Everytime I See and Hear Bill Clinton...

[rpannier]

I'm not sure if I wanna cry. I hear him speak, I hear the jokes he tells...he is so at ease. It makes me remember when so many people had work and the economy worked. The country was so great with Bill. I saw a political button the other day that I bought. It read...

CLINTON
SAVE US!

And that's how I feel right now.

[bluestateguy]

1. Yes, but

he got a blow job IN THE OVAL OFFICE!! What will we tell the children when we talk about Bill Clinton?

[jo35042]

5. that was apparently

consentual, whereas the thing being done to all of us by Bush is pure and simple rape.

[WitchWay]

6. It's not okay

Bill Clinton's conduct was really disgusting. This was not okay. His behavior had a great more deal to do with Gore's loss than Nader (who everyone points fingers at).
Clinton let sexual harrasing behavior become normalized and that's NOT okay or forgiveable.
It's not okay that people find Clinton's behavior acceptable. It was not acceptable behavior, and it was not his own personal business. He was elected and people were counting on him -- and he screwed things up. He's an adult, and he could have damn well kept his pants on if he decided to act like a responsible adult.

[jo35042]

11. i didn't say it was OK...

I said what is happening to us right now is NOT.  Our freedom
is being systematically eroded and we have a president who
appears to be more than one brick shy of a load, mentally and
morally. 

[NewHampster]

31. Welcome to DU jo35042

:toast:

[WitchWay]

35. ?

I was responding to BluestateGuy -- so I didn't mean my post to be read in relation to yours. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

[Catch22Dem]

12. You're wrong in so many ways

That it's not worth debating.

[prolesunited]

13. Who did he sexually harass?

Why was his consensual relationships (until the RW got to them or they decided to make money off of it) any business of the publics? That was between he and is wife. Do you know how many of these politicians who were so busy outing him were engaged in the same thing?

Gore probably LOST votes by choosing to distance himself from him.

[WitchWay]

38. Promotion

When Lewinsky is seemingly promoted due to her relationship with Clinton, that IS sexual harassment.

It is not okay for an employer to favor a person who has sexual relations with him/her over others. This sends a message through the workplace that sexual favors are expected for promotion/favoritism.

Anyone in that office is than a victim of this favoritism.

In addition, when this whole thing played out -- there was so much normalizing of sexual harassment in the workplace just in light of what Clinton did (and I mean nasty jokes, comments, remarks, etc.)

I think that Clinton should never have let himself get in a position to be "ousted" if he really cared about people more than himself. It shows that he was selfish.

[thebigidea]

71. sexual favoritism explains Warren Christopher, doesn't it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. Sorry to burst your bubble, but his personal behavior was...

...no different from the personal behavior of FDR, Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Bush I. If I were a betting man, I would also bet that Junior is a chip off the old block.

And please share what you're referring to as "sexual harrasing behavior" in regards to Clinton. Lewinsky appears to have been the one to initiate the relationship with Clinton, and she was an adult at the time of the affair.

As far as any of the other women who came forward to tell their "stories", they were all neatly debunked in the book "The Hunting of the President". You have heard of the Arkansas Project, haven't you?

[WitchWay]

33. It's not his PERSONAL behavior

Lewinsky seems to have received favorable treatment because of her relationship with Clinton.
Anyone who DID receive the favoritism that Lewinsky had due to her relationship was a victim of sexual harrassment, for being passed over by not being sexual.
Also, Lewinsky was an intern, so I still think it was very inappropriate.
Clinton should have known that this sort of behavior could become public at any time especially considering that he was the president -- therefore, he shouldn't have engaged in it. He shouldn't have done anything to endanger himself as president, because it would mean letting people down who voted for him, and risking his efficacy in office. But he did.
Clinton was a grown up and should have had adult grown up priorities.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Lewinsky was over 21 and classified as an adult in all fifty states...

...as well as Washington, DC, when she had the affair with Clinton.

And no, it was never proven to anyone's satisfaction except that of Ken Starr that she received ANY favoritism based on her relationship.

And no, two consenting adults engaged in a personal affair does not constitute harrassment of any kind.

