Scalia recuses himself......

[coltman]

just heard scalia recused himself from the "under god" debate in the Supreme Court,but won't recuse from cheney energy debacle.Does anybody have any input we're open to discussion.:wtf:

[Robbien]

1. Of course he would recuse himself

The pledge is just a social issue with no big money players involved in the game. If there were, you know which side Scalia would be on.

[ret5hd]

2. if what you are saying is true (no link?)...

it is obviously a ploy to show: "See, I am an honest person and will recuse myself if it is warranted."

Too bad it is such an obvious attempt tho. what a ho.

[coltman]

9. sorry...

heard it on the radio this morning when the alarm went off no further info.

[Eric J in MN]

3. maybe he figure the outcome of the Pledge case is certain, anyway, while

maybe he figure the outcome of the Pledge case is certain, anyway, while the Cheney case needs his vote.

[peekaloo]

4. How long before Thomas follows his lead?

:dunce:

[Skip Intro]

5. Did they say on what grounds?

Maybe this is to confuse the average voter about the cheney case?

You know, the ones who think we actually found wmds in Iraq because they "saw it on faux."

just a guess

[BOHICA06]

11. He had already spoken about ...

the case publicly and said that the Appeals Court ruling was wrong. He recused himself because he he had prejudged the case.

[Frodo]

12. He's already spoken about the case.

He isn't supposed to "pre-judge" a case he is going to hear but he spoke on the issue (clearly) just a few months ago.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

6. And besides, without him there may not be a majority...

...to keep the "under God" in there, and if it's taken out then the Reich-Wing would have an excellent theme to run on to avoid Iraq/the economy/and now, the war on terra since the Clarke book.

"If you vote for Bush, we'll make sure the Supreme Court is filled with neo-Nazi Freislers and our children will continue to worship the Flag first, God second."

[Frodo]

7. Somewhat "old news" potentially "BAD news".

It's unlikely that he would have been the deciding vote on the issue. I expect the ruling will be overturned 6-2 and he would just make it 7-2.

If (as some have expected) his recusal causes a 4-4 split in the vote then the original ruling would stand (until a future court takes it up) and Bush would have a ready-made flag-waving in-God-we-trust wrapped-up-in-a-pretty-bow issue to run with in November. He wouldn't lose a single vote for coming down on "god's side" and either way Kerry falls he'll bust up some of his base.

This could be VERY VERY bad. Some have even speculated it was WHY Scalia chose to recuse himself - to set up this very possibility. if he was so "ethical" on the recusal issue there are a couple other cases he would have dropped faster.

Bush would LOVE one more excuse to hammer "activist judges"

But as I said, I doubt it will come down to that.

[Skip Intro]

14. Don't think it would be that easy

Kerry and other Dems wouldn't let bush just walk away with the flag. That charade is over. Besides, the footage of Kerry in Nam with a flag superimposed would deliver a message bush never could. Kerry didn't just pay lip service to the flag, he put his live on the line for it.

And the base is unified except for the naderites (who'll come around before its too late, imho). ABB will only gain momentum.

That might be the plan, for this case to be the "God and country" issue for the traitorous regime, but it will fall flat if we challenge it.

This assumes Kerry would come down on the side of keeping God in the pledge. If he came down on the side of removing it, we're done.

[Frodo]

15. I think you are missing the point.

Service in Nam is not the issue here. If a Supreme Court ruling comes down taking "God" out of the pledge there will be a nationwide reaction. Both candidates will be forced to take positions (and "I voted for it before I voted against it" isn't going to play very well). Are you in favor of an ammendment to allow "God" in public life? Or shall we take out "In God we trust" from our currency?

If Kerry says he supports the decision he'll lose 49 states. Kerry HAS to come out in favor of "God" and STRONGLY. This WILL cause a problem with the base. Plenty of people here on DU would cease supporting (ABB or no ABB) someone who did that and Nader & the Green nominee won't be making the same call.

This would be BIG. FAR bigger than Kerry's current problem with "gay marriage".

[Skip Intro]

16. Wouldn't be the first time

lol

and I agree that it is a remote possibility that the court will split (although they are the same gang that put bush in office in the first place).

and I agree that a "for it before I was against it" um, slip or whatever that was, would be deadly. He would have no choice but to strongly support keeping the pledge as is.

if the court does split, and Kerry comes down forcefully on the side of keeping the pledge, I just don't agree that the base would fracture. I might be wrong, wouldn't be the first time for that either, but I just don't see our guys flocking to nader or staying home over it. There are bigger threats to our nation right now (the bush gang, not aq) and I think more and more people are realizing that.

[Frodo]

18. I hope you are right. But take a look at the "under god" thread.

I doubt the bulk of the posters on that thread would think favorably of Kerry if he came down on the "right" side.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1284685&mesg_id=1284685


Or in this ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=illegal code&poll_id=8934&choice=4&forum=104&topic_id=1279711 ) poll

[0007]

8. That move is just to show us morons that he, Mr. Scalia,

is "Fair & Balance" like FAUX News.

Why a guy!!

[AlCzervik]

10. quack quack

scalia recused himself from the pledge case a few months ago after making some disparaging comments about it merits in public. As for the Cheney case, no he wont step aside and there is a damn thing we can do about it. I'm so fing sick of republicans i could scream.

[gottaB]

13. we could demand impeachment

my first impeach Scalia thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1251166

Scalia Cartoons

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1277313

Unhappy Truth

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1277568

That's a very funny/tragic thread...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. Scalia made public speech at some convention supporting "under god"

in the pledge a year or two ago...i don't think he has made any public statements regarding the cheneys energy task force :shrug:
but in my opion just the fact the he ruled in favor of bush in bush v gore should be enough for reason to recuse!

again, BUT, hey what the fuck do i know :shrug: