You have the entire US to commit a terra attack and BushCo...

picks the center of Multinational Capital? Oh, and let's make sure the guys on the top floors get it.

[Ontario Bureau Chief]

55. Have I told you yet today how much I HATE THESE PEOPLE????? /nim

[prodigal_green]

62. Because it wasn't 3000 "people", it was 3000

Northeastern liberals.

NYC voted against * something like 85% to %15. It is Senator Clinton's state. Who cares? It's not like we were going to vote for him anyway.

[Beam Me Up]

22. NO. That is incorrect.

He did not sit there AFTER the first plane hit. The first plane had already hit before he arrived at the school. He WENT IN TO A PHOTO OP KNOWING WHAT HAD HAPPENED. It was while in the class that the SECOND plane hit.

This fine detail IS IMPORTANT.

If the Secret Service for a moment suspected that he could be in danger, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED TO AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION. He was not.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. That's 100% correct. Junior sat in the classroom for another 30 minutes..

...before leaving the school. Mighty strange behavior for a man that was allegedly a target of the hijackers.

Junior also stated at least twice that he actually saw the first plane hit the WTC and made the comment that the pilot had to be pretty poor. We know that he wasn't referring to the second plane because he was in the classroom when Andy Card told him about the second plane.

So, if we are to believe that Junior actually did see the first plane strike the WTC, how would that have been possible? IMHO, the only way that could have happened was if the presidential limo was receiving closed-circuit audio-visual transmissions from the WTC prior to the attack.

Think about that for a second.

If true, that means that the NeoCon Junta not only knew an attack was coming, they also knew where and when the attack would take place.

[Ontario Bureau Chief]

56. He was a target from 6 AM that day!!!

Not only that, Junior was targeted early that morning by men claiming to having an "appointment" to see him at his hotel! The Center for Co-operative Research has references to these details.

www.cooperativeresearch.org

[MI Cherie]

59. That would mean ...

... he went to the school fully aware that he and EVERYONE at the school was in danger and a target!

How could he? It was bad enough to see him looking like a "deer in the headlights" when told of the second attack — then worse when he was smiling and laughing while people were dying.

The spin that "he didn't want to scare the children" does not hold up if he were a target. If he was a target, how could he put so many innocent children in harms way?

[RC]

3. OK, Explain to me again how the towers came down?

Don't forget WTC7

[shanti]

41. if it was LIHOP

the bombs were already planted in the buildings by the "terrorists". they KNEW and did nothing.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

5. That's what I think too. That Condaleeza Rice was only partly lying

when she said that they didn't think airplanes would fly into buildings. They knew they could, but they had no specific evidence about the upcoming incident and they didn't bother to think too deeply into it because they didn't really care too much. They just knew enough where Ashcroft stopped flying commercial flights.

When Bush heard about the first tower, he had to known it was bin laden unless he truly is a complete vegetable. But he pretended that he thought it was an accident. Then when the second one got hit, he knew he was screwed and had made a mistake by pretending ignorance, but had to continue with the charade and that's why he went around saying that idiotic "one terrible pilot" line.

Had they really known what was going to happen, they would have written a big hero story line for Bush, but they didn't, so he ran around like a coward and then later they tried to make him sound brave and wrote him some phony dialogue and pretended Airforce One was a target.

I'm curious about why they took no action about the one flying toward the Pentagon. They knew it was highjacked a long time before it hit. Seems like they could have saved lives by ordering evacuations from Federal buildings. The kindest thing to think, I suppose, is that they were totally frozen and incompetent because nobody was in charge.

[laruemtt]

7. i'd rather be able to believe

they were frozen and incompetent, rather than pure evil. the potus does not have the luxury of being frozen and incompetent that results in the deaths of thousands without being guilty of treason. screw him. hang him.

[Junkdrawer]

8. Bingo. What I said in Post#4, only better put.

:thumbsup:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

40. Condi was lying about the buildings being targets of suicides

there were the Phillipines and Paris plots before where kamikaze plans were thwarted.
The Genoa airport that summer was surrounded by air defense systems.
They knew the possibility existed.

