To Anyone Considering Voting Nader/Green/Third Party In Nov.

[Zorra]

I'm a Kucinich supporting anti-globalist lifetime populist liberal that scored to the "anarchical" left of Gandhi on the "political compass" test. I got so P****d off after the Bu$h selection that I left the country soon after in order to boycott what I consider a dictatorship, and because I did not want to live under the inevitable oppression of a Bu$h residency. I do not plan to return until Bu$h is out of power. Despite my enormous contempt for the DLC, I believe it would be counterproductive for me to vote for anyone that has no possible chance of removing Bu$h and the PNAC from power.

To Anyone Considering Voting For A Third Party Presidential Candidate In 2004.
Kayla Michaels
OpEdNews.Com
In the 1930's, the German people who opposed the Nazis spread their votes out among several political parties, and failed to unite behind a party strong enough to keep Hitler and the Nazis from attaining power. As a result of this unfortunate lack of foresight and unity among German voters, the Nazis gained enough power to give them the ability to covertly and undemocratically manipulate and control the German government in order to implement their radical right wing policies. The result, as you probably know, was iron fisted political repression, ethnic group persecutions, unilateral military aggression, and a subsequent worldwide bloodbath.

The parallels between the undemocratic, Machiavellian legislative manipulations of the Nazis in the 1930's and those of the Republican Party and the Bush administration of today should not be ignored. The 2000 election fiasco in Florida, the undemocratic re-districting farce in Texas, media consolidation, the Patriot Act, the electronic voting issue, the deliberate exclusion of Democrats from some legislative meetings, and the Bush administration’s false statements to, and subsequent betrayal of, Congress and our country that led to a premature pre-emptive invasion of Iraq, are but a few of many examples of this undemocratic political activity that parallels the activities of the Nazi’s in the 1930’s.

We cannot afford to ignore the tragic mistake that was made by the Germans, and must not repeat this mistake when casting our vote November. We simply cannot allow this undemocratic, repressive, and bloodthirsty right wing administration to continue its assault on our democracy.
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Our children must be given the opportunity to grow up in a world with some promise of liberty and hope. We cannot take the risk of denying our children this opportunity.

http://www.opednews.com/michaels032604_3rd_party.htm

[treepig]

1. it's always nice

to verify godwin's law right off the bat!

[kiahzero]

8. Godwin's "law" is bullshit

It has no logical basis... it's simply an arbitrary rule designed to prevent unfavorable comparisons.

[Sinistrous]

2. Nader is approaching the ramp.

If he continues his candidacy through the election, he will have jumped the shark. I can only hope he does not inflict another mortal wound on the country.

[bushbegone04]

3. well if Kerry really deserves the office

then he will unite the party and not make us want to vote for Ralph!

Kerry will win if he does the right thing. He's pulled one over on Dean but don't let him do it to the rest of us - make him work for our vote. That's why Kucinich needs to stay in it til the end.

[Cleita]

6. Sorry wrong post answered.

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[durutti]

4. The GOP is not the Nazi Party.

The Bush regime is repressive, but no more repressive that the regimes of Lincoln or Wilson. States always use war as a pretext for revoking civil liberties.

Fascism is a specific phenomenon driven by specific social forces. The GOP ain't it.

[tom_paine]

5. Disagree. Yes the Busheviks are (not yet) as violent as the Nazis

but there is a disturbing similarity in their propaganda strategies and design.

A disturbing similarity to 9/11 and the Reichstag Fire.

A disturbing similarity between the unPATRIOT Act and Hitler's Enabling Acts.

There's more, but my gorge is rising already.

If you wait for the swastika armbands and the beatings and the cattlecars full of piteous victims, you will probably have a long wait indeed.

Of course, any person with basic Marketing Knowledge knows that if you want to introduce an old, discredited product (Totalitarian Tyranny) under a new rubric you assiduously avoid comparisons to the old, discredited product you are trying to reintroduce.

You are correct in that the GOP is not Fascism. But the GOP isn't even the GOP anymore. The Party of Lincoln is now the Party of Jeff Davis and the GOP is an Imperial Family Toy, not a party, anymore.

Got a relevant quote for you:

"All over the world I dread the self-deception which we have experienced - that this could not happen here. It can happen anywhere. It is improbable only where the broad masses of the population are aware of the possible menace and thus will not be lulled into security; where they know the type of totalitarianism and will recognize it in its rudimentary stages and in each of its manifestations - this Proteus who keeps appearing in ever new masks, who slips eel-like out of our grasp, who does the opposite of what he says, who distorts the meaning of words, who speaks not in order to communicate or tell the truth, but in order to numb, to distract, to hypnotize, to intimidate, to dupe - who will exploit and evoke every fear, and will promise security and utterly wreck it at the same time.

Totalitarianism is neither Communism nor fascism nor National Socialism, but it has appeared in all of these forms. It is the universal, terrible threat of the future of mankind in a mass order. It is a phenomenon of our age, detached from all the politics governed by principles of a historic national existence of constitutional legality. Wherever it comes to power, domestic politics gives way to intrigues and acts of force, and foreign policy, the conduct of relations with other states, is shrouded in a semblance of talk and negotiation, but without being tied to any rules of the game, to any community of human interests."
--Karl Jaspers, German Psychiatrist, lived in 1930s Germany before escaping

http://www.whitecloud.com/fight_vs_totalitarianism.htm

Think about it. He's speaking DIRECTLY TO YOU!

I am not 100% certain this is the case but we are all fools if we ignore such obvious similarities simply because other aspects are missing (as previously discussed), they have to be missing or the Kampf wouldn't work.

[Toronto Ron]

7. Other hallmarks of fascism:

1) Control of the media

2) Subversion of science for the state's ends

3) Extreme economic and social regimentation

4) Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause



Hmmm...

[Zorra]

12. That's a great article.

Totalitarianism by any other name is still totalitarianism.

True,the GOP is not the Nazi Party. But the severe right wing agenda the GOP is a a very real threat, and I have every reason to believe that they will become even more repressive if we give them license to do so by not voting Bu$h and his PNAC Administration out in November.

It appears to me that they are actively working toward a one-party totalitarianist state in which opposition can be easily suppressed and, at the very least, made ineffective. If they are allowed to retain power, they may succeed with this apparent plan, and I think that this election might be our last reasonable chance of preventing them from implementing their agenda. We just can't in any way afford to risk it.

If it looks like a totalitarianist, and acts like a totalitarianist....

[Cleita]

9. I'm tired of pointing out the obvious.

If you don't see the dangerous parallels between the radical right wing of the GOP and facism, then you haven't boned up on your history. Read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" an important history of that time and of Nazism. If you still can't see why they are so alike Hitler's Nazis then it's because you don't want to see it.

[tom_paine]

10. Yes, Clete...I guess I'm tired, too

But I did it anyway.

:evilgrin:

[VOX]

11. Famous quote by Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/H-war/03-terrorism-war/2004/05H3-01-16-04-and-now-for-the-rest-of-the-story.html

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same way in any country." -- Hermann Goering, speaking at the Nuremberg Trials following WWII