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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:26 PM
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September 11 Should Have Been Stopped
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 03:32 PM by WilliamPitt
“No one anticipated the kinds of strikes that took place in New York and at the Pentagon.”

- ‘The 9/11 Debate,’ Washington Post editorial, 03-24-04

That line from the Washington Post has been repeated ad nauseam by other newspapers, and across radio and television. It has achieved the status of bedrock conventional wisdom, of something axiomatic. These statements are a paraphrase of National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who said on May 17th, 2002, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile - a hijacked airplane as a missile."

This kind of thinking elevates the attacks to something mythical, a magic trick, an act of God that no mere mortal could possibly have interfered with. In fact, it was an operation planned for years by men who left clear tracks. As such, it could have been stopped. It should have been stopped. Saying so, however, interferes with the cultivation of a national attitude of vengeful victimhood, an attitude the Bush administration is actively promoting for its own benefit and political protection. Surely we were victims of terrorism on September 11, but was this unavoidable? Are the Washington Post, Condoleezza Rice and others correct in stating that no one anticipated these kinds of attacks?

The facts say no.

Ramzi Yousef was one of the planners and participants in the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. Yousef’s right-hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, was captured and interrogated in 1995. During that interrogation, Murad described a detailed plot to hijack airplanes and use them as weapons of terrorism. The primary plan was to commandeer eleven commercial planes and blow them up over the Pacific Ocean. The secondary plan was to hijack several planes, which would be flown into CIA headquarters, the World Trade Center, the Sears Tower, the White House and a variety of other targets.

Ramzi Yousef eluded capture until his final apprehension in Pakistan. During his 1997 trial, the plot described by Murad resurfaced. FBI agents testified in the Yousef trial that, "The plan targeted not only the CIA, but other U.S. government buildings in Washington, including the Pentagon."

In 1993, the same year as the first World Trade Center attack, a $150,000 study was undertaken by the Pentagon to investigate the possibility of airplanes being used as bombs. A draft document of this was circulated throughout the Pentagon, the Justice Department, and to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The circulation of the report was timely.

In 1994, a disgruntled Federal Express employee invaded the cockpit of a DC10 with the intention of crashing it into a company building. Again in 1994, a pilot crashed a small airplane into a tree on the White House grounds, narrowly missing the building itself. Also in 1994, an Air France flight was hijacked by members of a terrorist organization called the Armed Islamic Group, who intended to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower.

The 1993 Pentagon report was followed up in September 1999 by a report titled ‘The Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism.’ This report was prepared for the American intelligence community by the Federal Research Division, an adjunct of the Library of Congress. The report stated, "Suicide bombers belonging to Al Qaida's martyrdom battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House."

Abdul Hakim Murad described plans to use hijacked commercial airplanes as weapons in 1995. Ramzi Yousef’s trial further exposed the existence of these plans in 1997. Two reports prepared by the American government, one from 1993 and another from 1999, further detailed again the existence and danger of these plots. The Federal Express employee’s hijacking attempt in 1994, the attempted airplane attack on the White House in 1994, and the hijacking of the Air France flight in 1994 by terrorists intending to fly the plane into the Eiffel Tower, provided a glaring underscore to the data.

No one anticipated the use of airplanes as weapons before September 11? Given the facts, the claim from Condoleezza Rice, carried forward to today by the mainstream media, seem impossible to believe.

We come, next, to priorities.

A mission statement from the internal FBI Strategic Plan, dated 5/8/98, describes the FBI’s Tier One priority as ‘counterterrorism.’ The FBI, under the Clinton administration, was making counterterrorism its highest priority. The official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General Janet Reno to department heads, dated 4/6/00, detailed how counterterrorism was her top priority for the Department of Justice. In the second paragraph, she states, "In the near term as well as the future, cybercrime and counterterrrorism are going to be the most challenging threats in the criminal justice area. Nowhere is the need for an up-to-date human and technical infrastructure more critical."

Contrast this with the official annual budget goals memo from Attorney General Ashcroft, dated 5/10/01, which directly compares to the 4/6/00 Reno memo. Out of seven strategic goals described, not one mentions counterterrorism. An internal draft of the Department of Justice's plans to revamp the official Department of Justice Strategic Plan, dated 8/9/01, describes Ashcroft's new priorities for the Department of Justice. The areas Ashcroft wished to focus on were highlighted in yellow. Specifically highlighted by Ashcroft were domestic violent crime and drug trafficking prevention. Item 1.3, entitled "Combat terrorist activities by developing maximum intelligence and investigative capability," was not highlighted.