[aquart]

6. No. They knew that hijacking was not an al qaida stunt.

Didn't Bush attend a G7 conference in Italy where he stayed on board a Navy ship because he was scared that a building he was in would be attacked?

They knew jets were targeted. They knew al qaida was interested in destroying landmarks. They knew suicide attacks were possible. How slow do you have to be not to get what they were doing?

[Junkdrawer]

10. No even Osama thought the towers would fall...

And that's where the "players got played" comes in. Perhaps they had some assurances that something minor would happen - they sure got those Saudis out of the country double quick.

[Racenut20]

9. They NEEDED a terra-ist action.

In order to rescue what was a failing Presidency, and justify attacking Iraq for the oil. Now 578 more kids are dead because of it.

[Piperay]

11. That is EXACTLY what

I think, they KNEW something would happen but expected a hijacking which they let happen. I don't believe they knew how bad it was going to be, thought a few dozen people would die (that was acceptable). :mad:

[laruemtt]

12. so how does that explain the fact that

they did NOTHING after the first plane hit? no scrambling of fighter planes. no civil defense sirens. ALL DAY we only had the news channels to tell us what was going on. he took a solemn oath to defend us. what a crock.

[Junkdrawer]

13. They were worried about their own asses...

Which, again, makes me believe that they didn't expect what happened. And by "worried about their own asses", I also mean they were worried that their obstruction of anti-terror efforts would come out.

[Rex]

15. "obstruction of anti-terror efforts"

How is that not LIHOP? They knew, they did nothing. Even if they only marginally knew...why didn't they try and stop the Pentagon from being hit? 45 minutes between WTC and the Pentagon...and yet you believe they were STILL in to much shock to react? Poppycock I say!

[Junkdrawer]

17. OK. Humor me for a second...

Imagine that, knowing that al Qaeda had previously attacked either military (USS Cole) or governmental targets, they turn on the TV and see both towers of the World Trade Center on fire and top executives jumping to their deaths. Yeah they were in shock. And very much afraid for their asses.

[Rex]

19. There are Standard Operating Procedures that have been set

in place and are supposed to go into motion the MINUTE a plane gets hijacked. 45 minutes later a plane that was from the same airport as the ones that destroyed the WTC hits the Pentagon. Bush/Cheney are not even supposed to be involved in the process! And yet nothing happened that day...everything that should have went right, went wrong. SOPs just don't get ignored because people who train all their lives for a certain situation are in shock when the situation arises.

If they would have stopped the Pentagon hit, then I might agree with you about it not being LIHOP.

[shanti]

42. well, they made it seem

like they were worried about their own asses.

[neebob]

43. That's what I believe

It's beyond obvious; why everyone can't see it is a mystery to me. It doesn't even require any extra information about PNAC or Carlysle or Ashcroft not flyng or any of it. An average person should be able to figure it out based solely on the normal TV news since September 11 - even watching nothing but Fox. They let it happen and they took advantage of it.

It's also the best case, in my opinion.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. The evidence says they got exactly what they expected.

What do they gain by permitting a hijacking? A hijacking isn't a "catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor." A hijacking is not an act of war. They needed, sought, and got a traumatic, world-changing spectacle.

Here's just one piece of evidence supporting the case that they knew what to expect:

A number of FBI agents learned, months in advance, the dates and targets of the attacks, as well as the names and funding sources of the hijackers, but were warned off pursuing the investigation by agency headquarters with threat of persecution. Some of them took the information to David Schippers (former Chief Investigative Counsel for the US House Judiciary Committee), and he went to John Ashcroft's office with the information six weeks before the attacks, but was rebuffed. Schippers went public with this on September 13, 2001, and is now representing some agents in a suit against the federal government. The story was corroborated by William Norman Grigg in The New American. Grigg interviewed three FBI agents, and they confirmed "that the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the Bureau before September 11th." One of them said some FBI senior field agents knew, "almost precisely, what happened on September 11th."

