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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:43 PM
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I believe we are witnessing the long-awaited implosion...
Edited on Tue Mar-23-04 07:58 PM by DemsUnite
They're scared, folks. I see it in their faces (Condi, anyone?), hear it in their voices. The jig is up and they are in hardcore damage control. The administration has been dealt a knee-buckling blow to the chin and are bleeding from their mouths.

And it gets better.

Bush and his handlers are woefully inadequate when trying to improvise. If it isn't staged or printed on a cue card, they are lost. Richard Clarke was not supposed to happen. (Spain's abandonment, either). And so... they have been forced to react. Quickly, with very little time to weigh the implications of what is being said as it relates to the previous half-truths and outright lies of the past. Mistakes are surely being made.

Enjoy the show. Methinks the New American Century is going to fall 96 years short...

(edited to include additional thought)
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:46 PM
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1. Good news... Bad news.
The good news is the media are starting to fulfill their obligation to the people.

The bad news is these guys always pull something out of their a**es.

Only time will tell, but I ain't getting my hopes up just yet.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:47 PM
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2. I'll believe it when I see it (n/t)
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MadProphetMargin Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:47 PM
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3. Optimist.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:51 PM
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4. Republicans are dropping $2MM a week on commercials
attacking Kerry, but I think they might as well put the moeny in a shredder and let it rip. People are listening to the hearings and I think the commercials become a major irritation.....people are getting testimony that the Bush administration did absolutely nothing about terrorism and then they see the RNC commercials telling them that Bush is a great wartime leader....no sale.

Bush today: if we had evidence that AQ was going to hit the WTC on 9/11, we would have stopped it. Does that mean the terrorists will be sending George an e-mail next time with event specifics?

Somehow, that statement today is all the proof I need to know how incompetent this man really is. He is totally unfit to be even a fake POTUS.
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MadProphetMargin Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:54 PM
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6. Depends on your POV. For example, if you happen to be a
fundamentalist whackjob, or a corporate CEO swine, he's doing very nicely, indeed.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:03 PM
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17. I agree re: dumbya's statement today....
He was completely lost. Even the bravado was embarrassingly transparent.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:52 PM
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5. bushco* had the Clarke's book to review for months
you'd think they would be prepared. But after watching the last few days, they all have the deer caught in the headlights look.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:02 PM
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8. really? do you have a link?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:06 PM
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10. absolutely.

transcript of today's press briefing would have it. Snotty was questioned on it.

the spinners are SO proud the an industry publication had an April release date in it.

reporters said: how long did the WH hold the book for venting?

Snotty: an industry publication had an April release date in it.
why did he chose to release it NOW?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:18 PM
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14. It does prove how damaging this book is.
They vetted it for 3 months. I'm sure they looked for any/every bit of contradictory evidence to refute with no apparent success. So the reason they look so bad is because the basic hypothesis of the book, namely, that this administration gave a low/no priority to AQ terror is correct.

But I think it goes a little deeper. I recall, shortly after 9/11, there was a post here that linked a CNN aticle to a report that CIA had assets in Al Quida. So it wouldn't surprise me if this administration figured that they had the inside intel on AQ and there was no need to have a formal briefing/reporting structure in the WH. Maybe even thought they really knew what the attack on America plan was all about (dates, targets, etc). Maybe they were fed some bogus intel, too.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:07 PM
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11. read it here today on many threads
he was talking in many interviews about why now, during an election year? His response was, it took the bush* admin a long time to clear his book.

Maybe someone has some direct links to interviews.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:13 PM
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13. here's the link from the WH
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/03/20040323-4.html

~ snip~
Q You and others at the White House made a point of saying yesterday that the timing was suspect because it's an election year. You asked why he had waited this long to make his concerns known. He says that the book could have been published in December, but for the White House security review process.
~snip~

Need to read the transcript, this is the reason little snotty cut the briefing short today.
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:20 AM
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35. They left out Liar, Liar, Liar part in the end
:spank:
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:32 AM
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36. Clarke on CNN
sorry no link but

From CNN interview with Clark

HEMMER: I am hearing from some families of the victims from 9/11, they're saying if it was such an urgent matter, if you truly believed the White House botched the war on terror beginning on September 12, why now on such a critical national, international issue do you write the book in March of 2004?

CLARKE: I wrote the book as soon as I retired from government. It was finished last fall and it sat in the White House for months, because as a former White House official my book has to be reviewed by the White House for security purposes. This book could have come out a long time ago, months and months ago if the White House hadn't sat on it.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 07:56 PM
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7. They certainly have gone ballistically apeshit over Clarke's book.
That shows real fear.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:09 PM
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12. because the truth is...
all they wanted to do was invade Iraq.

and that's criminal, since Iraq had no connection to 9-11 (not that I think the American people, at this point and for the most part are going to care that it was a war crime.)

but it WAS criminal nevertheless, and even if Americans don't care, the rest of the world does, and it shows their total contempt for Americans...

they only wanted their middle eastern colony, and the overthrow of the Iraqi govt to fit the goals of the Likudniks...

Iraq had NOTHING TO DO with the real "war" on terror, or our national security.

THAT'S A CRIMINAL ACT. no matter how much of an s.o.b. Saddam was.

Like my momma always said, two wrongs don't make a right.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:04 PM
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9. they should be, becasue their only defenses are even more criminal
than the crimes we are accusing them of.

Oh, well, they're all sociopaths. I'm sure they feel nothing but outrage that any one is challenging them about anything.
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:22 PM
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15. Let's hope so but remember,
when an animal is wounded and cornered is when it's the most dangerous.

For many in this administration losing the election would be more than inconvenient, they haven't had time to bury the bodies.

Losing in November would mean they were at risk to experience disgrace, ruin and the near endless nightmare of being deposed and indicted.