There is the internal FBI budget request for 2003 to the Department of Justice, dated late August 2001. This was not the FBI's total budget request, but was instead restricted only to the areas where the FBI specifically requested increases over the previous year's budget. In this request, the FBI specifically asked for, among other things, 54 translators to translate backlog of intelligence gathered, 248 counterterrorism agents and support staff , and 200 professional intelligence researchers. The FBI had repeatedly stated that it had a serious backlog of intelligence data it has gathered, but could not process the data because they did not have the staff to analyze or translate it into usable information. Again, this was August 2001.

The official Department of Justice budget request from Attorney General Ashcroft to OMB Director Mitch Daniels is dated September 10, 2001. This document specifically highlights only the programs slated for above-baseline increases or below-baseline cuts. Ashcroft outlined the programs he was trying to cut. Comparing this document to the FBI's request to the Department of Justice request described above, it is clear that Ashcroft ignored the FBI's anti-terrorism requests. Specifically, Ashcroft was planning to ignore the FBI's specific requests for more translators, counterintelligence agents and researchers. It additionally shows Ashcroft was trying to cut funding for counterterrorism efforts, grants and other homeland defense programs before the 9/11 attacks.

The difference in priorities are clear. The Clinton administration was focusing on terrorism and al Qaeda as its highest priority. This focus was dramatically reversed by senior officials within the Bush administration. The idea that no one could have anticipated the kinds of attacks which came on September 11 comes into sharper focus. It isn’t that “no one” could have anticipated the threat. It is the Bush administration itself that could never have anticipated the threat, because they were paying little attention to the existence of these threats.

Then, of course, there were the warnings.

FBI agents in Phoenix issued warnings in the summer of 2001 about suspicious Arab men receiving aviation training in American flight schools. The warning was never followed up. An agent in the Arizona field office commented in his case notes that Zacarias Moussaoui, arrested in August after suspicious activity at one of these flight schools, seemed like a man capable of flying airplanes into the World Trade Center.

Newspapers in Germany, France, Russia and London reported in the months before September 11th of a blizzard of warnings delivered to the Bush administration from all points on the compass. The German intelligence service, BND, warned American and Israeli agencies that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack important American targets. Egypt warned of a similar plot to use airplanes to attack Bush during the G-8 summit in Genoa in June of 2001. This warning was taken so seriously that anti-aircraft missiles were deployed around Columbus Airport in Italy.

In August of 2001, Russian intelligence services notified the CIA that 25 terrorist pilots had been trained for suicide missions, and Putin himself confirmed that this warning was delivered "in the strongest possible terms" specifically regarding threats to airports and government buildings. In that same month, the Israeli security agency Mossad issued a warning to both the FBI and CIA that up to 200 bin Laden followers were planning a major assault on America, aimed at vulnerable targets. The Los Angeles Times later confirmed via unnamed US officials that the Mossad warnings had been received.

On August 6, 2001, George W. Bush received his Presidential Daily Briefing. According to reports, the briefing described active plots to attack the United States by Osama bin Laden. The word “hijacking” appeared in that briefing. Shortly after this briefing, George W. Bush departed to Texas for a month-long vacation.

Richard Clarke, former Director of Counter-Terrorism for the National Security Council, has worked on the terrorist threat for the Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. administration, amassing a peerless resume in the field. He is now a central figure in the commission investigating the September 11 attacks. Clarke has laid bare an ugly truth: The administration of George W. Bush did not consider terrorism or the threat of al Qaeda to be a priority prior to the attacks.

Clarke, along with former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, who as a member of the National Security Council was privy to military strategy meetings, indicate that the Bush administration was obsessed with an invasion of Iraq from the day it arrived in Washington. This obsession continued even after the attacks, despite the fact that the entire intelligence community flatly declared that Iraq was not involved.

The attacks of September 11 were not mythical, not a magic trick, not an act of God that no mere mortal could possibly have interfered with or anticipated. The warnings, the data, stretch back all the way to 1993. The Bush administration came into power and absorbed a barrage of warnings about Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. Former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger told Condoleezza Rice that al Qaeda terrorism would be the single most important problem the Bush administration would deal with while in office, and handed her a huge file on the matter. Rice has admitted that she did not read that file until after the attacks of September 11 had taken place.

Of course the Bush administration could never have anticipated an attack like the one that took place on September 11. They weren’t paying any attention to the threat. Had they done so, the attack could have been stopped. Final proof of this can be found in the events of December 31, 1999. Al Qaeda planned, and put into motion, simultaneous attacks against the national airports in Washington DC and Los Angeles, the Amman Raddison Hotel in Jordan, several holy sites in Israel, and the USS The Sullivans at dock in Yemen. In scope, scale and import, these attacks would have matched the catastrophe of September 11. Each and every single one of these attacks, which ranged from one side of the planet to the other, were foiled by the efforts of the Clinton administration. They were able to stop these attacks because of one simple reason: They were paying attention to the threat.

