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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:04 PM
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OK, what about the staff reports? they appear to be BAD NEWS for *.
Isikoff said they back up what Clarke has said, NOT what the apologists are saying

I read an article in todays ChiTrib that says the same thing

here....lots of stuff that hasn't come out during hearings, I think:

And the panel's staff found that Bush's plan largely called for an escalation of former President Bill Clinton's diplomatic efforts. Potential military force to oust Afghanistan's Taliban government, which had been harboring bin Laden, would still have been at least three years off once the Bush plan was launched.
........
But military plans didn't even seem to come close to that level of consideration during Bush's first eight months in office.

Pentagon officials who dealt with terrorism told investigators they believed incoming Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's "new team was focused on other issues and was not especially interested in their counterterrorism agenda," the preliminary report said.

By Sept. 11, 2001, Rumsfeld still hadn't filled an assistant secretary of defense job that traditionally served as the Pentagon's top official on counterterrorism policy, according to the staff report.

Rumsfeld complained Tuesday that it took too long for him to get his own team in place, at least in part because of delays in confirmation by the Senate.
do these weasels EVER assume responsibility for ANYthing

But the staff found Rumsfeld "did not recall any particular counterterrorism issue that engaged his attention before 9/11," except for plans recommended by Clarke to turn unmanned surveillance vehicles into flying weapons systems.

this wasn't broadcast, was it?

and Isikoff is the only one that mentioned even some of this info.

of course, TV media isn't mentioning it, for obvious reasons

other commission staff reporting includes:

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz IGNORED a June White House draft memo, ordering the preparation of new military plans to attack the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

anybody see this anywhere?

plenty more here

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0403240299mar24,1,3834409.story?coll=chi-printnews-hed
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:07 PM
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1. I hope so but
until we see the country get some outrage over this mess in the WH we wont see any changes. The people are sleepwalking . Walking zombies not interested. Maybe after we go third world theyll wake up.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:11 PM
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3. Check out LBN. Two (OTHER) top terrorism experts almost quit
because no emphasis on terrorism. Same staff report, just released. From the Independent, GB.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:16 PM
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4. thanks......haven't been over there all day
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 11:20 PM by buycitgo
sibel edwards, ok
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:20 PM
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7. What's Sibol?
x
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:38 PM
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9. sorry....edited that ........Sibel Edwards
whistleblower

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:08 PM
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2. are these staff reports available?
they must be, I guess. otherwise we wouldn't be reading about them.

did anybody see testimony reflecting the above material?

or see it discussed on TV?

I know that disgusting creature Wolfie only had time to slander Clarke during his nauseating tete a tete with bushsucker John King

that was exchange of McCarthyite innuendo was truly a low point in my memory, surpassing Dan Burton's calling WJC a scumbag.

these creeps only hinted at things "heard" about Clarke, and some other unsubstantiated, unsourced garbage that was truly despicable, having no place on a "news" program.

it was like National Enquirer on the air
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:19 PM
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6. Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?
Or better still, tell Wolfie that his scandal-sniffing innuendo-repeating doesn't fly.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:19 PM
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5. I heard one about Clarke - vindicating him in everything
On September 4, he had a report predicting 9.11. he told those thugs: "There will be thousands of dead Americans....then what will you do?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:28 PM
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8. where'd you see that? love to get that one
he said today that americans don't pay attention til they see body bags.

ironic, that, yes?

ties in with dumbo not allowing COFFINS to be seen coming back for burial
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:44 PM
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10. They showed a little of the reports yesterday and they
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 11:45 PM by k in IA
were extremely interesting but today none of the networks (including C-span)showed any of them. I know they included quite a bit that made Clinton look better than the general spin in the media has been.

This is the info they have figured out from all the interviews and reviews of all the docs, records, etc and we can't hear it.

Extremely annoying.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:55 PM
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11. Do they have a web site?
Worth checking out?something.gov?
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 09:31 AM
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15. the quote I recall reading was 'hundreds' not thousands, otherwise...
other than that quibble I can back you up but sorry not to have a link , also I dont recall the date but it was around that time frame
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 04:45 AM
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12. kick
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 05:06 AM
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13. Here's the official commission website addy
http://www.9-11commission.gov/

Staff statements are there.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 09:02 AM
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14. Thanks. Just checked out schedule - April 13-15 Law enforcement
the next hearings. Will Ascrack show up? Reno will, I am sure.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 09:42 AM
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16. will we see at those hearings...
how vital a threat asscrack thought terrorism was? I believe it was way down below drugs and porn. About number 26 on his list. Also would like to know how much funding for terrorism threats he requested.
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