Additionally, the fact that Lewinsky was an itern has NOTHING to do with the fact that she was an adult and consented to the relationship.

And yes, he made a mistake for which he paid a price. But, it's over, and it's been over for quite some time just in case you haven't noticed. Why are you continuing to obssess on an event from the past that has little or no impact on the world as it exists today?

[Demonaut]

42. so by your reasoning kids are the only ones to engage in this conduct

sorry, but, we all agree it was wrong but being hysterical about sex and consenting adults just shows you have issues

[leftynyc]

89. What favorable treatment?

As I recall, she was moved from the West Wing to the OEOB which made her very unhappy.

[BiggJawn]

73. Junior can't get it up.

Too much booze and Coke, so the ReTHUGs are smug and secure in the knowledge that THEIR boy will neve be caught "with his pants down".

I don't buy the bullshit argument that "Clinton was President, so he must hold to a higher standard of conduct" Sheesh, he was preisdent, not a freaking PRIEST!

His inability to keep his trouser snake holstered is a matter between him and the junior senator from New York, not a matter for public scrutiny, and most definmitely NOT something that I'm glad we spent over 50 megabucks of tax money looking into.

I FIRMLY believe that the mess we are in now with an administration that wants to bomb and invade 3/4 of the countries in the ME is a direct result of having impotent old men in charge who work out their sexual frustrations by shaking bombs and missles in everyone's faces. They can't create life and pleasure, so they dispense death and suffering instead. Rumsferatu wants to bomb Iraq instead of Afghanistan because he can get off better watching video of buildings blow up instead of mud huts...

[Carolina]

76. Tell 'em, BJ

ever notice too how phallic bombs are?! You are so right about these impotent, cold-hearted bastards in charge right now. The only thing that gives them a hard-on is fucking over some impotent country with their big dick bombs.

Bill Clinton's trysts were no one's business and were over by the time the wingnuts in their relentless efforts to destroy him uncovered the whole Monica story. Clinton has intelligence, talent, warmth and charisma they can only dream of and that's why they left no stone unturned to do him in. And in the end what did they find, what did THEY expose to the world: a sexual act between two consenting adults. One that many of them were equally guilty of, the fucking hypocrites.

Meanwhile THEY also let the ball drop on terrorism because Clinton's cock was more important than the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa. Oh and besides in those bombings mostly Africans died so the repuke Congress didn't give a shit ... but I digress

[tedoll78]

16. Cute.

"He screwed things up."

Last time I checked, it was a relatively peaceful and prosperous time under his watch. Not perfect (no President is), but very good compared to others. I might not have morally approved of his private conduct, but I didn't hire him to be a Boy Scout. I didn't hire him to set an example for my nieces and nephews - that's the job of the parents who created them. I hired him to enact the policies that I preferred.

Do you advocate that we nanny the private conduct of all elected officials? Just Presidents? Senators? Representatives? Sheriffs? Where is the line drawn? Drinking? Smoking? Naughty words? Do we need some sort of Presidential Temperance law so that our Commander-in-Chief is pure? And if so, what version of "pure" shall we use? And what style of investigating shall we implement to ensure that our President is of moral character when performing the duties? A constant wire on him? Follow him everywhere he goes with a camera? Your suggestions, please.

And by the way, most people aren't so mentally deficient enough to project Clinton's private actions onto Gore. Gore wasn't the one who got the B.J. Gore wasn't the one who fought the investigation. Gore wasn't the one with the character flaw. That's tired.

[Demonaut]

29. freeper troll?...........their site is down so lurking here must sound fun

I dont mean you tedoll78, the two who've ragged on Clinton

[WitchWay]

41. as for clinton...

I don't think that people should have held Gore accountable for Clinton, I just know people who did (personally) -- but there were missteps, I do believe.

Clinton was responsible for signing NAFTA, the WTO and Welfare Reform --and things were not all that peaceful. Don't forget the bombing in Iraq and Serbia. Or the sanctions in Iraq. Clinton was very much an imperialist.

I think that elected officials need to "nanny" themselves. They are grown up and they should act as such. We should expect that out of them. It's not okay for them to put themselves ahead of those who elected them into office. It's selfish.

