I detest people who constantly spit on the Kennedy's graves

[CatWoman]

It's a cottage industry in this country.

Actor: I Slept With JFK Jr.'s Wife

NEW YORK, March 26, 2004


(AP) Former "Baywatch" actor Michael Bergin, who says he had an affair with John F. Kennedy Jr.'s wife less than a year after she was married, discussed their relationship in a book, "The Other Man," and on the A&E Network.

Bergin, a longtime friend of Carolyn Bessette's, said his affair with Bessette as a married woman began in Los Angeles in 1997, when she spent 11 days with him after saying Kennedy was on a kayaking trip with his friends.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/26/print/main609012.shtml

[trumad]

1. I always thought that folks like this don't even get judged

by the man/woman upstairs... They just go straight to hell!

[Ksec]

2. anything for a buck

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Nothing like trying to revive his sorry career with smut

[Skittles]

4. you know what's more disturbing?

people who watch this short of shit for entertainment. Right up there with the "reality TV" fans.

[PopSixSquish]

5. Meanwhile the National Equirer...

was peddling a story about JFK Jr's "alleged" love child. Saw that while standing in the line at the grocery store.

Unfortunately, the Kennedy's are a cottage industry in this country much like Princess Diana in Britain. While browsing the bookstore a few weeks ago, I came across yet another Di book. :puke:

About time we let these folks rest in peace.

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[LoZoccolo]

7. I don't know how to respond to that.

But I do know how to respond to this post!

:hi: :nuke:

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[GOPisEvil]

11. Address it to Teddy. He can offer his own defense.

Carolyn Bessette Kennedy cannot.

[LoZoccolo]

13. I didn't say anything about Mary Jo Kopechne.

I didn't even know the name of Mary Jo Kopechne before I saw your post. I'm only twenty-nine years old, and that's not old enough to know Mary Jo Kopechne. I had heard about the accident, but I didn't know the woman's name was Mary Jo Kopechne. But no, I don't get angry at the name "Mary Jo Kopechne" at all. I feel sorry for Mary Jo Kopechne. I also feel sorry for the relatives of Mary Jo Kopechne. I also actually thank you for putting a name - "Mary Jo Kopechne" - to this tragedy. So no, I am not angry about you mentioning the name "Mary Jo Kopechne".

[Bunny]

14. Well, in keeping with your fine tradition,

let's talk about a twenty-something George W. Bush knocking up a 15 yr. old girl, and then procuring an abortion for her. In 1971, pre Roe v. Wade, when abortions were still ILLEGAL????

Since you aren't addressing the topic at hand, I don't see any reason for me to either. So answer that one for me, okay Hoss?

Edited to emphasize the young lady's age: 15!!!!!! That's right, Jail Bait!!!! And ol' Dub was in his twenties at the time!! But he's a righteous man, ain't he?

[CatWoman]

16. and what about the boy Laura Bush killed

feel sorry for him?

[Bunny]

19. Good one, Catwoman!

What about young Laura Welch, killing her 17 yr. old ex boyfriend? Whattaya say to that?

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[are_we_united_yet]

50. Don't know what you said

But I bet you're an asshole

[CatWoman]

8. Last time I looked Teddy Kennedy was alive and breathing

don't piss on my thread mixing apples and oranges.

Let Teddy defend himself to the Kopechne family -- WHILE HE IS ALIVE AND ABLE TO DO SO.

Otherwise, go piss elsewhere.

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[CatWoman]

15. what does people writing books about the dead who can't defend

themselves have to do with Ted Kennedy?

Has he written a tell-all about Mary Jo?

What's your point?

If you want to discuss that incident, why not start your own thread instead of disrupting mine?

[LoZoccolo]

17. Your question.

How much money did he spend to get off the hook and could you or I do the same?

No, I don't think you or I could slip into the Texas Air Guard during the draft.

[H2O Man]

18. You don't belong on here.

This is for democrats and folks with similar viewpoints. The people who want to divert a serious conversation about the "late" Kennedy's with an attack on Ted belong on the religious/republican right forums. Thanks for stopping by, though.

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[CatWoman]

23. I didn't know Tom Delay posts on DU

:shrug:

[Bunny]

25. So, are you a one-trick pony?

Or do you want to respond to some of the other issues brought up in this thread. If you want to discuss events that occurred over 30 years ago, what about the 15 year old girl aborting Dub's child? What about Laura killing her boyfriend? What about ol' Dub's going AWOL from TANG and AANG? There's plenty of blame to go around, but you go ahead and keep bringing up Mary Jo Kopechne. You're scoring MAJOR points with that!!! :eyes:

[DrWeird]

27. Truth?

Were you being truthful when you signed the online agreement to post here?

[Dookus]

28. Then start a thread on it...

this thread has nothing to do with that issue. Hijacking a thread is a no-no.

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay, however brief.

[LoZoccolo]

30. Wait, this makes no sense.

It's hard to discuss the natural fate of the Kennedy members while ignoring the natural fate of Mary Jo Kopechne.

No it isn't.

[H2O Man]

34. If the truth is all that matters to you,

then could you explain -- honestly -- why you are on here? Does it make sense that people might suspect that someone "new" who starts to try to smear the Kennedy family is not a sincere contributor? No one on here is "hiding the truth" about the incident that you insist upon mentioning over and over and over. But I think that you may be hiding your purpose for being on here. Now be honest: what is the last book you've read? Is it Sean Hannity's newest?