And none of this bunch will fall on their sword and assume the blame to spare the others.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 08:29 PM
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16. The "average" Americans
It doesn't matter all that much what most Americans think or feel about this situation with 911 or the illegal invasion of Iraq. What matters is that the facts of Bushco's failures and crimes are out in the open. The Oligarchy won't allow Bushco to proceed no matter how ignorant or uninformed the electorate is. If Bushco is deemed bad for business they will be forced out.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:11 PM
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18. Ahhhh...... just let them lay in their own manuerer.
I hope the 9-11 spirits never let up!!!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:18 PM
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19. Ive given up.
I want to believe that something will bring this fascist bunch down, but Im starting to realize that nothing will. They will walk scot free. Ive already had my free speech rights curtailed by having my sons very life dangled in front of me by the military..shut up! or your son gets it.
I dont think this country will survive. I think, personally, its time for me to get out. I think Ive had enough and I dont know how Im going to do it, but its the last straw when the military threatens my kid if I dont stop speaking out against the war.
Im trying to talk my husband into it now. I just cant take it anymore, Im not trying to run away, I just cant take one more thing. Ive fought my ass off and now Im supposed to just stand here and be quiet or my stepson will be hurt . Thats it.
Im not staying. I pray my husband will go with me, if he wont, Ill have to leave him Im not kidding, I cant stay in this country because they have now threatened by childs life. thats it.
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beachbum Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:41 PM
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22. Mari..
You arent going anywhere. You have to stay and fight the good fight. For your stepson, yourself and your husband and everyone else that matters! It WILL work. He will not be voted in a second term come November. It just isnt possible. Democrats are stepping up everywhere. Heck, I even know of some republicans that have stepped up and said they arent voting for bush a second time this year.

We Will Overcome!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:52 PM
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24. yes even if we win the WH in November....til then I have to be quiet
cant make waves! have to shut up! have to behave! cant speak out! Cant say anything against Bush or my kid is in trouble and might lose his life if some asshole in the unit tries to hurt him!
I have to shut up and stay mum! I cant say a word! I cant go on interviews or even if I seek a lawyer it puts the HEAT on him and anyone in the unit could hurt him! Even he asked me not to speak out because hes afraid of what could happen to him!
So now I shut up, now I just dont say anything.
Why would I want to take a flying fucking chance if Bush gets in again to have to live like this?
Im 52 years old do I want to live the rest of my life in a fascist country? I have to ask myself that question every day.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:35 AM
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27. That's the idea, Mari. Keep you afraid, feeling helpless.
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 03:36 AM by DemsUnite
Without love, there is no hope. Without hope there is no love. The intense love you feel for your son, proves you are brimming with hope. Thank you, it nourishes us all. But don't forget to feed yourself.

You have the strength and courage of a lion. A mighty force, protected from harm by the truth. You are far more alive than any dimestore thug like Bush et al.

Believe it, and it will be...

(on edit: typo)
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:34 AM
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34. Mari..
This country will be taken back by people like you. Some thugs have threatened your son's life, but from what I've read, he is more than willing to take that chance. While you cannot make that decision for him, your previous posts imply that he is (metaphorically) by your side. Stay strong... keep fighting... enjoy the victory in November.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:21 PM
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20. I thought that about the treason commited by Rove (revealing of CIA agent)
Alas, nothing has happened. I'm in agreement with Q, these folk are above the law. Just look what Bush41 did for the criminals of Iran/Contra.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:26 PM
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21. I hope so.... sooooooooo much..... but I'm afraid to believe it.
Edited on Tue Mar-23-04 10:27 PM by Lisa0825
I don't want to be too let down if it all magically disappears, so I am trying not to be too optimistic. I am delighted, just hearing/reading about the commission... but I can't let myself think about real justice yet.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:50 PM
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23. They've had the Clarke book since November
Since he worked in the White house, he had to send it to them for approval before he could publish it. He was asked why now? and his response was that the white house has had it since November and just recently gave the OK to publish it, He would have rather put it out months ago.

So, ?

1) The Whole White House follows the Presidents "not a big reader" example?

2) They read it but already "can't recall" what it said?

3) The boss promised to get them out of testifying at the last minute, but something went wrong?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 10:58 PM
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25. The Wilson book ought
to put more fuel on the fires that our Pravda will try to quietly put out. I believe it comes out in a few weeks and names names, am I correct?
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 11:07 PM
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26. Wilson book due out May 20
Yep, Wilson's book, The Politics of Truth, should be a good one.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-02-cia-leak_x.htm


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:17 AM
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28. Will they?
Are typical Americans smart enough to know what is going on? If Hamas pulls off a new terrorism incident here in the US as a result of the assassination of the shiek, will they rally to bush or connect the dots? I just don't know.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:30 AM
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29. I hate to say this, but I think it would be a rally around the *...
Unless crucial mass has been met regarding the truth of the matter. I can't see that more people are aware where I live (Florida and relatives in Texas), but I could be very wrong.

I see more of the truth getting out, but I don't see the anger or the change, if you know what I mean. I am still seeing */Cheney 2004 stickers for goodness sakes!

I'm like most here, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst because I haven't seen them have to put up or pay up for one thing as of yet where they've crossed the line which is at least ten times daily that we know about!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:47 AM
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30. Yeah Mari it sucks!!!
Nothing you can do about it. If I were you and it would be possible I'd move to Canada. You can still vent here. I seriously doubt if those that might cause your step son harrasment or harm read these posts.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:55 AM
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31. huh
:shrug:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:57 AM
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32. see post 24
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:01 AM
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33. thanks
was confused, guess I need to have some more java. :hangover:
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:35 AM
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37. Remember all Wilson's book is also
do out more shit for the fan :)
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