where does LIHOP stand now

[gWbush is Mabus]

we know that the BA received NUMEROUS warnings about 9/11

france
putin
CIA
FBI
Clarke
etc.


has anybody moved into the LIHOP camp recently?

[yardwork]

1. Please give more details about exactly what is meant by LIHOP.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. Let It Happen On Purpose

as in, 9/11

[DenverDem]

3. LIHOP is wrong.

It's MIHOP!! 911 could not have happened without direct complicity at the highest levels of the command and control chain.

[arcane1]

4. LIHOP is more and more reinforced as time passes

I become only more convinced

the current 9/11 testimony, and the Admin's handling of it, certainly leads one further into the LIHOP camp

the gallows are too good for these traitors :grr:

[el_gato]

5. and they are scared shitless of direct question about it

Ashcroft stopping commercial flying
The warnings
The lies about not knowing planes could be used
the failure to dispatch fighter jets
the bin laden family fly out
and the strangly intact and conveniently placed Atta passport on top of the WTC rubble
and don't forget about the case of Michael Terence Meiring, the american caught with a bomb in the phillipines and the FBI comes in and whisks him away.

The elite have an agenda alright and 9/11 is part of it.

[BlueEyedSon]

7. Ok, I need a source on the Ashcroft story.

Seriously. Someone get me a link that proves he refused to fly pre-911.

[el_gato]

9. i remember it when it happened and thought that was kinda strange

but i'll find you a link

[Minstrel Boy]

14. CBS News, July 26, 2001: "Ashcroft Flying High"

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

[HFishbine]

15. Source/Link

It was never that Asscrack stopped flying, but that he stopped flying commercial airlines.
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Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

[el_gato]

16. damn you folks are quick

[HFishbine]

17. It helps

to remember that CBS first reported it. Googling "Ashcroft fly cbs" will find it right away.

[BlueEyedSon]

6. Long Island House of Pancakes.

[x-g.o.p.er]

22. ROFL!!!! n/t

[seventhson]

8. I remain MIHOP (Reichstag Plan/Operation Northwoods) BECAUSE:

1. The Bushes were backing Hitler in 1932 and THE SAME DAMN THINGS HAPPENED IN GERMANY after the Reichstag fire which was an ivy league style covert operation (spooks from Harvard had the keys to do the deed)

2. Hatfield said European intel said it was neoNazis working with Osama and this reeks of Intel corporate fascist involvement of the mercenary sort.

See here:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

excerpt"

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

[seventhson]

11. For those interested in the Harvard Nazi Rechstag connection

The Hitler "Seig Heil" chant camefrom the Harvard football chant according to this - and it implicates the Harvard Nazi Karl Rove equivalent for Hitler:

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_08.htm

[Ready4Change]

10. IMHO, at least LIH, questioning OP part and MIHOP.

I'm convinced this administration at least Let It Happen. The BEST the Bush administration can claim is that they dropped the anti-terrorism ball handed to them by the Clinton administration.

My questions now are regarding whether they let it happen On Purpose. Ie: Did they know this attempt was in the works and intentionally do nothing to stop it?

MIHOP still seems too paranoid to me. I'll keep an open mind should any valid evidence show up.

[BrotherBuzz]

13. Yes, complacent or complicit?

This is the question that needs to be asked.

[Beam Me Up]

21. Please define "valid" evidence.

A man is standing over a dead body holding a smoking gun. Did he pull the trigger? Perhaps he only fired the gun over his head as a warning, or perhaps he aimed and fired but missed, while another unseen gunman fired the fatal shot. Only CLOSER EXAMINATION OF THE EVIDENCE would be able to determine precisely what happened.

A lot of VALID evidence exists regarding what happened and who was responsible for the events of 9/11. Much of that evidence is circumstantial. Some of it is physical. WITHOUT CLOSE EXAMINATION (that is, access to under-oath testimony, and analysis of physical evidence) how can anyone ascertain precisely what happened and who was responsible?

One thing is absolutely certain: The government and the media are lying--both directly and indirectly by not publicly connecting the dots--about many, if not most, of the events of that day and the history of intrigue that led to them.

WHY?

[Ready4Change]

24. Examples of valid evidence:

For letting it happen On Purpose: A memo from a high Bush administrator (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice) saying that no interceptors should be launched on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

For MIHOP: Video footage that clearly shows something other than an airliner hitting the Pentagon. Records of communications between the White House and elements high in the AQ organization.

