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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:16 PM
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Rumsfeld speaks up.
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First, I must say, I know of no intelligence during the roughly six plus months leading up to September 11th that indicated terrorists intended to hijack commercial airliners and fly them into the Pentagon or the World Trade Towers. If we had had such information, we could have acted on it -- as we did during the spike in intelligence chatter during the summer of 2001, when we had information that led us to move ships out of harbors in the Gulf region.

Further, I believe that the actions taken since September 11th in the global war on terror, and the international coalition assembled to fight that war, would have been impossible to achieve before the September 11th attacks. Think about it: after September 11th, the President made the decision not simply to launch cruise missile strikes as the U.S. had previously tried.

Rather, he decided to deal decisively with the terrorist network responsible for the attack -- and to hold not only the perpetrators to account, but also the regime that had harbored, aided, and supported them as they trained, planned, and executed their attacks.

The President rallied the world, and formed what is today a 90-nation coalition to wage the global war on terrorist networks. He sent U.S. and Coalition forces air, sea, and ground to attack Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban regime, and destroy that al-Qaeda stronghold.

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Hardly a day goes by when the media doesnt carry a story that reveals classified information. This aids our enemies in significant ways. The harm done to the U.S. by spies and traitors the likes of Ames, Hansen, and Pollard is substantial.

The result has been that important features of our intelligence capabilities have been compromised. As part of our complicated world, adversaries of the U.S. have chosen terrorism as the preferred instrument to force free nations to submit to their agendas by inflicting death on their innocent citizens.

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Ironically, in the course of the conversation, I stressed how important it was for our country to be adequately prepared for the unexpected. Someone handed me a note that a plane had hit one of the World Trade Center Towers. Later, I was in my office with a CIA briefer when I was told a second plane had hit the other tower.

Shortly thereafter, at 9:38 AM, the Pentagon shook with an explosion of a then unknown origin. I went outside to determine what had happened. I was not there long, apparently, because I am told I was back in the Pentagon, with a crisis action team, by shortly before or after 10:00 AM.

Upon my return from the crash site and before going to the Executive Support Center (ESC), I had one or more calls in my office, one of which I believe was with the President. I left the ESC and went to the National Military Command Center where General Dick Myers, then Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had just returned from Capitol Hill.

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And I tried to put myself into the shoes of the pilots we were asking to be prepared to intercept civilian airliners, over American soil, filled with our neighbors, friends, and relatives -- and possibly having to shoot down those planes -- with row after row of their fellow Americans. It was clear they needed rules of engagement telling them what they should and should not do. They needed clarity. And there were no rules of engagement on the books for this first-time situation where civilian aircraft were seized and were being used as missiles.

Indeed, it may well be the first time in history that U.S. armed forces in peacetime, have been ordered to fire on fellow Americans going about their lawful business.

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First, I know of no actionable intelligence since January 20, 2001 that would have allowed the U.S. to attack and capture or kill Usama bin Laden. In the 2 years since September 11th, all the nations of the Coalition have focused a great deal of time, energy and resources on the task of finding him and capturing or killing him. Thus far none of us has succeeded. But we will.

It took ten months to capture Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Coalition forces had passed by the hole he was hiding in many times during those ten months. They were able to find him only after someone with specific knowledge told us where he was.

What that suggests is that it is exceedingly difficult to find a single individual who is determined to not be found. Second, even if bin Laden had been captured or killed in the weeks before 9/11, no one I know believes it would have prevented 9/11. Killing bin Laden would not have removed the al-Qaedas sanctuary in Afghanistan. Moreover, the sleeper cells that flew the aircraft into the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon were already in the U.S. some months before the attacks.

Indeed, if the stars had aligned, actionable intelligence had appeared, which it did not, and if it had somehow been possible to successfully attack him, it would have been a good thing, to be sure, but, regrettably, 9/11 would likely still have happened.

And, ironically, much of the world in all likelihood would have blamed September 11th on the U.S. as an al-Qaeda retaliation for the U.S. provocation of capturing or killing Usama bin Laden. Some have asked whether there were there plans to go after al-Qaeda in Afghanistan before 9/11 and, if so, why werent they implemented?