Info cribbed from David Ray Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor," but there's more detail in Nafeez Ahmed's "The War on Freedom."

[nostamj]

16. my take... they expected to THWART a hijacking

I've been saying for YEARS now that the players likely got played

that a multiple hijacking scenerio was approved and that bushco would THWART the evil-doers while getting there TERROR rationale at the same time.

but what do I know?

[Minstrel Boy]

18. What evidence is there that they lifted a finger to thwart anything?

If they were expecting it, and intended to make a grand show of preventing it, shouldn't standard operating procedure have put in an appearance? Why the total collapse of response for nearly an hour and a half? Why, when jets were finally scrambled, did they take off from more distant bases and, according to the official story, must have flown at a fraction of their maximum speed?

[nostamj]

26. until the first WTC

they had no reason to think anything was wrong...

there was a stand-down at worst, a deliberate delay at best

[Minstrel Boy]

33. They knew multiple hijackings were underway

something like 20 minutes before the first building was struck.

[bpilgrim]

50. wrong

as soon as the plane was hijacked they knew something was wrong, BEFORE the plane hit the building.

911 took almost 2 hours to play out and not one was intercepted, why?

LIHOP at least

peace

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. They wanted to "thwart" nothing...they wanted/needed to...

..."galvanize" Americans for a war against certain Middle Eastern countries by creating "another Pearl Harbor". That language comes directly from the PNAC article entitled "Rebuilding America".

[worldgonekrazy]

20. It's just not possible

The Clinton team briefed them specifically on the threat of Al Qaeda. They got multiple warnings from foreign nations weeks before the attacks. I am sure they had access to intelligence reports that will NEVER see the light of day that have a lot more information than we know about. No way, no how. They might not have expected the towers to fall, but they knew full well what hte plan was.

[Junkdrawer]

21. Be honest now, prior to 9-11, if I told you terrorists..

would hijack airliners, what would you have expected? And, again, I absolutely agree that they did their damnest to make sure no one would stop the hijackers.

[laruemtt]

23. no, personally i could never have imagined

what happened. but the potus with all the intelligence he had been handed DID know. he was not surprised. he had been told they were planning to use commercial planes as missiles.

[Junkdrawer]

25. Then why did he say such moronic things at Brooker Elementary?

Why didn't they have a better, more heroic, plan in place?

Christ, if you contradicted yourself that many times in a murder investigation, you'd fry. If that was a plan.....

[laruemtt]

31. cuz they think we're

as stupid as they are? or as evil?

[Beam Me Up]

24. Who is "THEY" in your subject line?

If you mean BUSH, who the fuck knows WHAT * expected, if anything. He is a TOTAL MORON.

If you are a vice president or a member of cabinet or a member of the joint chiefs WHAT LEVEL OF DENIABILITY DURING A BLACK OP THAT COSTS THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS OF YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS DO YOU WANT?

[Junkdrawer]

29. OK, I'll buy that. it probably was a mixed bag...

with some expecting a showy hijacking and some expecting much worse. But the level of confusion immediately afterward has me believing that most were nonplussed.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

47. I've always thought the idea of deniability factored into this somehow

Thinking back to Iran-Contra, how Bush Sr. kept having to say he was "out of the loop," and how lame it sounded, makes me think that Cheney, or whoever had the most intelligence on the threat, still didn't want to know too much so he could have a lot of deniability.

We've seen how they have the ability to put their heads in the sand about things and focus only on what they want. It would still amount to an evil act, but stuff like that goes on all the time. For example, it seems to me, if the press had done their job about the Iraq war, we might not have even had it and there wouldn't be all these dead and maimed people, but they put their heads in the sand because they wanted the money.

[tom_paine]

27. Probably true.

[Jackpine Radical]

28. A simple question, which--if we had the answer, might

answer everything else--

Why are they stonewalling about the August (6??) PDB? What's in there?

[Junkdrawer]

30. AMEN.

I thought the same thing earlier.

