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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 02:25 AM
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Fortuitous Coincidences, part deux
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Wolfowitz was openly dismissive of al-Qaeda in spring of 2001, and talked about the need instead to focus on Iraqi terrorism against the US. Clarke pointed out that there had not been any in a decade. And, the pressure Bush put on Clarke and others after 9/11 to find an Iraq connection is consistent with what else we know about the distortion and politicization of intelligence. The transcript is at sadlyno.com (a tip of the hat to Swopa for the cite)... Clarke's account even raises the question of who beat back Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and insisted that Afghanistan and al-Qaeda be dealt with first. A kind reader resolved this puzzle for me. It was a combination of Tony Blair and Colin Powell, according to Sir Christopher Meyer, the UK ambassador to Washington at that time. See also the comments at Obsidian Wings, a Web Log, on this British connection.

These revelations in turn make Tony Blair's behavior more understandable. Right after 9/11, it was entirely possible that London should also be hit. MI-6 would have had an excellent appraisal of the jihadi networks in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and would have known that the 40 terrorist training camps in Afghanistan were a seething swamp out of which the mosquitoes kept coming to sting the US and Europe. There were even questions at the time about whether a British subject had trained at one of the flight schools.

So, Blair and the British establishment must have been taken aback at the bizarre early stance of the Bush administration, that they intended hit Iraq and leave Bin Laden alone. Indeed, Blair must have been absolutely frantic that the weird Bush crew might plunge the Middle East into chaos while leaving the main threat still operating. So Blair frantically flies to DC, makes an alliance with Powell, and makes a devil's bargain. The Bushies can have Iraq if they want it. But only at a price: They must take care of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan first. If they do it in that sequence, Blair would provide them a cover against charges of complete unilateral aggression.

The level of cynicism among the anti-Iraq hawks like Wolfowitz, in the wake of a huge national tragedy like September 11, is breathtaking. Even Wolfowitz admitted to Bush that the likelihood Iraq had anything to do with it was between 10 and 50 percent. And, he almost certainly knew that there was no link at all. For the calculations driving the Necons, see Eric Margolis's excellent piece in The American Conservative.

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This is from the Margolis article-

http://amconmag.com/2004_03_29/article.html

Twenty-four years ago, the U.S. encouraged Iraq’s ruler, Saddam Hussein, to invade Iran and overthrow the new revolutionary Islamic government of Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The U.S. and Britain secretly aided Iraq with arms, finance, chemical and biological weapons, intelligence, military advisors, and diplomatic support in its bloody war against Iran that lasted eight years and caused one million casualties. But when Saddam Hussein grew too big for his boots, his former U.S. and British patrons brought him down. Now, over two decades later, another powerful Muslim cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali el-Sistani, is challenging America’s Mideast Raj, and Washington has reacted to this perfectly predictable event with deep consternation and confusion.

The Bush administration was assured by the neoconservatives who engineered the Iraq War that a co-operative, turban-free regime of pro-U.S. Iraqis would quickly be installed in Baghdad, led by convicted swindler Ahmad Chalabi. However, if Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress cronies failed, so much the better, went neocon thinking. Their primary objective was to destroy Iraq, not to rebuild it; for Iraq, once the Arab world’s best educated, most industrialized nation, had to be expunged as a potential military and strategic challenge to Israel. So now the U.S. has its own West Bank in Iraq.

In the 1920s, Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky called for Israel to rule “from the Nile to the Euphrates,” as the famous slogan went, by smashing the fragile mosaic of its Arab neighbors into ethnic fragments, then seizing the oil riches of Arabia. So Israel’s far Right and its American neocon fellow travelers are perfectly happy to see Iraq divided de facto into its three component ethnic parts: Shia, Sunni Arab, and Kurd. Better a feeble Iraq broken into weak cantons, like post-1975 Lebanon, than a nation united, even under a U.S.-run regime.

But while Likudniks rejoice at the destruction of their ancient enemy, the United States faces the conundrum of how to forge a seemingly democratic government in Iraq in the face of the nation’s impossible ethnic-religious calculus. Installing a brutal general to run Iraq would be far more convenient. But having found no weapons of mass destruction, the embarrassed Bush administration is now touting creation of democracy as its casus belli and so must go through the motions of democratization.