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[WitchWay]

49. Yes

Because I think Clinton is wrong, I must be a freeper.

You're analysis is very deep, indeed!

(sarcasm ON)

[Name removed]

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[WitchWay]

61. You've given yourself away

You're attempt to humiliate/harass me by vague accusations about my age, or about "who I am" is itself, not only immature but troubling and bullying.

Don't hazard any guesses about me, because you do not know me.

When people have to revert to acting like they are inside someone's head, or make accusations to the effect that they "know" someone, or try to belittle/humiliate by accusations such as yours (that I am "very young" or that my "child inside" needs development) -- I find this sort of behavior harassing and disturbing.

[Old and In the Way]

62. I thought you were Casper the friendly ghost.

was I wrong?

[Demonaut]

64. Your options are:" Ingore" my posts, or "Respond" to my posts

it goes both ways

[Old and In the Way]

54. So I take it you think sex is dirty?

Strictly for procreation, to do the Lord's work? It must be a boring world you live in...

[WitchWay]

63. ???

Egads! I'm not even a Christian! Please look at my name...(I'm a witch and a pagan...the last I checked paganism is not a prudish religion.)

I am disturbed because other interns were not given promotions because they didn't have sex with Clinton. Yes, that is disturbing.

I don't think it was okay for clinton to lie under oath.

I don't think it was okay for Clinton to do this, because he knew it was wrong and endangered his ability to represent his constituency in office. I voted for the guy, and he screwed me over. He was selfish and put himself before anyone else.

It is also disturbing to have to be the brunt of sexually harassing behavior on the job. I have suffered sexually harassment in my life, in many ways -- so I take it seriously. It is not funny. If you are passed over for promotion/raises/training, leave work positions that are uncomfortable, feel humiliated or scared -- here and there...it starts to really add up and suddenly you find yourself really, really hurt in the long run. This includes being somewhere where someone is given advantages due to the fact that they are willing to be sexually involved with an employer, while you are not.

[Carolina]

78. yep, if a blow job

bothers you more than Bush's snow job of lies about: war, education, social security, the environment, the economy ...
then the freeper shoe kinda fits, eh?!

[melv]

82. It's not unfair to think Clinton was wrong

but for you to judge him as a president based on his private behavior is.

[Demonaut]

19. sexual hangups are no way to judge a man

nt

[maggrwaggr]

22. The only person who can ask me about my sex life is my wife

NOBODY else has any goddamn business asking it.

Unless there's a paternity suit involved.

Seriously, the fact that you took this bait is very discouraging.

[Blasphemer]

24. The only thing that was "normalized"...

is the kind of despicable actions that the Thugs who went after him engaged in and continue to engage in at the expense of our country's well being. No one will ever convince me that certain behavior is suddenly acceptable because of Clinton - that is just a repuke talking point. What I HAVE seen is that because they were able to get away with putting him on trial over something completely insignificant, these same psycopaths continue to believe that they can get away with anything without answering to ANYONE. They didn't care that despite their best efforts, President Clinton was still extremely popular, they didn't care what the people thought or what was best for the country and they still don't. Only a small part of the legacy of Monica-Gate is about Clinton's foibles.

[Old and In the Way]

36. Sorry, having sex between consenting adults is not unconstitutional

I could give a rat's ass what BC did in his private office. I do care what his policies and stewardship of this country produced for results.....and they were damn good.

I hate to break this to you, but people who become POTUS naturally have large libido's (the current imposter notwithstanding). Clinton was not the first to get a little on the side.....as did many of the Republican hypocrites who publicly used this against him for crass political purposes.

Anyway, I'd rather have a President who lies about staining a dress with semen than a pResident who lies about staining the American flag with the blood of US soldiers.

But that is me. BTW, what is the harassing BS? Clearly, most of the charges were trumped up to make him look like a serial molester. It doesn't surprise me in the least that women would be attracted to him and he's clearly enjots the company of the opposite. Given some of the gold-diggers who later posed for Penthouse for $, I really don't believe they had much credibility in the 1st place.

Spare me the moral outrage with Bill Clinton. If you can't understand the difference between true moral depravity, that is your problem.