September 11 could have been stopped. September 11 should have been stopped. The “No one could have anticipated this” excuse is dangerous nonsense.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:34 PM
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1. Gee, I wonder why the "liberal media" isn't picking this up.
I got so angry reading this, I had throw something. Fortunately, I have a foam ball that serves this purpose without causing damage. Even the men in command at Pearl Harbor weren't THIS negligent. They at least undertook SOME preventive measures. Our leaders slept from January 21 - September 10, 2001 and it showed on September 11.
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woodstockjimi Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:03 PM
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34. INCRIMINATING
i am sorry but this article doesn't upset me with only todays administration, but that of Clinton's. If all of you really read it, you will understand where I am coming from. Look back at the dates and what was known!!! Could 9/11 have been avoided if Clinton's administration would have done something with the info that they received in the 90's?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:36 PM
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2. kick
please read after Clarke is finished...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:38 PM
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3. Excellent..why can't we see summaries like this one on the front
pages of our national newspapers?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:39 PM
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4. strange, we in the DU have always known something was up
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 03:42 PM by Skittles
but it is still so utterly painful to read the facts.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:41 PM
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5. indeed
it's frustrating to see so much time spent on clinton's security apparatus and the hear that bushco spent so much time not acting on evidence before them and nobody answers effectively why no action was taken in the weeks and days prior to 9-11.
gosh -- isn't that like headline news?
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:45 PM
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6. I wish the committee would focus on this point, Will, that 9-11 could
have and should have been stopped. Unfortunately, until today with Clarke, the Commission seems intent on coming up with some bs about Clinton and Bush failing.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:49 PM
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7. As I read this...
Richard Clarke's voice is still ringing in my ears. (Yes, I'm a bad State employee and was listening at work.) I'm furious...again. You seem to have that affect on me honey. That anger is a gift and I can't thank you enough for the constant kick in the pants to keep me moving.

I'm gonna forward this to everyone I know once you get a link up on truthout.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 03:51 PM
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8. What about the body bag argument?
Congress and the bureaucracy don't take drastic measures or make hard decisions if there aren't body bags. (Paraphrasing here.) If this statement is true, then I say our elected representatives all share at least a portion of the blame. How do we prevent this type of thinking in the future?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:05 PM
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9. BOOM. Armitage just got slapped with the Condi statement
Wow. All this is coming out onto the table.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:01 PM
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33. Probably this puts you on the spot, but...
...do you think this really could be what breaks the back of the Bush* Admin? During my time here at DU, I've seen a lot of threads that say, "This time the allegations will stick!" Somehow, Bush always comes out of it, maybe a little puffy-faced, but still a threat. He's still riding at 50% popularity, which makes me sick to my stomach.

A lot of folks here have decided nothing will stick to President Teflon and that we're all just wasting our time.

I'm just an ordinary citizen with very little political experience, watching the news media kowtow to the neocons, watching our civil liberties being slowly stripped away, watching as Bush, Inc. becomes more and more powerful despite facts that created small chinks in his armor.

I'm bloody well scared. Is it all right to hope now?
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:18 PM
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10. 911 could have been totally avoided with steel cockpit doors.

But, American airlines put profits over people.

Simple as that.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:30 PM
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11. Don't forget Project BOJINKA.
That's where Al Quaeda spelled out using hijacked jumbo jets as flying bombs. Here's some background:

From Anonymous:

EXCERPT...

To my Classmates:

Sometime in January 1995, when Philippine Police authorities captured Ramsey Youssef in Manila, I was asked, because of my affiliation with the NBI, to help decode and decipher the hard drives of the computers found in Youssef's possession. This is where we found most of the evidence of the projects that were being funded by Osama Bin Laden in the Philippines.

The first plan was to assassinate Pope John Paul II who was then scheduled to visit the Philippines. The second was Project Bojinka, which called for the hijacking of US bound commercial airliners from the Philippines, Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Honking(sic -ed) and Singapore, and then crash them into key structures in the United States. The World Trade Center, the White House, the Pentagon, the Transamerica Tower, and the Sears Tower were among prominent structures that had been identified in the plans that we had decoded.

A dry-run was even conducted on a Tokyo bound Philippine Airlines flight, which fortunately was aborted by our security personnel.

It was also from these computers that we found the plans for the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993. This evidence was eventually used to convict Ramsey Youssef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan for the WTC bombing.