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...and isn't it conveeeenient that Israel stages a big assassination right now when Clarke's information is coming out.

...and don't forget that Perle, as Sy Hersh noted in the 70s, was giving classified information to the Likud faction...

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and then there's Karen Kwiatkowski's articles about the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, where she notes that Israeli generals didn't even have to bother to sign in at the Pentagon to meet with the neocons...


http://www.amconmag.com/12_1_03/feature.html

...About that same time, my education on the history and generation of the neoconservative movement had completed its first stage. I now understood that neoconservatism was both unhistorical and based on the organizing construct of “permanent revolution.” I had studied the role played by hawkish former Sen. Scoop Jackson (D-Wash.) and the neoconservative drift of formerly traditional magazines like National Review and think tanks like the Heritage Foundation. I had observed that many of the neoconservatives in the Pentagon not only had limited military experience, if any at all, but they also advocated theories of war that struck me as rejections of classical liberalism, natural law, and constitutional strictures. More than that, the pressure of the intelligence community to conform, the rejection of it when it failed to produce intelligence suitable for supporting the “Iraq is an imminent threat to the United States” agenda, and the amazing things I was hearing in both Bush and Cheney speeches told me that not only do neoconservatives hold a theory based on ideas not embraced by the American mainstream, but they also have a collective contempt for fact...

http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/article3.html

...the subtle changes I saw from September to late January were revealing as to what exactly the Office of Special Plans was contributing to national security. Two key types of modifications would be directed, or approved, by Abe Shulsky and his team of politicos. First was the deletion of entire references or bullets. The one I remember most specifically is when they dropped the bullet that said one of Saddam’s intelligence operatives met with Mohamed Atta in Prague and that this was salient proof that Saddam was in part responsible for the 9/11 attack. It lasted through several revisions, but after the media reported the claim as unsubstantiated by U.S. intelligence, denied by the Czech government, and that the location of Atta had been confirmed to be elsewhere by our own FBI, that particular bullet was dropped entirely from our “advice on things to say” to senior Pentagon officials when they met with guests or outsiders.

The other type of change to the talking points was along the lines of fine-tuning and generalizing. Much of what was there was already so general as to be less than accurate. Some bullets would be softened, particularly statements of Saddam’s readiness and capability in the chemical, biological, or nuclear arena. Others were altered over time to match more exactly something Bush or Cheney had said in recent speeches. One item I never saw in our talking points was a reference to Saddam’s purported attempt to buy yellowcake uranium in Niger. The OSP list of crime and evil included a statement relating to Saddam’s attempts to seek fissionable materials or uranium in Africa. (Our point, written mostly in the present tense had conveniently omitted dates of the last known attempt, some time in the late 1980s.) I was later surprised to hear the president’s mention of the yellowcake in Niger because that indeed would be new, and in theory might have represented new actual intelligence, something remarkably absent in what we were seeing from the OSP...

http://www.amconmag.com/1_19_04/article1.html

...There were several shared prerequisites to get on the Neoconservative List of Major Despicable People, and in spite of the rhetoric hurled against these enemies of the state, most really weren’t Rodents of Unusual Size. Most, in fact, were retired from a branch of the military with a star or two or four on their shoulders. All could and did rationally argue the many illogical points in the neoconservative strategy of offensive democracy—guys like Brent Scowcroft, Barry McCaffrey, Anthony Zinni, and Colin Powell.

I was present at a staff meeting when Deputy Undersecretary Bill Luti called General Zinni a traitor. At another time, I discussed with a political appointee the service being rendered by Colin Powell in the early winter and was told the best service he could offer would be to quit. I heard in another staff meeting a derogatory story about a little Tommy Fargo who was acting up. Little Tommy was, of course, Commander, Pacific Forces, Admiral Fargo. This was shared with the rest of us as a Bill Luti lesson in civilian control of the military. It was certainly not civil or controlled, but the message was crystal.

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and the neocon agenda melds perfectly with the Reich wing religious Talibornagain in America which is practically wetting its pants as it hopes to bring about the apocalypse, one biggie in this is that Israel owns all the ancient real estate from the O.T...