[Demonaut]

37. responsible adults take their pants off all the time

later i will, as to normalized behavior, been trying the cigar/blue dress combo on my coworker for ages to no avail.

[Lindacooks]

45. Yes, it was his own personal business

You're really okay with this country spending upwards of $40 million dollars on a SEX ISSUE? It was nobody else's damn business, and that stupid tomfoolery by the Repukes is probably what cost us the World Trade Centers. They were fiddling while Rome burned. ALL those damn Repukes did during the '90s was try to overthrow a duly elected President and everything PRESIDENT Clinton did to try to draw attention to terrorists and the need to protect ourselves against them was belittled by Repukes as 'distracting us from the important issue of impeachment'.

And damn right I'm angry. I'm furious. And no, I'll NEVER get over it.

[Kimber Scott]

53. The only difference between Clinton

and most other powerful men is he got caught. I feel I was raped by the media and the Republican Congress by shoving this private matter down my throat. (Analogy intended.)

[InnerCityBlues]

69. Honestly

I wrote some real nasty shit about your comments about our Beloved President Clinton, then I said to myself, well, If i have nothing nice to say, then i shouldn't say anything at all. And that's that.

[JNelson6563]

72. Who said it was "ok"?

And your soap box rant doesn't negate a single thing in the post you reply to.

Is the Clenis taking up that much space in your head still? Wow, the RW did a number on you!

Zowie!

Julie

[Bridget Burke]

74. Your priorities are seriously off-kilter.

He was foolish not to refuse Monica when she came on to him. But there was no "harassment" in that affair.

I continue to be disgusted by those who consider his weakness of the flesh more blameworthy than the continuing lies that flow out of today's Oval Office. Thousands of deaths have resulted from that duplicity.

Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman." The statement was, in fact, true; they did not engage in full sexual intercourse. But it was seen as "shading the truth". Let's see comparable analytical & investigative energies focused on "Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to strike America, to attack us, I would have used every resource, every asset, every power of the government, to protect the American people."

Thousands of deaths. And they're still dying.

[Suziq]

77. Oh Grow Up!

I can no longer sit here and watch people bash the best President in my L O N G lifetime. Clinton's behavior was not harrassment - it was between two consenting adults. It was definitely his own business. :grr:

[melv]

81. it was not sexual harrasment

just to recap, that's only when it is not consensual. On TOP of that, IT WAS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!!!!!!! this does not mean I wouldn't string my husband from his toes if I caught him doing such a thing. Emphasis - MY husband. NONE of your business.

[dawn]

90. Well, I didn't really care.

I guess I'm "not okay" then. I didn't give a rat's ass about his affair.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but some of us mind our own business.

[hexola]

9. Tell them - Don't be a fool like Bill Clinton...

and tarnish your greatness, reputation and years of hard work for some lame ass moment of self-gratification!

i.e. Tell them the truth!

[Lindacooks]

46. He isn't the one who 'tarnished' anything

It was those fool Repukes, who wouldn't talk about anything else, primarily because their own sex lives were so pitiful.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. Tell them that he was a great president that made a mistake...

...is that too hard for you to do?

[Catherine Vincent]

28. I think bluestateguy was being sarcastic.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. Oh? Didn't look that way to me.

[Rabrrrrrr]

47. I saw it as nothing but sarcasm

And didn't take him seriously at all.

[Demonaut]

17. that great men can make minor mistakes

[bluestateguy]

2. Seriously

I saw him speak a year ago in Austin. I had a seats in the 10th row. What a fantastic speech, with vision, and yes, moral clarity.

[A HERETIC I AM]

3. It seems a little silly....but....

me too....i get a lumpp in my throat sometimes when i hear him. When i hear Bush, all i can think is..."Yeah, sure, whatever, dipshit. For you and the rest of the comfortable, of course"

When i hear Clinton, i honestly think he is concerned for me. I have NEVER gotten that feeling from Bush.

BTW....and i mean no disrespect, Kerry needs to take some pointers from ol' Bill on public speaking. He seems...sometimes,,,.......stilted? yeah.....good word.


Stilted.