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/mar2004/a032304f1.html
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:23 PM
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1. Non-denial denial. Or is it the known unknown
or the unknown known, or the little green men that are after him...
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:23 PM
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2. Oh, but the Weekly Standard using classified data to smear Democrats
is perfectly fine, right Mr. Rumsfeld?

Hardly a day goes by when the media doesnt carry a story that reveals classified information. This aids our enemies in significant ways. The harm done to the U.S. by spies and traitors the likes of Ames, Hansen, and Pollard is substantial.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:30 PM
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3. He sure got this right...
"I believe that the actions taken since September 11th in the global war on terror, and the international coalition assembled to fight that war, would have been impossible to achieve before the September 11th attacks."

There wouldn't have been support for invading Iraq without 9/11--and there wasn't enough support even after 9/11 until they heaped on the lies.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:30 PM
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4. The Sydney Morning Herald
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:31 PM
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5. I expected nothing but excuses from the Bush operatives...
...of Rumsfeld and Powell. I think though that they could not trust Condi Rice and are really afraid she would crack in front of the commission. That's why she did not appear. Ben-Vinents I think made this point over and over and Armitage was a total duffuss with absolutely nothing of value to say to the commission. That was a waste of two hours and an insult to the families of 9-11.:argh:
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:00 AM
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9. Come on - Rumsfeld is a hero.
Others were luckier. Some, such as Michael Petrovich, 32, an Army specialist, reacted swiftly. He threw a computer out of the window, then jumped though. He suffered second-degree burns. Paul Gonzalez, 46, a budget analyst, smashed a hole in the wall and crawled out. He was pulled to safety by Donald Rumsfeld who, although ordered by the secret service to leave the Pentagon, had refused.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/watt16.xml

See,
the same paper that keeps telling us about Saddam and Osama being buddies,
the same paper that told us that George Galloway was on Saddam's payroll,
the same paper that linked France and Russia to illegel transactions concerning the Iraqi Oli for Food programme,
yes, THAT same paper,
assures us that Rumsfeld pulled Paul Gonzales out of the rubble (and in front of disaproving Secret Service men) on September 11, 2001.

And there was support. The drab Pentagon hallways soon sprouted hundreds of colorful posters drawn by schoolchildren from across the nation. Families were inundated with letters and e-mails. Though unconscious at the time, Gonzales says he still appreciates that first lady Laura Bush visited his bedside at Walter Reed Army Medical Center on Sept. 12.
http://news.bellinghamherald.com/special-pub/remember/109368.shtml

Mrs. Bush visited each of the three victims at Walter Reed -- men whose lives ``will be changed forever, like all of ours,'' she said.
She heard tales from Paul Gonzales, a 46-year-old retired Navy commander who suffered burns and respiratory distress and had just been upgraded to serious from critical condition.
Gonzales, a budget analyst at the Pentagon, was in his cubicle when the aircraft crashed into the building, and he managed to climb out of the hole the plane made just before the building collapsed around him.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/gigglecam/1854702.html

OK, Rumsfeld is a piece of work, but the media DID try to portray him as a hero before he went and blew it.

First, we currently believe and are certainly hopeful that the number of casualties being reported in the press is high. As you know from your own observation out there, the work is still going forward, and we won't know for some time precise numbers. But from everything that we currently know, the estimate that's been widely reported is considerably high, and we certainly pray that that's the case.
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QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, the casualty number you refer to, I assume, is the 800 number that was provided by the Arlington County Fire Department...
RUMSFELD: It is.
QUESTION: ... and you say it's considerably high. We've heard from the military...
RUMSFELD: I said I hope and pray that it is.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/transcripts/rumsfeldtext_091201.html
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:31 PM
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6. "and fly them into the Pentagon or the World Trade Towers."
I'm always surprised at how EXACTLY the administration officials keep saying this statement. I may be "parsing", but why can't they say "and fly them into buildings". I'm wonderifing they are obfucating via exactness. They may have had intel the hijackers may hijack planes and fly them into buildings, but not exactly which buildings.

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:32 PM
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7. Sounds like he was out of the loop. too
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kissmeimcajun Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:50 PM
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8. I think Rummy
I think Rummy is just the "water boy" for the administration. He stays on the sidelines, unless called upon, and has no idea what a "game plan" means.
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