Don Rumsfeld on deck 3:33pm EST on CNN

[WilliamPitt]

:grr:

[Guaranteed]

1. Wolfowitz is with him, too nt

[IronLionZion]

2. William Cohen sounded soooooo much more intelligent

than this asshole. :mad: :puke:

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. Such bile. Rumsfeld is using the Administration meme.

Before 9/11 it never occurred to them that airplanes would be used to fly into the trade center. And before that, he used emotive, graphic description of the attack, as if we need a reminder.

[morgan2]

42. his exact words were

that they had no evidence that they were going to hijack civil airplanes and fly them into the pentagon and the wtc. That leaves a lot open, they could have known they were going to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings but didn't know which..

[VelmaD]

3. I guess since they can't go with...

testimony at 6:66 that 3:33 is the next best thing.

What is he lying about today...for those of us stuck at work

[Teddy_Salad]

4. Let's see.....

.....how 'tough' Bob Kerrey is on this psychopathic liar, after his dressing-down of Bill Cohen.

[tridim]

5. Just took the oath

to tell the whole truth and nothing but. Start counting the lies.

[PaDUer]

20. Probably has his toes crossed

instead of his fingers!

[oregonjen]

6. He probably had his left fingers crossed in his lap while swearing

to tell the truth!

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. Rumsfeld in the house!

And in the hot seat. Let's see if he filibusters like Powell did.

[Vickers]

8. Was he at the Pentagon "moments after" it was hit?

That doesn't sound right.

[Emboldened Chimp]

17. No, he was in the Pentagon when it got hit

He's right, for once.

[Vickers]

25. Thanks!

I recalled hearing otherwise, but I stand corrected.

[PaDUer]

26. Right...and don't forget who

was at the WH w/ Pops!

[leftchick]

9. I certainly hope they pull out THE reference book again...

Meaning Clarke's book and ask him about the lack of "no good" targets in Afghanistan but lots in Iraq!

:grr:

[readmylips]

10. Rumsfelt walks in as if he were a rockstar....

what a jerk. He's always greening like the sick psychopath that he is.

Rumbutt is laying down politics...blah...blah...blah. Get to it Rumbutt. Don't be wasting the committee's time.

[handywork]

12. who is on now??? 3:35

this does not sound like rummy. but i only have cnn on the radio...

[54anickel]

21. It's him. You're right, I had to walk over and look at the TV to see if

it was him. Sounds a bit different than usual, but the arrogance of the words leave no doubt.

[Emboldened Chimp]

35. He's being careful because he's under oath

Gotta make sure he's not too obvious with his lies...he doesn't want another Face the Nation moment...

[handywork]

51. good point

I should have just listened a little longer and counted the number of times i cringed i forgot 20 cringes/min is rummy.

[gulfcoastliberal]

13. Holding * On High

Oh, how bold and decisive he is agianst thsoe awful terrarists!

[Cleita]

14. Why is he just reading a prepared statement?

Will he be questioned?

[shoopnyc123]

16. Lying already!

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. Yes.

They all spoke off prepared statements. So far, Powell's was the longest. And yes, questions will be asked later, but it's all timed.

[underpants]

15. C-SPAN 3 link

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[maveric]

19. He just said that "another attack on the US WILL be attempted".

You know something we dont know Rummy?

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. Madeleine Albright gave the same warning.

She wasn't big on spending too much time on placing blame on anyone, either on the Clinton or Bush side. I think she does believe we need to work on this together because the danger is imminent.

[rocktivity]

22. Thanks for the new thread

Wake me up when you get to this part, Rummy!



:headbang:
rocknation
NYC Peace March Pics

[Andy_Stephenson]

23. I hate this man!

Truly I do.

[BeHereNow]

44. Oh and how...

Me 2!
This whole hearing is such a SHAM given that the
foxes are investigating who ransacked the chicken coop.
Seen this?
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Thomas_H._Kean
"Now, 'by sheer coincidence', former New
Jersey governor Thomas Kean, the man
chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11
commission also has business ties with bin
Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi.

"Thomas Kean is a director (and
shareholder) of Amerada Hess
Corporation , which is involved in the
Hess-Delta joint venture with Delta Oil of
Saudi Arabia (owned by the bin Mahfouz
and Al-Amoudi clans)."
Wanna have some fun, run the commission names
thru the disinfopedia.org engine...such a crock this "investigation."
BHN

[G_j]

24. Dr. Strangefeld smelt the smoke of the Pentagon attack

(from the cafeteria)

[gulfcoastliberal]

27. Rice asked for an Initiative against al-queda Bush's First Week!!

Oh, that's rich. How about "Dr." Rice gets her scrawny ass in that commission hotseat and say it herself, eh Rummy?