He needs to relax.

[hexola]

4. People try to play down the importance of...

INTELLIGENCE...and the ability to communicate effectively. That is the primary role...to communicate, to lead. Who knows - there may be a very good argument for invading Iraq - just WAITING to be ARTICULATED! The proper choice of words could sell this war to a broader demographic. Instead, we have Bush, who is willing to go out in front of educated people and drone about "Evil Doers" and those who attack America because they "hate freedom." Sorry Mr. Bush - I think there's a bit more to it than that.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely NO good reason to justify...

...what we've done in Iraq. We have lost hundreds, perhaps thousands, of American lives based on a pack of lies. The number of people coming back with horrendous wounds numbers in the thousands.

The Iraqis have lost tens of thousands of innocent people who had the misfortune of being born in a country that became a target of the NeoCons.

Even Bill Clinton would have been hard-pressed to come up with the kind of rhetoric to sell this pig in a poke.

[hexola]

50. Yeah - agreed...

but the point is - even if there was a good reason - Bush doesn't seem capable of making the case. And as you said...

Even Bill Clinton would have been hard-pressed to come up with the kind of rhetoric...

[tedoll78]

7. I get misty-eyed also.

I was in college from 1996 to 2000. Those were probably the best years this country has seen in a while, and things won't get that nice again for a looong, long time.

People were graduating from college with job recruiters ringing the phones off the hook, sign-on bonuses ready.
Gas had gotten down to 90 cents a gallon.
Throngs of people all over the world gathered no matter where our leader went, just to see a glimpse of him and feel the hope that he radiated. We were so respected, dare I say beloved?
You could put money into the stock market and feel safe knowing that you wouldn't jeopardize your retirement savings.
And the press wasn't required to use the words "terror" or "fear" every 5 minutes; the worst worry we had was over consensual oral sex in private..

Hell, even entertainment was better back then. Saturday Night Live was hilarious - Will Ferrell and Cheri O'teri were making us laugh our asses off consistently. Chris Kattan starred as Mango. Darrell Hammond did a kick-ass Clinton impression that made you howl every time. And even the music was better then. TV in general was great. Overall, I think we saw something of a cultural resurgence. It was so enjoyable, and I think in some way that it went hand-in-hand with the general positive tone that he set for the country. We were basically living the high life, and I'm thankful to have experienced those times.

*sniff*

[Demonaut]

59. need a hug? i felt the same way, even the seasons were more consistant

misery loves company as my Nan would say

[jus_the_facts]

8. yeah we had it pretty good...if only for a little while....

....he's an obvious genius...yet the fReepers praise a simian like retard as their hero and saviour...my cynicism deepens! :evilfrown:

[Arugula Latte]

10. Didn't you guys get the memo?

'Murkins don't want a president with all that fancy book learnin' and fancy talk and INTELLIGENCE, for gawd's sake! They want a dumbass dipshit total failure from Texas who was a frickin' drunk and a cheerleader. Why? 'Cause everybody just likes him so much. Now, wouldn't you want to sit down and have a beer with a beady-eyed little arrogant prick who never earned anything in his life, including the presidency, just 'cause he won't bore you with all that fancy talk? That's what 'Murkins want in a president. The media tells me so.

[Catherine Vincent]

20. LOL! Great post and oh so correct!

:toast:

[countmyvote4real]

26. Come over here and sit by me.

I like your style. Thank you for that post.

[readmylips]

58. but...littleman bush speaks Spanish...

gutter Spanish he learned while socializing with whores along the mexican border...Margarita besame el culo!

[AgadorSparticus]

68. yea, speaks spanish...all 10 words. puh-leeeeeese!

i've seen him make a complete ass of himself in the rio grande valley trying to impress the "natives" with his so called es-pan-yole. he was as fake then as he is today.

[billybob537]

18. Gore's mistake

was distancing himself from Clinton during the campaign. Clinton could have saved gore.

[rpannier]

66. That's Riiighhhhht

That is sooooooooooooo right. Gore never should have distanced himself from Bill.

[psychopomp]

21. Bullstuff

The rich got richer under Clinton and the poor got temporary- and service jobs, at least that's how I remember it...