[RamboLiberal]

36. Ever since I saw the PNAC's intent and heard they wanted a Pearl Harbor

I've believed they knew something was going to happen, but just didn't expect it would be this scale. After all previous al Qaida attacks had only killed a couple of hundred. They might have even thought a few planes would be blown up, a couple of hundred lost.

They probably hid this from the Boy King.

Couple of tidbits from Clarke book. Cheney attended the NSC Principals meeting - something no VP had ever done.

The morning of 9-11 NORAD was in the middle of an exercise code-named "Vigilant Warrior".

The damn jets were following peace time noise restrictions not going supersonic as they chased down the hijacked planes!

Clarke headed from his office 3 blocks away to the WH SitRep room as soon as the first plane hit. He knew right then it was probably terrorism. What's AWOL's excuse!

The CSG - Counterterrorism Security Group was on 5-minute tether during business hours. Twenty minutes at other times.

FAA knew immediately which flights hit the WTC.

And why the story Rummie kept working in his office? Clarke said he was one of the people on a communications screen from various locations - Rummy being the Pentagon - participating in this CSG emergency conference.

[Ontario Bureau Chief]

53. We know who REALLY is running things, don't we...

Karl Rove(erer) being Bush's brain explains a lot. Monkey-boy is only there for plausible deniability. The real PNAC crime family damn well knew the score, and allowed this to further engineer their agenda.

[Oilwellian]

38. Here's a great website with LIHOP links

(snip>
PROTECTING THE TERRORISTS / ALLOWING THEM TO ATTACK
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Order W199I-WF-213589 - FBI hindered in Al-Qaeda investigation

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- US agents told to "back off" Bin Ladens (ANANOVA)
- Bush Thwarted FBI probe against Bin Ladens (AFP)
- FBI told to "back off" investigating Bin Laden family before the attacks on Sept. 11th: BBC Newsnight Video
- Has someone been sitting on the FBI? BBC Newsnight transcript
- Bush took FBI Agents of bin Laden family trail (TIMES OF INDIA)
- FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated (LONDON GUARDIAN)
- FBI 'was told to back off bin Laden family' (SYDNEY MORNING HERALD)
- Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle on 9-11
- FBI agent: I was stymied in terror probe
- Whistleblower Complains of FBI Obstruction
- Judicial Watch press conference featuring special FBI agent Robert Wright - impeded from terrorist investigations
- Scandal Inside the FBI: Did G-Men Miss the Boat on 9-11?
- SECTION OF W199I DOCUMENT FROM GREG PALAST'S BOOK 'THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY'
- MINNESOTA FBI AGENTS WERE OBSTRUCTED IN PRE-SEPT. 11 TERRORIST INVESTIGATION BY 'HIGHER-UPS'
- FBI Lawyer Tells of Terror 'Roadblock'
- Minneapolis agent says FBI headquarters rewrote requests for search warrants for Moussaoui
- Agent Claims FBI Supervisor Thwarted Probe
- Agent blasts FBI over 11 September 'cover-up'
- Angry FBI agents joked about al Qaeda mole at HQ
- Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle - New evidence that the Bureau quashed another terror probe before 9/11
- FBI Agent: Bureau Prevented Terror Probe
- The ignored warning: FBI officer prevented from prosecuting future 9/11 hijacker
- FBI AGENT ROBERT WRIGHT SAYS FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED TO INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS CONTINUE TO PROTECT TERRORISTS FROM CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS

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Terrorists trained at US flight schools