CONTINUED...

http://www.rense.com/general14/known.htm
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:39 PM
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12. That's this
"The primary plan was to commandeer eleven commercial planes and blow them up over the Pacific Ocean. The secondary plan was to hijack several planes, which would be flown into CIA headquarters, the World Trade Center, the Sears Tower, the White House and a variety of other targets."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 04:43 PM
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13. Ah. Small world.
Should have clicked.

To change the subject: One would think Condescenda would've heard about some of this stuff. What's wrong with her? Doesn't she read DU?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:47 PM
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17. Condoleezza Rice
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:00 PM
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14. Homicidal psychopaths thought of it
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V119/N22/littleton.22w.html

The two students who killed 13 people at Columbine High School wanted to kill at least 500 others, attack nearby homes and then hijack a plane and crash it into New York City, investigators said. Authorities also said today they planned to question an 18-year-old girl about whether she purchased two of the firearms used in the rampage.

Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone earlier told reporters the goal of the killers, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, was to strike during the busy lunch hour to go for “a big kill.”

But in an interview published today in The Denver Post, Stone said the gunmen’s diary indicates that if they survived, they wanted more-- to “hijack an airplane and crash it into a major city.” He said New York City was their target.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:09 PM
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15. Did you have an opportunity to deliver these facts on the radio show
last night? I live on the other side of the earth from most people here so don't get much media input but remember from a thread yesterday that you were to be on a radio show concerning Clarke and his revelations about the Bush* Administration. This is all very damning stuff and needs to be addressed in a national media format.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:27 PM
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16. You MISSED the drill where they SIMULATED attacks on DC headquarters.
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 05:28 PM by blm
Didn't it occur in November 2000?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 05:54 PM
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18. Plenty of rehersals -oops I meant to say exercises.
The infamous table top exercise
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html

http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=270&issueID=31
Wargame exercise involving real people

http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=272&issueID=31
Wargame exercise involving real people

http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020603/avi_stor.htm
September 11 wargame/reality

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/internal-look.html
Saddam Hussein's wargame/reality

And as you can see, it all paid off.

Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2001 — The Department of Defense (DoD) began helping civil authorities almost immediately after the first hijacked airliner hit the north tower of the World Trade Center in New York City Sept. 11.
<snip>
Air National Guard and Reserve planes were in the air "moving stuff within an hour," he said. They were working to deliver blood, tissue, search and rescue teams, and equipment to the rescuers in New York, Vaughn said.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/DoD_helps_authorities_after_attack.html

Hmmmm
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:12 PM
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24. YEP...That's it.
Thanks.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:28 PM
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19. truthout LINK FOR THIS ARTICLE
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:38 PM
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20. Can anyone explain this to me?
Federal Aviation Regulation
Sec. 47.41
Duration and return of Certificate.
a) Each Certificate of Aircraft Registration issued by the FAA under this subpart is effective, unless suspended or revoked, UNTIL THE DATE UPON WHICH--
(1) Subject to the Convention on the International Recognition of Rights in Aircraft when applicable, the aircraft is registered under the laws of a foreign country;
(2) The registration is canceled at the written request of the holder of the certificate;
(3) THE AIRCRAFT IS TOTALLY DESTROYED OR SCRAPPED;
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/CF24A6671F6471F686256959004AE37D?OpenDocument


FLIGHT 77:
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=644AA&cmndfind.x=20&cmndfind.y=14

FLIGHT 11;
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=334AA&cmndfind.x=16&cmndfind.y=12

FLIGHT 93:
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=591UA&cmndfind.x=18&cmndfind.y=13

FLIGHT 175:
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=612UA&cmndfind.x=14&cmndfind.y=16

It looks to me as if the FAA is saying that
ALL four planes SURVIVED September 11, 2001.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:43 PM
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21. Terrific, Will.
May I ask a stupid question (of anyone, not just Will)? i was out most of the day and I would like to know if anyone has asked why there were no planes scrambled on 9/11? Or is this one of the questions on the banned questions list?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:31 PM
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25. The order to ground all military flights on 9/11 is found
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 01:00 AM
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36. Thanks, Dulce.
I just wondered if anyone even asked. That would have been one of my first questions to Rummy or Dick Meyers. If they could send up planes to see what was up with Payne Stewart, I would have thought 4 hijacked planes would have gotten something, you know?
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Manwithchildeyes Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:04 PM
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22. The OKC bombing could use a mention here.
Or was it not able to be stopped? Was it one of "those" actions that could not be stopped? A lot of people died there you know...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:11 PM
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23. You're equating Bush's failure in 9-11 with Clinton on OKC?
What an odd post on a day when the evidence against Bush's administration is quite obvious to any comprehensive observer.
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tallyho Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:14 PM
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31. OKC was bush senior's fault -not Clinton.
Clinton and Reno did all they could to stop OKC and Waco and no right wing crap can discount their heroic efforts.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:33 PM
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26. I certainly agree that it "Could" have been stopped.
Due to all of the info that you've cited and my complete dis-trust and contempt for the chickenhawks.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:37 PM
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27. I always thought the Sears Tower was a target
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 09:38 PM by linazelle
..."The primary plan was to commandeer eleven commercial planes and blow them up over the Pacific Ocean. The secondary plan was to hijack several planes, which would be flown into CIA headquarters, the World Trade Center, the Sears Tower, the White House and a variety of other targets.