Yes, Bill was eloquent and charming, I'll give you that, but he was never in my corner.

[Old and In the Way]

44. Actually, everyone did better.

Service jobs, telcom, internet, and Programming jobs, particularly. 20MM jobs created and we went from a $300BB deficit under Bush1 to a $400BB surplus under Clinton.

[psychopomp]

67. I graduated and entered the work force in the early 90's

I was a network administrator in Silicon Valley and worked for what is now the #2 biotech co. in the world.

How many of us who fueled that tech boom were permanent employees? A small percentage, believe me. No bennies, no security, welcome to the "new economy."

[billybob537]

48. Okay

so 1 guy didn't do well under Clinton. I stand corrected.

[WitchWay]

52. Me, too

I did terribly under Clinton. I had a real tough time under Clinton.

Also, I had to hear more jokes, remarks, comments that started off jokingly about Clinton that had really nasty undertones/expectations where I felt sexually harasseed and stuff, and I really blame Clinton for making this sort of thing acceptable. I think organizations like NOW should not have accpeted this sort of behavior, or belittled the situation. Instead they pretty much acted like Monica was some little tramp -- instead of addressing the REAL issue which was that other people (men and women) were not getting fair treatment because they were not giving Clinton sexual favors.

also, it's not funny to be in a situation where you are passed over because someone else gets favoritism due to their sexual willingness. That is not okay, and Clinton made it look okay.

[Old and In the Way]

57. Puhlease.....if you didn't do well in the 90's relative to any other

decade, you were in the minority...bigtime. As for this mini-crusade of yours, it really plays well over at the FreeRepublic. What Bill did or didn't do with his Johnson, is none of your or my business. Why do you Republicans have such a purient interest in Clinton's willy?

[Demonaut]

60. the site is down in Colorado so they've nothing better to do

than debate issues they've little knowledge of

[WitchWay]

65. Okay

So, all of the sudden anyone who is against Sexual Harassment must be a freeper. This is what I mean when I say that clinton normalized sexual harassment.

Also, please don't slyly accuse me of being a republican -- and secondarily, don't implicate that I have a "prurient interest in Clinton's willy" -- that is a very disgusting and unwelcome remark and accusation, although you tried to phrase it indirectly.

I'm not okay with that sort of remark, and it's exactly the kind of thing that I am trying to point out is at issue. You are trying to demean and belittle me because I think sexual harassment is wrong, and you do so by using sexual innuendo, which is very innapropriate.

[Ganja Ninja]

87. Who did Clinton sexually harass? Monica was willing.

A single incidence of an unwanted sexual advance doesn't constitute sexual harassment. So who did Clinton make repeated inappropriate sexual advances to?

[Bridget Burke]

75. Monica wasn't looking for a promotion.

She was a silly, starstruck girl who figured out the hard way why it's not a good idea to mess with married men.

Nasty jokes have been around a long time. All those jokes told about Clinton were made possible by a well-financed investigation into his life that managed to find one mistake.

Sorry if you think you missed a promotion--but that's not Clinton's fault.

[stanwyck]

92. A feminist who totally disagrees

First, if you did badly under the Clinton economy, you need to get more education or find out what you're doing wrong to be so unemployable. Those were eight years of a boom economy....blame yourself.
Second, as a feminist, consensual sex between willing adults is not sexual harrassment. Monica, Paula, and Gennifer weren't victims. They were sexual partners. Understand the difference and you won't be a victim. Sexual harrassment is real. So is consensual sex. You have issues. You need to see a therapist. Men are not predators. Women are not victims. Grow up.

[Ends12232012]

88. Actually, there were many more...

Take a look at this report dated December 1999 from the Economic Policy Institute entitled:

NO SHORTAGE OF "NONSTANDARD" JOBS
Nearly 30% of workers employed in part-time, temping, and other alternative arrangements

Even in the midst of a booming economy, with wages rising and unemployment at historic lows, reliance by the U.S. economy on nonstandard jobs - part-time work, independent contracting, temping, on-call work, day labor, and self-employment - remains as strong as ever. Employers argue that these jobs (also called contingent work) provide the flexibility needed to be competitive. But these perceived advantages notwithstanding, as of 1997, most nonstandard workers, on average, were paid less, were less likely to receive health insurance or a pension, and had less job security than workers in regular full-time jobs. The disparities between nonstandard and regular full-time jobs persist even when comparing workers with similar personal, educational, and job characteristics.