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...and all this makes me wonder about that Vreeland guy who was in prison in Canada with his note about an attack on America, and his information about the Iraq/Russian connection...sort of a little drummer boy to make the case for an invasion of Iraq...but he's disappeared now...

I also remember reading recently that Baghdad is the capitol of forgeries, which made me think about Vreeland and yellow cake and Chalabi, that other neocon favorite...

Is it just me, or do there seem to be too many facile conveniences here?
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 04:11 AM
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1. I remember the Canadian thing
But it's foggy...what was the Iraq-Russian connection?


Cher
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:45 AM
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2. This is weird world
...and I have no idea where the truth exists in this incident. however, the one explanation that makes a sort of sick sense is that he was given disinformation from someone with just enough truth to it (knowing about the attacks in advance) to make the rest of his allegations believable...but who knows?

http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one

Sometime around August 11 or 12, Vreeland wrote a set of notes. They listed a number of potential terrorist targets including the Sears Towers, World Trade Center, White House, and Pentagon. The notes also included the phrase, "Let one happen. Stop the rest!!!" He sealed them in an envelope and handed them to his Canadian jailers. His lawyers, Galati and Paul Slansky, another well-known former Canadian prosecutor, introduced the documents into court that October, arguing that Vreeland’s life would be in danger if he was sent back to the U.S. The lawyers were harassed with dead cats hung on their porches, and smashed car windows. Galati has since bowed out of the case...

Did Jailed 'Spy' In Canada Predict The 911 Attacks On America?

By Nick Pron
Staff Reporter
The Toronto Star Page B-3
10-23-1

...The 35-year-old American claims to be a lieutenant in a U.S. Navy intelligence unit - a spy who says he knew in advance about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

In his affidavit, he says he tried to warn Canadian intelligence about possible terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon, along with targets in Ottawa and Toronto, but was written off as a petty criminal.

So he wrote the warning on a piece of paper, sealed it in an envelope, and handed it to jail guards a month before the attacks. They opened the letter Sept. 14 and immediately forwarded the information to Ottawa.

...Late last year, he says, he came to Canada to help smuggle Russian military secrets out of Moscow, including Russia's plan to counter the American 'Star Wars' missile defence system. While in Moscow, Vreeland says, he met Bastien.

--this, I must say, is almost certainly a lie. Andre Sahkarov, the famous Russian scientist who was jailed for criticizing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, was released by Gorbachev, who, Chalmers Johnson notes, wanted to talk to him about SDI. Sahkarov advised that such a system was not really anything to worry about and counter-measures would be easy to take, and would not be expensive.

the Soviets were cutting back on new investments in weaponry at that time, and there is no reason for me to believe they suddenly concerned about a system they had already studied and decided was not a serious issue.

(however, SDI IS a pet project of Reagan acolytes and the people who could make lots of cash from it...)
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:48 AM
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3. fwiw-
Edited on Tue Mar-23-04 07:52 AM by RainDog
there is also another site (if you google Vreeland's name) that states Vreeland says that another attack was going to be with "red mercury" --some sort of portable nuclear device, I think-- I'll go try to find the link.

the guy wrote it disses Ruppert.

here is one site which dismisses Vreeland

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/vreeland.html
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 12:40 PM
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4. thanks, raindog
I look forward to reading these.


Cher
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 01:07 PM
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5. Vreeland is really a distraction from the issues
who knows about him.

but what people who were inside on the operations have now noted, from at least three different conservative sources, is that the Bushoviks seemingly could have cared less about terrorism, per se...as in who did it.

They wanted Iraq.

Right-wing Israel wants America to occupy Iraq, as well.

We have already stated that we intend to keep bases in Iraq, so that we will, in effect, be a colonial power, as Britain was (and we are also Britain's proxy.

So imagine how these facts are going to effect Muslims who want self-determination around the world...

the invasion of Iraq, as at least three retired Generals warned, though I remember six testifying, will make us more of a target for terrorism.

Our govt is lying to the American people about this, as well.

But either way, Israel's right wing has been placated, as has the religious right wing in this country.

So let them send their sons as targets, and let their sons and daughters serve as human shields for the rest of us in this nation who opposed this military adventurism.

Imperial America is here with a vengeance.
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