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- Venice Airport Used for Covert Ops: What they're hiding down in Venice, Florida
- MadCowMorningNews coverage of Venice flight schools
- Pensacola NAS Link Faces More Scrutiny
- Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained At US Bases
- FBI Knew Terrorists were Using Flight Schools
- Did Terrorist Pilots Train at U.S. Military Schools?
- Visas for terrorist pilots surface
- Six months later, hijackers' visas arrive at flight school
- 6 Months Late, I.N.S. Notifies Flight School of Hijackers' Visas
- Bush 'displeased' over hijackers' visas
- Reaction of Senator Patrick Leahy to FBI warnings about terrorists being trained at US flight schools
- Alert FBI agent gave heads-up in July on Arabs in aviation
- FBI Warned of Training Before 11th
- FBI Agent Warned of Suspicious Flight Students Last Summer
- FBI cover-up of Mohamed Atta's last days
- Bin Laden: the former CIA 'client' obsessed with training pilots
- Hijack Plot Suspicions Raised With FBI in Aug.
- Flight school memo wasn't passed on
- Senator seeks Sept. 11 FBI investigation
- Pre-Attack Memo Cited Bin Laden
- Author of FBI Memo Praised for Expertise
- F.B.I. Knew for Years About Terror Pilot Training
- FBI Pigeonholed Agent's Request - Canvassing of Flight Schools For Al Qaeda Was Rejected
- Agent told CIA of flight students
- Agent Linked Pilot Trainees, Bin Laden
- Terrorist Ties Cited in Memo
- Justice Probed FBI on 9/11 Memo
- Visa scam at US Embassy allowed terrorists with links to 9/11 to enter country illegally

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Why the attacks occurred on September 11th: '9- 11 Drills'

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- On 9/11, CIA Was Running Simulation of a Plane Crashing into a Building
- Agency was to simulate plane crash on 9-11 (AirDisaster.com article, Google cache)
- Aviation Week's Aviation Week & Space Technology Article (NORAD Drill, Google cache)
- The U.S. Government, Not the Hijackers, 'Chose' the Date of the 9-11 Attacks
- U.S. SPY Satellite Agency’s Mock 9/11 Drill Exposes Administration Lies

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Protection of Zacarias Moussaoui

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The Moussaoui-Chechen Coverup <1> <2> <3>
- Access Denied - Minneapolis FBI agents impeded in terrorist investigations by Justice Department
- The '20th' hijacker had been a suspect for years - but he was ignored by intelligence agencies
- FAA security took no action against Moussaoui
- Flight School Warned F.B.I. of Suspicions
- Back in the Lion's Mouth - The INS had two chances to nab Mohamed Atta. It failed both times.
- FAA security took no action against Moussaoui
- Moussaoui Probe Pushed U.S. Limits
- Eagan flight trainer wouldn't let unease about Moussaoui rest
- Could It Have Been Stopped? (CBS report on Moussaoui issue)
- CIA Learned of Moussaoui Under Alias
- Agent Cited WTC Attack Ahead of 9/11

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Terrorist base in UK protected

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- Terror links in Europe: MI5 knew for years of London mosque's role
- Warnings on jail Muslims were ignored by ministers
- London Mosque Leader: We Warned About Radicals
- MI5 blunders over bomber

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Making it easy for the terrorists to attack

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- The Hijackers We Let Escape
- Hijackers 'trailed by CIA before attacks'
- Report: CIA Knew Two Sept. 11 Hijackers Were in U.S.
- September 11 hijacker questioned in January 2001
- CIA complicit on September 11? (MICHAEL SPRINGMAN INTERVIEW)
- FBI Let Suspected Terrorist Get Away
- Anti-terror Prober: OKC Bombing Suspect Worked at 9-11 Airport
- Terror Charity Got Fortune 500 Cash
- Screening system ignored nationality
- INS Action Ruled a Violation of Whistle-Blower Protections (Borders wide open)
- Armed pilots banned 2 months before 9-11 - FAA rescinded rule allowing guns in cockpits just before terror attacks
- Armed-pilot rule nixed after hijack briefing - Agency removed cockpit gun right despite July al-Qaida warning

<more>
http://infowars.com/sept11_archive.htm

[Junkdrawer]

39. "Bring It On"...Doesn't that sound like what these nuts...

would say if they heard there was going to be a hijacking?

[stopbush]

45. Here's my scenario

They expected a "normal" hijacking, though with multiple planes involved. The fully fueled jets were to be flown out to the western deserts and landed. Then, a stand-off of hours or days. In the end, the hijackers blow up a plane or two and kill a bunch of passengers. Our military storms the planes and rescues the few passengers still alive.