Some types of nonstandard work indeed pay high wages, but even these arrangements are usually deficient with respect to fringe benefits and job security. Compared to regular employment, these jobs are also characterized by a higher degree of wage variability among workers. In other words, while some nonstandard workers may be highly paid, other nonstandard workers in the same type of arrangement receive significantly lower wages, and these pay differentials are greater than the differentials for regular full-time workers. But the most common types of nonstandard work arrangements - such as temping and part-time work - are, on average, inferior in all respects to regular full-time jobs. Moreover, most nonstandard workers are employed in the worst kinds of nonstandard jobs.

You can read the full article at http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/briefingpapers_hudson_hudson

[ThreeCatNight]

83. And our current "leader"....

cares about you more than the Big Dog?
Puleeeze.

[hexola]

23. I was so pissed he lied...

Not because of what he did - but because of all the pubic defense most Clinton supporters had to do thru the Whitewater BS. And only to have it end with some stupid lie about a BJ - what a let down. He should have come clean as soon as he was nailed.

And what a marginal schwag woman...God, dude! I'd take the old lady (HC) over that, anyday.

Reminds me...

Remember when David Lee Roth got busted buying a dime bag in Central Park? He's said the worst part wasn't that his fans now knew he smoked pot...the worst part was they knew he smoked crappy pot.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. Oh, please. We get the picture. Enough, already...

...and who gives a flying crap about Roth?

[Demonaut]

32. pugs are generally stupid but scaife scented blood

and sent the dogs in for the kill

[dawn]

91. Well...

Maybe he had different tastes in women than you do.

[hexola]

27. CLINTON SAVES!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. Hexola raves.

[Demonaut]

55. CLINTON SAVES!

[nomatrix]

56. He is human

and he humbled himself. What is it that bothers you so much? Morality? There's an old saying, "Don't be so heavenly bound that you are no earthly good."

We watched a man go into the streets of NYC with the people in pain and comfort them. No I'm not talking about Gulianni. No one ever brings up his oval office. It's O.K. with pubs if you dump your wife.

If you got a problem with Bill, there another forum to go dump that on.

You know with all the Viagra and clone commercials today, obviously, not such a taboo subject. Bob Dole did one, ya Libby's not his only wife. So, get over it. We listened enough to that crap.


I am glad to see the democrats united.

[Only Me]

70. Me too!

I have cried many times since he has been gone. I hated the way he was hunted from the start of his presidency. The media waited and plotted till they finally had something bring him down.

Someone on something I read recently asked him if he had any thoughts of running for any public office in the future. He said something to the effect of he had his fill of all that and just wanted to be a regular voting person.

I think it was so sad for him and us. He had a brilliant mind and a good heart.

[dryan]

79. Bill Clinton

If Bill Clinton could run again he would win by a landslide against george bush. The Republicans know this and that's why they still hate him. As far as the Monica Lewinsky affair goes, it was a sleazy affair and Clinton was wrong for getting involved with a person who worked for him--and then lie about it. I forgave him a long time ago and I'm a devout Christian who takes marriage very seriously. History (and God) will be the judge.

[sadiesworld]

84. "Getting involved" with an employee is not "wrong".

Nor does it constitute sexual harassment. Generally, sexual harassment falls into two categories. One involves an employer making a workplace offensive, e.g.,crude comments or prominently displayed, sexually explicit material (think Clarence Thomas or Ahnold...oh,wait a minute...Ahnold's case would be closer to battery-a criminal matter). The second type of harassment involves discrimination based on the "terms or conditions of employment". I have never heard where Clinton made any threats or promises to Monica dependent upon whether or not she would engage in sexual conduct. My clear recollection is that she was a willing participant, if not the "aggressor".

BTW, my mother met my father while in his employ...it worked out fine.

