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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 05:58 PM
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Can someone explain Occam's Razor for me?
TIA!
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oostevo Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 05:59 PM
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1. In its very oversimplified version ...
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 06:00 PM by oostevo
A monk decided long ago that the simplest answer (the simplest way to explain data) is the most likely to be true.

For a more in-depth look,
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html

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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 05:59 PM
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2. All other things being equal ...

... the simplest explanation is usually the best.


MDN

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 05:59 PM
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3. basically it means
the simplest answer is usually the correct answer.

Handy if you don't have time for nuance.
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drhilarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:00 PM
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4. i think
when several possibilities offer a solution to a problem or situation, the simplest is most often the correct one.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:00 PM
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5. It goes like this:

If you have two theories (or any number) that might explain a set of observations, then the simplest theory is generally the best one to choose.

Paraphrasing Einstein: A theory should be as simple as possible, but no simpler.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:01 PM
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10. Welcome to DU, e j e and drhilarious
:hi:
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:00 PM
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6. It's the antithesis to LIHOP and MIHOP
That's all you need to know.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:02 PM
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12. Would that be Bush's Razor?
Meaning the most complicated and convoluted answer is probably the correct one?

:evilgrin:



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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:19 PM
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19. You got it
:toast:
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:21 PM
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20. not only that ...
The creepiest, scariest answer!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:26 PM
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22. which is obviously not sharp
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:00 PM
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7. the simplist solution to a problem has the greatest likelihood...
...of being correct.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:05 PM
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17. Of course we would have no theory of relativity were that so
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:11 PM
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18. not really...
Because although Newtonian mechanics is simpler than relativistic mechanics, it fails to explain all the observed phenomena, thus it can't possibly be right. Of course this goes for pretty much every theory in physics, including relativity, they all fall apart somewhere, but that doesn't mean that they aren't useful where they do apply...
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:00 PM
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8. The simplest answer is likely the right one...
essentially
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:01 PM
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9. When you hear hoofbeats
Think horses, not zebras! According to my Biology professors.
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:03 PM
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13. Unless you're in Africa
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:04 PM
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14. Good one!
:hi:
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:01 PM
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11. In a nutshell
It is the principle that the answer to any question that requires one makes the fewest assumption in order to be true is the answer most likely to be true.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:04 PM
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15. Choose the simplest explanation
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 06:06 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
The one requiring the least leaps of logic.
If you hear the sound of hooves outside your window it is more likely horses than Zebras...the problem is that you might be in Africa where that is not necessarily true, so it results often in over simplifying.

Same when people use Occam's to deny God's existance since to do so one has to make assumptions as well.

Usually on DU, it's used as an assault weapon rather than a theory.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:43 PM
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25. not really.
Occam's razor does not often result in over-simplifying. If you are in Africa then thinking that the hoofbeats are Zebras is not a more complicated explanation than thinking its horses. The over-simplification in your example is forgetting that you're in Africa.

A more complicated explanation would be that Bush secretly put horse-shoes on a bunch of elephants and trained them to pretend to be horses masquerading as Zebras. If the alternate theory is that (given that we're in Africa) its actually a herd of Zebras, then Occam's Razor would indicate that the herd of Zebras explanation is more likely to be correct than the other.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:05 PM
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16. Occam was the first man to invent the safety razor
Edited on Thu Mar-25-04 06:05 PM by Cronus
Prior to that, everyone was using open razors that were very dangerous and could be used to slit someone's throat. So Occam, a Persian king, had a razor made that could only cut to the skin surface and could not be used to slit his throat, thus ensuring that his barber couldn't use the implement to kill him.

He should have patented it - he would have made millions.

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:22 PM
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21. Wikipedia is a great resource for this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_Razor

The principle is most often expressed as Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, or "Entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", but this sentence was written by later authors and is not found in Occam's surviving writings. William wrote, in Latin, Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate, which translates literally into English as "Plurality should not be posited without necessity".

Dave Beckett of the University of Kent at Canterbury writes: "The medieval rule of parsimony, or principle of economy, frequently used by Ockham came to be known as Ockham's razor." <1>

Occam's Razor has also been referred to as "parsimony of postulates" and the "principle of simplicity" and "K.I.S.S." (keep it simple, stupid). Another proverb expressing the idea that is often heard in medical schools is, "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." Like many maxims, it has deficiencies; African doctors are not well advised to follow it.


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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:29 PM
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23. A very simple and good method.. for simple minded people.
things are RARELY SIMPLE. it just too convient for the robber barrons and fascists to rationalize with.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:33 PM
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24. no, not really
It's one of the guiding forces in the scientific method, which is neither simple nor simplistic.

It doesn't say the simplest explanation of anything is correct. It says the theory that requires the fewest extraneous postulates and STILL DESCRIBES the phenomenon is the best.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:53 PM
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28. sounds like typical NEOCON crap...
i know how it is supposed to be used... but not how the right wing does use it.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 07:49 PM
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29. LOL!!
An explanation of Occam's Razor is "neocon crap"? ROFL
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:45 PM
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26. Then there's Holmes' Razor....
let's see if I can do this:

"When the impossible has been eliminated, what is left, however improbable, must be true."
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 06:46 PM
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27. the simplest explanation of Occam's Razor isn't necessarily correct
Plurality is not to be assumed without necessity.

...is all he wrote. Here's a better historical explanation than the Wikipedia:
http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/occam.html

"Nature operates in the shortest way possible."
- Aristotle
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