On 9/11, I remember looking at it from my office window (I'm four blocks away) and wondering what would happen if it were hit. I couldn't imagine the horror. I still think if they ever try the same type of attack again, it will be hit. Scary.
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Muffhusky28 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:40 PM
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28. No it could not have been stopped!!
I feel that to say it could have been stopped is the flavor of the day and is a view shared by many who just want another reason to dislike Bush. There will always be loopholes in any system and until a "perfect system" is developed there will be not real way to prevent these types of things. When Kerry is elected and if a similar situation arises, where will the blame be...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:10 PM
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30. That means EVERY action in the "War on Terror" is fruitless.
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 10:17 PM by TahitiNut
They entrap themselves in the logical conundrums of their own sound bites. If "there's nothing we could have done" to stop the attacks on 9-11, then there's nothing we've been able to do since then to stop such attacks!

That, then, raises the most important question of all: How can such attacks not happen in the first place?

Any junior G-man fan of crime and punishment fiction can tell you that such acts are a combination of motive, method, and opportunity. If we're not able to "stop" the attacks, that's merely a matter of us being the "land of opportunity."

What about motive? Every action by this administration has done little more than create ever more abundant motive, as every poll and anecdote shows.

Possessed of the attitude that "there's nothing we could have done" this administration has effectively confessed to deliberately undermining the security of this nation.

That's called treason.


Interesting first post, Muffhusky28. Do you really entertain the specious notion that anyone need look very hard at all to find "another reason to dislike Bush"?? We're neck deep in them. Ten million jobs below the curve and a national debt approaching one entire year's GDP? That's just for starters. The "reasons" are like elephants in the attic: impossible for a sentient being to ignore.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:10 PM
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35. But the Bush administration did not FOCUS on terrorism-It was #3
or #4 on their agenda. The outgoing Clinton team WARNED them, but they 'had other priorities'. If they had focused their efforts on rounding up the hijackers, they probably could have lessened the casualties or prevented one of the attacks.
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:53 PM
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29. If Not Stopped, Lives Could Have Been Saved Simply By
- posting the photos of the known Al-Queda operatives known to be
inside the US at airports and given to law enforcement agents

- having the NORAD system on high alert so that any plane veering
course could be intercepted by fighter jets immediately

- warning security at likely targets like the WTC that a possible
highjacking using a plane as a missile was a possibility so that
the buildings could have been evacuated immediately instead of
occupants of the second towers being told to return to their
desks

They could have at least TRIED.

Why isn't anyone talking about Chimpy staying on vacation for a month after the threat?
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32. Thank you for including the G-8 stuff
I always go nearly out of my mind when I see that 'no one could have known that planes could be...' quote or attitude.

Unlike this chimp, I do read papers and I clearly remember this stuff. They spoke both of radio controlled and hijacked planes.

Today was one refreshing day. Even though Wolf the whore Blitzer put a little bit of a damper on it, a few networks got it right. MSNRC with Keith Olbermann highlighting the apology, CBS doing like work, and just witnessing the testimony of a man like Richard Clarke made me believe once again in government, a feeling that has been shaking ever since reading the RFK biography and then witnessing the Reagan and Bush administrations and the absurdity of the hunt of Bill Clinton.

Even that lamer Chris Matthews had to mock Terry Holt on his ridicule of Clarke for his 'background' conference. He made fun of Holt because he said Holt was doing exactly that and then made fun and asked about how the talking points are handed out.

This was a fine blow against an administration that wants to run on our fear and his alleged security blanket for our fear. He's not even strong on that. I thought the Afghanistan trip was a necessity, that war was required. We had to do it. But that's the only thing right they have done, and they even fucked that up.

I sure hope people can see that the administration overplayed their hand by getting so many of their talking heads out this week. Especially Condalleezza Rice. She had time for everyone, except for saying what she wanted to under oath. She's a disgrace to government service and quite clearly has not done anything close to resembling her job.

Neither has Tenet.
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