Now, if you want to discuss whether Clinton should have realized that the RW would stop at nothing in order to bring him down, and he should have given more thought to the entire affair...THAT is a reasonable topic for discussion.

[Liberal Christian]

93. Perspective on sexual misconduct while in positions of trust and authority

This is an excerpt from a February 2000 article by Marie Fortune in the SIECUS Report. She's a leader in the area of sexual harassment/misconduct and is worth a close read. She addresses some of the feminist concerns and other concerns. Here's a link to the whole issue; this article starts on page 14: http://www.siecus.org/siecusreport/volume28/28-3.pdf

<snip>

POWER AND RESPONSIBILITY
President Clinton had the power and the responsibility to ensure that this “inappropriate relationship” did not happen. And he failed. I still do not understand why he would risk everything for this relationship. Perhaps this is the essence of the arrogance of power. Perhaps he really believed he would get away with it. Perhaps he, like many other powerful men, really believed that the rules did not apply to him. It is true that President Clinton’s private behavior is nobody’s business. I really don’t care if or with whom he has sexual relations so long as it is not coercive or exploitative.

But he made it our business when he engaged in this behavior in the Oval Office, in the work setting, with a young employee. And then he hedged the truth in court and to the public. Basically, he violated the 11th Commandment:“Thou shalt not show thy rod to thy staff.” And then tried to avoid the consequences.

<snip>

In this case, I, along with many other women, was forced to juggle the political realities at stake. This is always required of those of us who have limited political power.We are forced to live with some things in order to ensure others. This was clear in the statements of political support for President Clinton from numerous national women’s organizations. While deploring his conduct, they lined up beside him on the issues.This is politics.

“What about all the good that he has done?” the polls said. In many quarters, there was no question about the success of his Presidency. For women, it is still the best we have had in some time. Although people have pondered aloud why feminists were relatively quiet throughout all of this, the answer is really very simple:we were in a “lose-lose” situation.

He was the first president to support many concerns of women—in economics, violence in the home, health care, support for children. He was the first president to appoint excellent women to his cabinet. He was the first president to support and deliver on funding for some of our concerns. If he were driven from office by a right wing political agenda, we would lose. If he were driven from office because his own conduct so compromised his ability to govern effectively, we would lose. So what were we supposed to say? This is the age-old story of patriarchy: no matter what, women lose.

<snip>

[Spazito]

80. Everything being relative...

who would garner more of my disgust:

A President that grew the economy, was respected around the world, addressed the social needs of the populace while still managing to generate a surplus and who had a legal consensual sexual affair which should be nobodies business except to his family

or

A President that has involved the country in an illegal and immoral invasion of a sovreign country causing the death of 587+ American troops and untold thousands of the sovreign country's citizens, turned a surplus into a massive deficit, grew the unemployed ranks, decimated most social programs, despised around the world, etc.

Ummmm, gee, that's a hard choice, NOT, but that's probably just my socialistic, commie, leftie Canadian opinion.

[BabsSong]

85. Last night he was absolutely fantastic

It was how easily he could paint the pictures that needed painting---he told us how the enemy works, how filthy they are, what they do to candidates, etc. I want that speech done at the convention so America can hear. It's time to bring out the Big Dog even if the repukes will go wild (of course they will because they are afraid of him---but none of them will vote for a Dem anyhow). This time we need to use Bill and we need to point to accomplishments of that administration. We can't let the Limbaughs keep him in the closet. Oh, also, his pointing out of the numbers of kids, etc. that were harmed so Bush could give him (who is now quite rich) a tax cut was terrific. It made Bush's tax cuts have a face rather than just saying they were "wrong".

[supernova]

86. I miss Bill too!

:-(

I miss his eloquence and openness.

I miss his brainpower. I miss that he actually bothers to study a subject before he opens his mouth on it.

I miss that he is so sensitive to racial equality and the dark lessons of the past that light the way to the future. He gets it.

I miss that, despite his foibles, he is very supportive of womens' achievement. He gets it. Hillary noted that without his help, she would likely not be a Senator now.

I miss his optimism and willingness to bring out the best in the American people.

And yeah, John Kerry would be wise to put him to use.