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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:19 AM
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did Tenet LIE to the 911 Commission?."CIA never trained Osama bin Laden"
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 12:08 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
when we aided Afghanistan in fighting Russia"...but...but...according the Milt Bearden the CIA agent who said "CIA for 5 years trained Osama in the 70s in our CIA :shrug: ...read "Black Tulip" by Milt Bearden


has anyone got other sources on this issue?
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:22 AM
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1. Isn't there a book called "Charlie Wilson's War" where this is spelled
out?
It came out about the same time as Al Franken's book.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:48 AM
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7. Yes, but I don't think it references OBL specifically
and I don't think it says that we trained OBL
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:26 AM
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2. To understand bin Laden's relationship to the CIA,
it's important to appreciate the relationship of Pakistan's ISI to the CIA.

For instance, from MSNBC (could only load the story in google cache):

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.
http://tinyurl.com/38xh2

For years, the ISI has been the CIA's proxy in Central Asia. Good to know that, when we remember that ISI director Mahmood Ahmed was in Washington on September 11, and was found to have wired hundreds of thousands to Mohammed Atta in several payments leading up to the attack. Ahmed was allowed to quietly retire, without being questioned by US authorities.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:32 AM
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3. MB thanks ...i also found this interesting article at greenleft.org
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/465/465p15.htm

<snip>

Bin Laden

Osama bin Laden, one of 20 sons of a billionaire construction magnate, arrived in Afghanistan to join the jihad in 1980. An austere religious fanatic and business tycoon, bin Laden specialised in recruiting, financing and training the estimated 35,000 non-Afghan mercenaries who joined the mujaheddin.

The bin Laden family is a prominent pillar of the Saudi Arabian ruling class, with close personal, financial and political ties to that country's pro-US royal family.

Bin Laden senior was appointed Saudi Arabia's minister of public works as a favour by King Faisal. The new minister awarded his own construction companies lucrative contracts to rebuild Islam's holiest mosques in Mecca and Medina. In the process, the bin Laden family company in 1966 became the world's largest private construction company.

Osama bin Laden's father died in 1968. Until 1994, he had access to the dividends from this ill-gotten business empire.

(Bin Laden junior's oft-quoted personal fortune of US$200-300 million has been arrived at by the US State Department by dividing today's value of the bin Laden family net worth — estimated to be US$5 billion — by the number of bin Laden senior's sons. A fact rarely mentioned is that in 1994 the bin Laden family disowned Osama and took control of his share.)

Osama's military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities.

Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, admitted to the January 24, 2000, New Yorker that while he never personally met bin Laden, “Did I know that he was out there? Yes, I did ... bin Laden were bringing $20-$25 million a month from other Saudis and Gulf Arabs to underwrite the war. And that is a lot of money. It's an extra $200-$300 million a year. And this is what bin Laden did.”

In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built “training camps”, some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.

These camps, now dubbed “terrorist universities” by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.

Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the August 13, 2000, British Observer, “The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.”

Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden's organisation, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a mercenary force and related logistical services with “legitimate” business operations.

Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was asked to do in Afghanistan during the 1980s — fund, feed and train mercenaries. All that has changed is his primary customer. Then it was the ISI and, behind the scenes, the CIA. Today, his services are utilised primarily by the reactionary Taliban regime.

Bin Laden only became a “terrorist” in US eyes when he fell out with the Saudi royal family over its decision to allow more than 540,000 US troops to be stationed on Saudi soil following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

When thousands of US troops remained in Saudi Arabia after the end of the Gulf War, bin Laden's anger turned to outright opposition. He declared that Saudi Arabia and other regimes — such as Egypt — in the Middle East were puppets of the US, just as the PDPA government of Afghanistan had been a puppet of the Soviet Union.

He called for the overthrow of these client regimes and declared it the duty of all Muslims to drive the US out of the Gulf states. In 1994, he was stripped of his Saudi citizenship and forced to leave the country. His assets there were frozen.

After a period in Sudan, he returned to Afghanistan in May 1996. He refurbished the camps he had helped build during the Afghan war and offered the facilities and services — and thousands of his mercenaries — to the Taliban, which took power that September.

