Do you ever feel that "ABB" is like: "First we kill the Russians, then...

[JanMichael]

...we kill each other:toast:"?

Metaphorically speaking of coarse. Pro-People v. Pro-Dollar; Pro-Chavez v. Pro-Aristocracy; Anti-Ton-Ton Macoute Wannabees v. Anti-Aristede; Pro-Single Payer Healthcare v. Barbarians:-)

EDIT: At this time I wholeheartedly support ABB. Cept' for Satan or, um, like, Hitler, er maybe, Marvin the Martian?:shrug:

note: Referencing a quote attributed to Ahmed Shah Massoud in the 80's "First we kill the Russians. Then we kill each other." it may have happened, it may be folklore, but the sentiment is interesting.

[Cleita]

1. I am for a pro-single payer healthcare system in this country.

I don't know about killing the Russians or anyone else I disagree with. Where did this assassination meme come from anyway? I always thought we wanted to capture the enemy, put him on trial and then kill them? Where is Saddam these days?

[JanMichael]

2. I said "metaphorically speaking"! It's about alliances born of necessity.

That's all, nothing sinister:-)

[G_j]

3. frankly IMO, who ever started using the term ABB

should be spanked. There must be a better way to put it. There is just something about ABB that sounds so powerless and desperate. It doesn't offer any postitive visions or hopes. It's a negative, a bummer. Couldn't people have come up with a more positive way to reflect the point that Bush must go?

[sweetheart]

4. The fact that ABB is a global engineering company don't help.

www.abb.com is asea Brown Boveri, a massive sustainable powersystems
multinational based in switzerland and listed on NYSE.

I have no illusions about kerry not being kucinich. My interest
in american politics is 100% dennis kucinich and his ideals.

Whilst we oppose bush, we get to use the word "WE"!! When in fact,
I am likely in total opposition to a democratic administration, given
the clinton precedent. But for a while, its "we" and ABB... then
they'll fuck the fringe who came out voting on the ABB idea to
depose bush... and then those people will all go away, as true
progressivism is unwelcome in the DLC/Kerry Centre.

A vote for bush is for a global military empire.

A vote for kerry is for an attempt to reform a global economic empire.

The problem is that the world is wise to the scam given this respite
from clinton globalization, and likely will not bite on such a worm
again.

I don't expect anything else from the government. If they can NOT
get us nuked in the next 20 years, it will take a miracle. That
miracle is all i ask... and it seems i'm really pushing my luck to
project such a wish as to not be nuked, threatened or to be
threatening anyone else with such barbaric means.

Any vote in this new poll is a vote "for" western imperialism,
whether we call it ABB or not, is really splitting hairs.

[G_j]

8. I can't find a single

sentiment in your post that I don't agree with. Sad isn't it?
I'm not sensing much joy in my circles.
I think I will at least get to meet DK soon when he visits here. Then I can once again be reminded of the light "we" passed by.

[sweetheart]

10. Being clear eyed

Chalmer's johnson uses a great phrase in his book "the sorrows of
empire". After exposing some of the most ugly, racist, genocidal
behaviour by the US government, in every interaction with every
nation on earth... i can't help but feel emotionally depressed.
This is not my america of "freedom and liberty for all." It is some
wholly more malefic animal, this government/military, and it's only
commonality with me, is that i, as a citizen have helped pay for
this horrible behemoth of repression.

Chalmers uses the term "clear eyed" to describe what we must do with
the knowledge that the nation is being subverted totally.

Clear eyed is not depressed. It is not in love anymore. It is
showing up to the divorce hearings and seeing your ex... and
not caring.

You are lucky to meet dennis kucinich. I've not had the priviledge.

I never thought that the most i could expect from the USA was to
not use nuclear weapons to mass murder millions of people. Wow,
what a high mark. Thanks bush.

[G_j]

11. I'm hearing echoes

of my Buddhist past: politics fail, nuture compassion and relieve that suffering that you can for your fellow beings. The first truth.
Sometimes I don't know what else to think

[russian33]

5. I am feeling not wanted..

... ;)

[RichM]

7. There, there, nice little russian33....

I'm sure it was nothing personal. :-)

[RichM]

6. JanMichael -

I generally appreciate your posts, because they usually aim at substance. However, in this case, you chose to issue the standard "DU Disclaimer" about being "ABB," so as not to get the natives too riled up.

I wish you had not done this. It's a form of appeasement of the stupid Democratic Party loyalists on this board. They don't deserve to be appeased, & I don't think you're really one of them, when it comes right down to it.

Why not just post what you want to post. Then, should some Dem-bot loyalist attack you for insufficient party loyalty, tell him to go fuck himself.

[JanMichael]

9. As far as a third party vote I'm leaning against it.

Walt Brown? Kerry, no shit, Kerry is more "liberal" IMO than Walt. At the very least Kucinich is.

Nader? I'm simply not a fan, period.

Kerry? Other than the fact that he's a kinder gentler Trickle Down, Interventionist, anti-Left Plutocrat I don't mind him. Plus I truly despise Bush...And I'm not quite ready for the inevitable conflict that a second Bush term will surely bring.

So as of now there's little in the way of disingenuous appeasement by me.

I'm assuming that anyone that's been reading my posts knows I'm a full on Socialist, and I've got a problem with the Corporatists a mile wide, but frankly the alternatives leave me empty...For the time being.

It's truly a sad situation.