In this scenario, bush comes out as a hero. The scenario would still qualify as "the worst terror attack on American soil" since no one seems to think of Oklahoma City as a terror attack. The PATRIOT Act was already drawn up and ready to go pre-9/11. This scenario gives them a controlled version of the Pearl Harbor they desired because the attacks 1) happened on US soil and 2) were carried out by non-American terrorists. Sure, if you compare the horror of this scenario to 9/11, it's small. But if 9/11 hadn't run the way it did, this scenario would have been viewed as horrific...and horrific enough to enact PATRIOT, attack Iraq and proceed with the whole PNAC agenda.

I've even thought at times that Barbara Olson was planted as an insider on the one flight to be trolloped out later to witness to bush's heroism, ie: how the passengers kept their hopes alive by musing on their wonderful, get-tough prez.

And, the bushies thought they could control it all because OBL and his family were biz partners of the bushies! Clinton had it all wrong! You don't piss off your biz partners, you throw them a bone, pay 'em off and wait for them to fall in line.

But OBL had other plans and played bushco like a cheap fiddle. With the way cleared and the USAF interceptors told to stand down, OBL had enough time to thread the needle and wreak havoc on the USA. He waited until bush was in office because he 1) knew he was an unscrupulous moron and 2) he wanted to rub it in the capitalist/militaristic/PNAC noses.

I know this is all CT ranting, but it's got more credence than the WMD shit they fed the world for over a year.

[Junkdrawer]

46. Some like that is what I had in mind...

All it would have taken is Saudi agents feeding BushCo false details of what OBL's "plans" were. And in the shadowy world of middle east politics, who knows if those agents were in on the plan or hoodwinked with BushCo? Either way, they sure were spirited out of the country in a hurry.

[NuttyFluffers]

48. Emergency Broadcast System

I always wondered how come on that day it never came on. it was just full on uninterrupted media coverage. i always wondered about that.

and considering his rather blase attitude to the 2nd plane hitting it does strike one as a bit odd.

hopefully the 9/11 investigation gets more funding and gets to real answers.

[Ontario Bureau Chief]

51. EBS will be used for NESARA

...if it gets announced next week. Rest assured, something real nasty is going to go down in the next two weeks. I hope not, but the Bush crime family will stop at nothing to prevent NESARA from announcement.

Karl Rove's M.O. is distract, distract, distract.

www.nesara.us

[bobbieinok]

63. that's an interesting theory - explains B Olson: fits her past

[bpilgrim]

52. but they STILL let it happen on Purpose.

and i don't know where you get your info from but that obviously appears to be a hunch, unless you have some links?

but since we are talking hunches, after everything i have witnessed from this admin, everything i have read thus far on the subject, and especially the way those 3 buildings fell, leave me with the feeling that we are all getting played.

it's obvious though that they have plenty to hide AND that they are exploiting this horrible day for all it's worth.

the neoCONs and UBL both wanted this to happen is all i'm sure of now.

:hi:

peace

[Ontario Bureau Chief]

54. I agree, and...

that's the most unforgivable part, mark my words, the GOP is going to MILK 9-11 ALL THE WAY TO THE POLLING BOOTH THIS FALL!

Just like the Zionists (not the real Jews) like to milk the Holocaust for the sympathy play. Simply disgusting and pathetic, but unfortunately it works.

[Junkdrawer]

57. The more unbelievable the scenario, the more Rove likes it...

ever notice that only the most extreme "conspiracy theories" get played up in the RW media? But a plausible, "Bring It On(tm)", scenario is NEVER mentioned.

[Cooley Hurd]

58. Exactly! I believe wholeheartedly in LIHOP...

Knowing that they needed a "Pearl Harbor type" event to push their fascist agenda, they thought they'd allow an attack on US soil, just to shake up the population. What they didn't take into account was how large the scale of the attack would be.

[Junkdrawer]

61. Two possibilities...

1.) They never thought that the attacks would be as awful as they were.