Today, bin Laden's private army of non-Afghan religious fanatics is a key prop of the Taliban regime.

Prior to the devastating September 11 attack on the twin towers of World Trade Center, US ruling-class figures remained unrepentant about the consequences of their dirty deals with the likes of bin Laden, Hekmatyar and the Taliban. Since the awful attack, they have been downright hypocritical.

In an August 28, 1998, report posted on MSNBC, Michael Moran quotes Senator Orrin Hatch, who was a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee which approved US dealings with the mujaheddin, as saying he would make “the same call again”, even knowing what bin Laden would become.

“It was worth it. Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union.”

Hatch today is one of the most gung-ho voices demanding military retaliation.

Another face that has appeared repeatedly on television screens since the attack has been Vincent Cannistrano, described as a former CIA chief of “counter-terrorism operations”.

Cannistrano is certainly an expert on terrorists like bin Laden, because he directed their “work”. He was in charge of the CIA-backed Nicaraguan contras during the early 1980s. In 1984, he became the supervisor of covert aid to the Afghan mujaheddin for the US National Security Council.

The last word goes to Zbigniew Brzezinski: “What was more important in the world view of history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet Empire? A few stirred up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?”

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:39 AM
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4. Many good articles here:
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 11:40 AM by Minstrel Boy
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/11SEPT309A.html

Michel Chossudovsky has done lots of good work exploring the CIA-bin Laden connection, and the mediating role of the ISI.
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cetasika Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:42 AM
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5. technically they never trained a person named bin laden
because he used the name tim osman.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:47 AM
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6. "When Osama Bin Laden was Tim Osman"
Meeting Riconosciuto and Gunderson at the hotel were two representatives of the mujahadeen, waiting to discuss their armament needs. One of the two was named "Ralph Olberg." The other one was called Tim Osman (or Ossman).

...

The other man, dressed in Docker's clothing, was not a native Afghan any more than Olberg was. He was a 28-year-old Saudi. Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments.

...

The bad news was that some factions of the CIA didn't feel that Oldberg and Osman's group were the real representatives of the Afghans. Upon hearing this both Tim and Ralph were indignant. They wanted to mount a full-court press. Round up other members of their group and do a congressional and White House lobbying effort in Washington, D.C.

Did the lobbying effort take place? I don't know. There is some evidence that Tim Osman and Ralph Oldberg visited the White House. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment. Why hasn't this been reported in the major media?

http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:49 AM
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8. "receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment"
That reminds me of someone I read recently. Bush* just rewarded Musharref for his "cooperation" in the War on Terror by designating Pakistan as a "major non-NATO ally". This designation allows the Pentagon to share new terror-fighting technology with Pakistan


HMmm
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 11:55 AM
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9. MB wow this was what i had heard and read saometime back ...thanks again
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:02 PM
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10. You're welcome. Here's a follow up with a little more info:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Conspiracy/A_Terrorist__the_CIA___Blue_De/a_terrorist__the_cia___blue_de.html

It's interesting how this "Tim Osman" story touches upon the Inslaw scandal, since it has been reported in the mainstream press that bin Laden is known to have a version of Inslaw's stolen PROMIS software.

"Bin Laden's reported possession of Promis software was clearly reported in a June 15, 2001 story by Washington Times reporter Jerry Seper. That story went unnoticed by the major media. In it Seper wrote, 'The software delivered to the Russian handlers and later sent to bin Laden, according to sources, is believed to be an upgraded version of a program known as Promis - developed in the 1980s by a Washington firm, Inslaw, Inc., to give attorneys the ability to keep tabs on their caseloads. It would give bin Laden the ability to monitor U.S. efforts to track him down, federal law-enforcement officials say. It also gives him access to databases on specific targets of his choosing and the ability to monitor electronic-banking transactions, easing money-laundering operations for himself or others, according to sources.'"
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/magic_carpet.html
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:11 PM
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11. MB didn't the Israel have something to do with "Promis software to Russia?
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 12:13 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
???
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:22 PM
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12. I don't think I've seen that, but
the Promis story is so murky, almost anything is possible.
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