[GOPisEvil]

28. Does that SOB see his reflection in a mirror?

I'm guessing not. Rumsferatu is a very at nickname. It's just as well that I'm not watching this shit, or I'd throw something at my TV.

[matcom]

29. FRY HIS LYING CRIMINAL CROOKED ASS!!

PLEASE slam this fuck DOWN!

[Andy_Stephenson]

31. Termite says

"WTF is he talking about? It all sounds like gobeldy gook to me."

[PaDUer]

33. that's exactly right...

double talk..

[VelmaD]

34. That Termite...

he boils it all down to the raw truth sometimes. :)

[Andy_Stephenson]

38. That is why I love him

boils it down and condenses it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. So far Albright, Cohen and the dark haired guy before Cohen

were the most authoritative and professional.

[derby378]

32. Heads up

A moment ago, he asked the committee to imagine how many nations would join us in a strike against al-Qaeda based on "what little was known" about them before 9/11.

Uh - excuse me? What you mean "how little?" (Other than your, er, manhood...)

[Amaya]

36. That guy is the slimiest piece of shit

to ever to walk the earth :grr: :mad:

[Minstrel Boy]

37. Oddly, he entirely skipped over how, in the summer of 2001, he

sponsored a Pentagon study of ancient empires - Macedonia, Rome, the Mongols - to learn how they maintained dominance.

[proud patriot]

40. Streaming Link HERE

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[readmylips]

41. Rumbutt didn't cancel his meeting to find out what...

had happened in NYC. He continued and left to a second meeting in the Pentagon and the explosion hit the Pentagon.

If there's a huge explosion, I would think that he would have been on the Red phone calling to find out information. Was his meeting that important when our country was being attacked?

[Andy_Stephenson]

43. Termite now says...

"He is all over the fucking map...what was the question he was answering?"

[VelmaD]

46. Tell him not to take this the wrong way...

but Termite is starting to remind me of my momma. :) Her basic response to most of the administration briefings has been something along of the lines of "what the hell is he talking about?"

[MaineDem]

45. Where's all the pre-911 stuff?

I thought this was to be about the lead-up not how "wondeful" this administration was AFTER the event.

He's hogging all the time like Powell did. Scum!

[54anickel]

53. He's off onto the future now - sheesh!

[Andy_Stephenson]

54. Termite says...

"why the hell is he talking about the future? When he should be talking about the here and now."

[leftchick]

47. ZZZzzzzzzzzzz.....

who knew rummy's lies could be soooo sleep inducing?

[Andy_Stephenson]

59. They have kept most of the country asleep for the

last 3 years. soooo

[kentuck]

48. Who in the hell is Ben Layden??

That Rumsfeld keeps referring to???

[ellie]

49. I'm enjoying how

he prounounces words. Bin layden? Uusoma? Soup Ladle? My DH says I bet he can prounounce oil.

[thebigidea]

50. Ask Rummy - he knows all!

pose your puzzlers here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1273757

[The Backlash Cometh]

52. Interesting position. 9/11 had to happen.

Did he just say that if they had gotten bin Laden before 9/11 that 9/11 would have been viewed as retaliation for his capture/death? If so, why were they about to impliment more aggressive methods in the Bush Administration? Rumsfeld is cross-talking

[tridim]

It's the unknown knowns silly

or is that the known unknowns? Could be the unknown unknowns for all I know. The only pertinent 'known' is that Rummy is a monster and a criminal.

[leftchick]

56. well it certainly had to happen for the PNAC

agenda to be implemented. ergo: LIHOP!

:grr:

[readmylips]

55. Rumbutt is now changing the subject.....

We need to change this, and that, etc. Rumbutt's advise already got is the hate of the whole world.

[snooper2]

57. How long is he going to ramble?

This is crazy...blah blah blah blah..

[proud patriot]

60. Shut Up Rummy and answer some questions

:grr:

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

58. Wake me up when he's done

snore

[Kahuna]

61. It's 4:01 and he's still giving his "brief" statement..

Very cute, Rummy. Not! :grr:

[never cry wolf]

73. Want's to lessen the stovepiping of intel

yeah, suuure you do. Why not start by discussing the OSP asshole. He also mentioned how important it was to change the mind set of potential radical muslims so that they won't be recruited into terrorism. Hey, lets invade and occupy two muslim countries killing and maiming tens of thousands in the process, that'll make em love us!!

:nuke:

[54anickel]

62. He alluding to the Spain elections in that comment of how terrorism

changes behaviors or whatever?

[ellie]

63. Here is Kerrey now

n/t

[derby378]

Rumsfeld just claimed he'll parrot Powell's answers

"Because I believe he did a good job." *sigh*

[leftchick]

64. He Is DISGUSTING they way he giggles

and laughs in front of the 9/11 victims' families.

[Corgigal]

65. Rummy said

they wanted a new policy on counter terrorism, BUT why would you need that if you didn't replace the counter terrorism expert?

[Guaranteed]

66. Wow....Kerrey just slammed Rumsfeld.

We thought Kerry was picking on Cohen...he refined his questions and made them even tougher against Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld's flailing.

[proud patriot]

67. Kerrey is hitting everybody equally hard

Good job !

[Guaranteed]

69. Cohen at least held his ground...Rumsfeld's already knocked out,

on the first question LOL.

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. What was the applause for?

I missed that.

[BlueStateGirl]

70. Saying that the pilots should have been locked up front, that the FAA

should have taken precautions.

[Guaranteed]

71. I think it was Kerry suggesting specific things that

we could have done, at the airports, for example, to prevent 9/11.

[teach1st]

Taking airline security precautions before 9/11

Kerrey asked why it wasn't done. Crowd applauded, presumably 9/11 victims' relatives.

[underpants]

72. Locks on cock pit doors ...post 9/11 measures

Rummy was then put on the spot and asked if they would have implemented them without 9/11 happening .....uh...9/11 DID happen....uh.....Yes I think we would have.

[revcarol]

77. You mean Kerrey actually asked a question?

All I heard before was posturing and softpedalling of repug failures.

[maveric]

74. "Bu$h came to DC with a mission to stop terror". Did Rummy say this?

Right....

[underpants]

75. Kerrey states: NO new military options before 9/11

Our investigation has shown there were NO NEW military options available..

[LifeDuringWartime]

82. rumsfeld: not a lot of good targets in afghanistan

he said it again!

[The Backlash Cometh]

87. I think it's becoming clear that we didn't have enough information to

justify a pre-9/11 military action, i.e. war with Afghanistan. We didn't even know that the Taliban and bin Laden were so interlinked until early in the Bush Administration. And even if we did go to war, we would have the same success we see today -- result: no bin Laden. Therefore, our only option was selective military cruise missile attacks when human intelligence gave us information on bin Laden's whereabouts.

Where Bush failed was that he did not respond to the chatter in the same pro-active way that the Clinton Administration did.

And we have yet to learn if the Bush Administration was doing anything else in Afghanistan that would have worked counter-productively to the few bits of counter-terrorist measures we had in place prior to 9/11.

[underpants]

101. I think they weren't as proactive because Clinton was

MUST do the opposite of the evil Bill.....he could not do anything correctly...nothing....must reverse all policy.....

[The Backlash Cometh]

108. ABC = Anything But Clinton.

Precisely. And they have to accept the consequences of their decision.

[Spazito]

76. Okay, I have to eat some crow...

Kerry is hitting Rumsfeld hard so at the most he is only "half an a**hole". I still think that his attack on Cohen was personal so am only eating half a crow.

[leftchick]

89. float like a butterfly...

sting like a bee! I think he made rummy look like a lying ass!

[seabeyond]

78. rumsfield just said afghanistan doesnt have a lot of targets

isnt that what clarke just said that rumsfield said and all repug heads said he didnt say. didnt sound like rumsfield

[Guaranteed]

79. LOL "Maybe someone else would like to respond"

<glancing at Wolfowitz>

Rummy's getting sick of being picked on, and Wolfowitz is hiding under the table. LOL He doesn't want NONE of it

[Corgigal]

80. Kerrey's not buying the answer either

he says he sees NO evidence that Rice requested a new policy and while he understands it takes time for a new adminstration, it shouldn't take 8 months for a new military policy when you knew for years that terrorism was on-going.

[The Backlash Cometh]

98. Powell said 8 months, but a Repub senator corrected him to 7 months.

*

[underpants]

81. Rummy:"As I have said There just aren't a lot of targets in Afghanistan"

BAM!

[Beetwasher]

83. WTF does that even mean????

n/t

[LifeDuringWartime]

85. not alot of big buildings to level?

:shrug:

[underpants]

96. Yes no press shots and Clarke said he said just that

in the book.

[Mattforclark]

105. I thought I remembered him saying that in a news conference...

Back in 2001/02

What is the big deal about saying that, in and of itself? It's true, after all. Neither Afghanistan nor Al Qaeda had a well developed, "target-rich" infrastructure.

It is only when it is added to the context of "so let's attack Iraq instead, it has plenty of targets," that it becomes ominous.