2.) They were assured by someone that a particular plan would be followed and they were had(e.g. The players were played).

[Junkdrawer]

65. BTW: If you haven't already, you may want to read this DU article..

The Story So Far
May 29, 2002
By The Staff of The Bean Magazine

Part I - The Story So Far

In a certain large country to the west of one place and the east of another, an ambitious group of southerners manages to convince a large minority of their fellow citizens to vote for their presidential candidate, a compliant cretin with the morals of a rabid mink. Unfortunately, in a winner-take-all democracy this is not enough for him to win, so the mostly southern military obligingly sends in a few thousand illegal absentee ballots to tip the scales and the cretin's gutless opponent refuses to challenge him.

"Whoop-de-doo!" shout the handlers when the cretin dons the crown. The cretin and his handlers are in charge for four long years. They immediately start pursuing a loony right-wing agenda, trucking billions to all their rich friends and putting military leaders and their civilian catamites in positions of power -- long the custom in all banana republics.

But, much to the consternation of the handlers, the majority who actually won the election just won't sign off on their increasingly loony proposals. What they need is what they had in the good old days of a global face-off with a now defunct enemy: emergency powers, the pretext of a massive threat to the nation's security to crush or imprison their enemies, steal still more of the nation's common wealth, and pare down the annoying institution of democratic government to a useless nub.

Purely coincidentally, an old friend of the cretin, who's had a born-again experience and has decided that the great nation to the west of one place and the east of another is Satan incarnate, starts to make plans for an assault on the fortress of evil. Word comes to the cretin's handlers that this is in the works but rather than taking steps to pre-empt it they start top-secret internal discussions (from which the cretin is of course excluded). What if this attack, whatever it is, is allowed to proceed? they wonder.

The cretin's old friend is not a whole lot smarter than the cretin himself, coming from the same kind of rich, over-privileged spoilt-brat background with not the slightest knowledge of how his obsessions and whims and loony opinions affect real people in the real world. All his previous attacks have been indiscriminate hit-and-run bombings of poorly defended targets.

How much damage can this kind of nitwit really do on home ground? "A few casualties, sure," they admit, "but think what a pretext this will give us! A foreign attack on our great nation! Once again we will have a shadowy network of conspiratorial zealots across the world to threaten our security our very existence! Once again we will be able to assume emergency powers -- and then the sky's the limit!"

As the weeks of summer roll on, more intelligence comes in. The old friend is thinking about planes. For what isn't clear but (remembering the "how much damage can this kind of nitwit do?" scoff) the handlers decide to let the plane-related plans proceed -- no way the banana republicans will heighten airport surveillance, even though it's the most lax in the developed world.

The buddy's plan is bound, they think, to be a hijacking, which is always dramatic, and dramatic is what they're after.

More information comes in, and the story gets better yet. It now seems from the informers that the old friend/nitwit has his eye on a great city in the north which despises the southerners and their puppet president and which the southerners, in turn, never fail to smear, denigrate and deny funds to at every opportunity. So now they're killing two birds with one stone; a disaster of some kind will strike the city they despise and they'll get their pretext to declare that crucial emergency.

The handlers rub their hands with evil glee at the news. This is double the reasons for letting the cretin's old friend do his worst! All they tell the cretin is that his old friend is planning some craziness and that it will be taken care of, not to worry, have a nice vacation.

Then one sunny morning the old friend pulls the trigger. It's far worse than the banana republicans ever dreamed (and actually than the old friend ever dreamed). When the cretin gets the news -- it's hard to think on your feet if you're a cretin -- his eyes pop out of his head with panic and fear. The handlers whisk him off in a plane and fly him around the country for eight hours while they explain why this disaster may actually be the greatest thing that ever happened to a banana republic in the entire history of banana republics.

More...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/05/29_story.html

[Ganja Ninja]

60. They knew something was going to happen and ....

they did the Republican thing. They looked out for themselves. Here's the proof:

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

[polazarus]

64. Yeah

Those people are just so evil. LIARS! LIARS!