There are TAPES???

[benburch]

Found at; http://mikemalloy.pmachinehosting.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=9229

Check out this transcript;

http://counterspin.blogspot.com/2004_03_21_counterspin_archive.html#108015552084116835

If I am reading this right, Tenet testified that there were TAPES of the Bush administration meeting on terrorism prior to 9/11!

We need those tapes.

What did the President know, and when did he know it?

-Ben Burch
White Rose Society Webmaster
http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org/

[Sulldogg]

1. I say give them to the commission

I think they would have to be heavily redacted if let out into the public, so I don't see them going public.

[HydroAddict]

2. Holy Buhgeezees!!! I hope the is credible!

"TENET: Well, the CIA is in the CSG meeting as well. I mean, everybody's at the table. The FBI is there, the NCS is there, CIA is there, domestic agencies are there.

Throughout this time period -- I don't have access to the minutes and recordings of what happened -- what actions were they tasking, how were they thinking about this? "


Tenet taped the meetings!

We want the tapes! We want the tapes!

[Sulldogg]

3. The more I read this

It looks liek Clarke has those tapes, or his office did....

[benburch]

12. If he does...

... we will need to build a statue of him somewhere.

[Sulldogg]

18. But what

if he won't release them...

[benburch]

19. We ask very nicely...

He might not legally be able to release them, though. He might insist that somebody subpoena the tapes to expunge any liability he might have...

[fearnobush]

4. Kean whitewash? When tapes mentioned, he kills the exchange.

TENET: Well, the CIA is in the CSG meeting as well. I mean, everybody's at the table. The FBI is there, the NCS is there, CIA is there, domestic agencies are there.

Throughout this time period -- I don't have access to the minutes and recordings of what happened -- what actions were they tasking, how were they thinking about this?

ROEMER: They're going through a bottom-up review...

KEAN: Congressman, we've got to move on. We have run out of time. We've got one more commissioner.

ROEMER: OK. "
THERE ARE RECORDINGS AND MINUTES OF THOSE MEETINGS AVAILABLE!!!!!!!

This is like the moment during the Watergate hearings when Alexander Butterfield admitted that Nixon taped all of his White House meetings!

This is HUGE NEWS!

WE SHOULD BE DEMANDING THE RELEASE OF THOSE RECORDINGS AND MINUTES!!

UPDATE: Not, also, how right when Tenet let the cat out of the bag, Chairman Kean cut off the line of questioning?

[Journeyman]

5. Are these tape recordings. . .

or simply stenographer recordings?

I admit upfront, I haven't read the linked transcript and am basing my question entirely on the snips provided in this thread, but it's a question worth asking. Ulltimately, with a competent stenographer you'd get the same words as tape recordings, but without nuances and inflections of the spoken word, it would lack some of the impact.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. I was thinking...

the same thing.

"Recordings" does not necessarily mean tape recordings. The minutes are taken from notes, or "recordings," that either the participants or a secretary took. Most likely a secretary, or very junior official, was taking notes, and there may or may not have been a stenographer present.

I don't know for sure, but I would tend to doubt there was one. Not the kind of meeting where they would want to keep everything on record.

There would be a lot of notetaking, though, and the minutes would be highly edited from these notes.

In any case, they might release the minutes to the committee, but rest assured that executive privilege will be claimed if anyone tries to get the notes.

[mouse7]

7. Tapes? There are White House tapes?

I remember the day someone let the existance of the Nixon tapes slip out in what was supposed to be an "ordinary" day of testimony at the Watergate investigation, and the heads of every committee member shot up to immediate attention as if simutaneously injected with expresso.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaw... The Republicans couldn't have been that stupid again, could they?

[benburch]

9. This is a petty stupid bunch of Republicans! nt

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[elperromagico]

11. Hell, these are the same damn people!

Cheney and Rumsfeld are both old-timers who got their start at the White House in the Nixon administration. The rest all seem to be holdovers from the Ford or Reagan years.

[benburch]

15. A Republican...

... is a seemingly normal person who cannot learn from experience.

[Moderator]

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[mouse7]

8. Butterfield and the Watergate Tapes

The tapes that ensnared -- and felled -- a president
By MIKE FEINSILBER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON -- It was a Friday afternoon in July, and the witness was just a small fry: Alexander Butterfield, who kept President Nixon's schedule and handled his paper flow. Three staff members of the Senate Watergate Committee were questioning him, preparing for his public testimony the following Monday.

Trolling, one asked whether there might be something down at the White House, some sort of recording system?

Butterfield took a breath.

"I was hoping you fellows wouldn't ask me that," he said.

And with that, history turned a corner. What Butterfield revealed that afternoon in 1973 -- and on television to the senators and the world three days later -- was electrifying news: For 2 ½ years, Nixon had been secretly taping his conversations.

Incontestable evidence
Five microphones in his desk and two in wall lamps by the fireplace, still more in the Cabinet Room, at his hideaway in the Old Executive Office Building, and at the presidential retreat at Camp David, Md., picked up everything said in Nixon's presence.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/special/watergate/tapes.html

[NuttyFluffers]

10. ohhh, that'd be nice...

perhaps we can petition several groups to help subpoena those things. perhaps if we add enough pressure to like: reuters, bbc, or dw news we might get someone to act on this and force a release. i have no faith in american media, but i do believe some more honorable news agencies could add some interest inquiries making US media lookbad and forcing them to act.

[Bandit]

13. They aren't quite complete yet but soon.

They are working on them as we type. Pretty soon they will be released and the Administration will go see we were telling the truth all the time. It is quite easy to write a date on the outside of the casette and almost impossible to actually date the material on the tape.

[Spazito]

14. Wow, I missed that!

Thanks for pointing this out!

[underpants]

16. I noticed that Fox "found" tapes of Clarke's background press brief

That was on by the time I got home yesterday.