[Beam Me Up]

26. Speculations for your consideration.

#1 -- Would never exist. Not that stupid.

#2a -- Might possibly exist. My understanding is the FBI, for example, took the security camera video from a filling station near the Pentagon. If so, it is now, I assume, classified information. Moreover, I have a difficult time believing there is only ONE security camera at or near the Pentagon that caught images of the strike. Conceivable but seems highly unlikely. The question is, if indeed other video footage exists, why hasn't it been made public? Why did it take months for the footage we have to be made public? It is worth noting that this footage is 'strange' in many respects: (missing frames, wrong date stamp, 757 ambiguous , impossible 'vapor trail' visible at ground level, etc.)

#2b -- Would never exist. Not necessary in any case. If 9/11 was an inside job, it was a sophisticated "black-op" orchestrated by highly trained covert agents working under a military commander. No need for anyone in the WH to talk with AQ; only those who RUN AQ or AQ look-alikes.

[JohnyCanuck]

12. FBI translator now saying they knew.

From Salon, March 26 2004

A former FBI wiretap translator with top-secret security clearance, who has been called "very credible" by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, has told Salon she recently testified to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States that the FBI had detailed information prior to Sept. 11, 2001, that a terrorist attack involving airplanes was being plotted.

Referring to the Homeland Security Department's color-coded warnings instituted in the wake of 9/11, the former translator, Sibel Edmonds, told Salon, "We should have had orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available." Edmonds is offended by the Bush White House claim that it lacked foreknowledge of the kind of attacks made by al-Qaida on 9/11. "Especially after reading National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice where she said, we had no specific information whatsoever of domestic threat or that they might use airplanes. That's an outrageous lie. And documents can prove it's a lie."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/26/translator/index_np.html

See also these DU threads in LBN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x445455

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x442067#445213

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. Actually I am waffling on the edge of LIHOP and about to fall headfirst

into MIHOP. It is sickening...absolutely sickening.

[RaulGroom]

19. It is now one of three choices

And it's the one in the middle.

Before, at least to many, there were four options:

1) The attack came out of the blue, and no one could have predicted it.
2) Evidence of the attack existed, but the Bush administration blew it and failed to put the puzzle together in time because they weren't too interested in terrorism unless it involved Saddam.
3) The Bushes knew some sort of attack was going to take place, but felt no need to stop it as they knew that it would likely help and not hurt their policy agenda.
4) The whole thing was engineered by the Bush administration from day one, and the hijackers' bosses (not the actual hijackers, which if you think about it makes no sense) were actually in U.S. Government employ when it happened.

At this point we can pretty much throw out #1. All along #3 has seemed the most plausible to me, just because it jives with the way Bush acted in that week or so after the attack - he had a sort of "What the hell have I gotten myself into here" sort of look on his face.

But at this point, there are three basic possibilities, the absolute most charitable being that the Bushes were grossly incompetent and dropped the ball, and the absolute most dastardly being that they planned the whole thing.

One thing to keep in mind is that in a LIHOP type scenario, probably only two or three people knew. I would imagine based on the way Condi is cracking up, she wasn't one of those people (if it really was a LIHOP.)

[RedSock]

20. LIHOP is obvious now

LIHOP should be clear to everyone now.

It's clear to me without a shred of a doubt.

LIHOP is the best they can hope for.

MIHOP is next to fall.

[LunaC]

23. Anyone doubting LIHOP/MIHOP

Please review The Whispering Campaign

And then pass it on......

[frylock]

25. notice the lack of naysayers over the last week?

As early as a week ago, any post making mention of LIHOP/MIHOP was usually full of folks condemning anyone who would even dare make such an insinuation. Have they all gone on vacation? Have the blinders been removed?

[pberq]

27. How about the oil/Taliban/bin Laden angle?

I'm new to this discussion (the hearings this week got me started - a big hats off to the 9-11 families who helped make these happen!), so let me know if this is old news or irrelevant.

In this article, the book "Bin Laden, the Forbidden Truth" is discussed and the most interesting part for me was the line
". . . the administration had told U.S. intelligence agencies to “back off” their investigations of bin Laden during the negotiations(with the Taliban about the oil pipeline), which could explain how numerous warnings of the September 11 suicide hijackings were missed."

http://www.freepress.org/index2.php