[Mattforclark]

97. It means that

from a military standpoint, there are not many targets that it makes a whole lot of sense to drop 2000 pound bombs on.

[0007]

102. There was more tagets in Iraq, that why the admin wanted to

go after Iraq according to Wolfowitz.

[teach1st]

84. Plan?

Seems to me that Clinton's admin says there was a counter-terrorist plan on transition. The Bushites are saying there was not a plan.

[RedSock]

88. terror plans

so rummy et al didn't like the clinton plans when they took office

so according to evidence (kerrey says) there was no new plans in 2001.

8 months of nothing -- as the warnings piled up to the heights of the WTC.

i swear i see blood dripping from rumsfeld's hands.

[Corgigal]

93. so rummy didn't like the clinton plans when they took office

Okay, then why didn't they replace Clarke? Since he would write the SAME policy again, if they wanted a new point of view why would you ask the same actors the same question?

[murielm99]

What is all this about it taking so long to put a team in place?

Isn't the confirmation process because we are still a democracy?

He wants his rummy-junta to just take over?

Oh, the Senate! Shame on the Senate!

At least it is a change from blaming Clinton.

[kentuck]

90. There was no plan because...

they didn't want ot use the Clinton plan and they had not yet put their new plan in place. So there was no plan in place at all....End of story.

[The Backlash Cometh]

104. My God. I think you have that right. The Clinton transition team told

them al Qaeda was an imminent threat and the Bush Administration implimented ABC -- Anything But Clinton. It took them seven months to come up with a plan of their own. By then, it was too late.

Which proves to me that if Gore had been president, 9/11 could have been avoided.

[G_j]

86. a laugh fest..chuckle chuckle

I must have missed the "joke" :argh:

[LifeDuringWartime]

92. this comission is the joke!

n/t

[htuttle]

94. The joke is on us

"It's been a fabulous year for Laura and me."
-- George W. Bush, 12/2001

[leftchick]

103. it is sickening embarrassing and an absolute dishonor..

to the victims of Sept. 11.... this commission is a fucking sham!
For God's sakes, did anyone giggle during the Warren commision
(sham that that was too!) ?

[G_j]

114. just a bunch of 'old boys' patting themselves on the back

and thinking how clever they are. They are truely sick people.
thousands upon thousands died...

[Spazito]

91. I wish someone there, anyone, would ask Rumsfeld...

if he thinks joking and laughing while testifying as to why almost 3000 people died is in ANY way appropriate! It is beyond sickening.

[Beetwasher]

99. Indeed. Mr. Rumsfeld, Do You Find This Situation Amusing?

n/t

[Cush]

95. Gorton: What made you think we had 3 years?

Given all that had happened, your process would have taken three years. What gave you the impression that we had that time?

[underpants]

100. 7 months much less 3 years

with the frequency of attacks prior to that.

[underpants]

106. Rummy on the difficulting of running a 90 nation coalition

:eyes:

[Mattforclark]

111. He mixes up Al-Qaeda and Iraq

Some sort of obscure mental problem, probably.

Don't worry though, I think he was referring to Al Qaeda. And if he wasn't, there are plenty of excellent psychiatrists that would be more than glad to examine him.

[mzmolly]

107. Off to watch!

:puke:

Oh how nice it was to visit the park today instead.

Now...back to the brutal reality of this country and it's current mis-administation. :cry:

[LifeDuringWartime]

109. "there hasn't been

a successful terrorist act against the united states since then."

i guess its not terrorism when a white american mails anthrax to the opposition party :argh:

[IronLionZion]

118. That white guy was fighting the terrorists

because clearly anyone who opposes Bush is a terrorist.
Democrats, terrorists, what's the difference?

[Cush]

110. Ben-Beniste Askng the Q's

[LifeDuringWartime]

112. pacifica stream just died

:(

[Mattforclark]

113. It's on NPR

(at least on my local station, I don't know about nationally). Or you can get it at CSPAN.org

[kaitykaity]

115. How many times will Rumsferatu say "I didn't do that"?

This is painful. Is there a question in there somewhere, sir?

[livetohike]

116. "Spikes in Intel activity"

and people running around with their hair on fire. What an image.

Rumsfeld is an idiot. Someone slam him, please.

[underpants]

117. Ben-Veniste'BUT NO ONE DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT"

ON planes being used which Rummy said that he didn't say THEY didn't know about but that HE didn't know about.....civil aviation flyer suddenly is handed to him.....now trying to give some "context".

[Moderator]

119. Locking

this is long enough for now and we are getting requests to consolidate.

continue here please.

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