[DemPopulist]

26. It was an accident

Some people respond very badly to that kind of trauma, and Kennedy was one of them. It's been held against him and his family for more than thirty years now. And really, I don't know that an average person in that scenario would've been treated differently. If it were Joe Blow, it would've been taken for what it was: a horrible accident. Because it was a Kennedy, people have conjured up all sorts of sinister explanations for something that was bad enough as it was.

I would point out that the Kopechne family has actually defended Kennedy on a number of occasions but you'd probably say that was just more proof of the cover-up. :eyes:

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[LoZoccolo]

31. McFly?

Is that the name of the person that took the accident report?

[CatWoman]

32. I think it's something served at McDonald's for frogs

:shrug:

[trumad]

33. Hey come on...It's a Dem forum

so what do you say we attack the current first lady for her Manslaughter accident..... What do you say...care to join me in the conversation!

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[LoZoccolo]

39. Yes.

She cut the guy's head off with a pig knife and tried to keep it too.

Sick.

[LoZoccolo]

40. That's why they call her "pickles", by the way.

They found 14 heads preserved in formaldehyde hidden in her closet. And we're going to let the leader of our country sleep with this woman every night? We expect stable governance with that going on?

[CatWoman]

43. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:D

[LoZoccolo]

45. For those few who don't see, I WAS KIDDING ABOUT LAURA BUSH.

It's hard to tell how rumors get started, but I don't want to be the one accidentally starting one!

[trumad]

42. Listen Pal

One of my hobbies on DU is to go back and read posts by folks like you and see exactly how they think and exactly what they'll bring to DU. I've done that with you and I gotta say that you've pretty much stuck up for the other party in about every post.

Why is that? Don'tcha ya feel it dude.... Dontcha feel us DU'ers bearing down? I've often wondered what it would be like to be in your shoes?

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again

[H2O Man]

48. To: trumad!!!

I noted your use of a sacred poem to exorcise the dark force on this thread. I was impressed. So I quoted from An American Prayer, and POOF! he was gone!

[trumad]

49. Well...

tomorrow I'm going to wake up in the morning and get myself a beer... Then celebrate your magic!

[LoZoccolo]

46. TOMBSTONED!

Boo-ya!

[DrWeird]

35. How do you feel about Mike Douglas?

You know, Laura's dead boy friend.

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[Bunny]

41. Well since you are abnormally fixated on the ten hour thing,

why don't you research this and find out? What about Laura's killing? What about the killing of Dub's baby, while it was ILLEGAL, I'll say again.

Come on kosher, give us the benefit of your vast knowledge. Educate us poor ignorant DUers.

[DrWeird]

44. She hit him straight on!

She ran the stop sign and hit her boyfriend head on. That's either a large amount of alcohol, or drugs, or murder/suicide, or involuntary manslaughter.

Only a hypocrite would complain about one and not the other.

[H2O Man]

47. Please define "TEH HOURS"

I looked in the dictionary, but was unabled to find it. Tell the truth: is it one of Sean Hannity's favorite words? Do you know we are being led to slaughters by placid admirals & that fat slow generals are getting obscene on young blood? Do you know we are ruled by TV? The moon is a dry blood beast.

[GOPisEvil]

9. Nothing like a little opportunistic slime job to make a few bucks.

What are 30 silver pieces going for these days?

[KittyWampus]

20. Only The Kennedy Family Is Regarded As American Royalty

I bet the Bush Family hates that.

[Bunny]

21. The Bush family will go down in history as something akin

to the modern day Borgias, no?

[bushbegone04]

24. Covered on O'Reilly tonight

Just happened by Faux and saw preview of coverage on this on O'Reilly tonight but there is a guest host.

[EstimatedProphet]

51. Damn! Looks like I missed all the fun!

There was a Freeper oozing around here, huh?
I'm always late for the party...

[Octafish]

52. I do, too. The Kennedys are a GREAT AMERICAN FAMILY.

Only one nation detests royalty more than the Irish. The United States of America.

Here's something many people don't know about Joseph Kennedy Jr., the big brother to a President, two Senators, and a bunch of other achievers...who all SERVED the nation:

Ensign Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. with his Navy flight trainer.




The President’s big brother was the one being groomed for a life in politics by their father, Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. Joe Jr. was preparing for just such a career, serving as a delegate from Massachusetts voting for FDR at the 1940 Democratic convention.

A brave, athletic and conscientious man, he volunteered for service in the US Navy before World War II. After completing his training in multi-engine aircraft, JPK was assigned command of a US Navy B-24 Liberator on anti-submarine warfare duty, flying missions out of an airbase in the UK over the North Atlantic from 1943-44.

On one mission, Kennedy’s four-engine aircraft was attacked by a Focke-Wulf 190, the German’s best single-prop fighter. Instead of hightailing it for a cloudbank, Kennedy turned his ship toward the fighter and ordered his crew to open up. The surprised FW tore off.

After completing his tour of 35 missions, IIRC, Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. was ready to be rotated stateside. Instead, he volunteered for a top-secret mission in which he would pilot an experimental version of the B-24 bomber.

The target was the V-2 launch sites along the coast of France. The V-2 was developed by Werner von Braun and his team at Peenemünde. One of Hitler's super-weapons, history's first ballistic missiles were used to rain death, destruction and terror upon London. The allies were worried that if the Nazis continued developing their super-weapons, the V-2’s descendants would be delivering bombs — possibly atomic — to New York City.

So the US Navy and Army Air Corps developed a secret weapon to use against the German V-2 sites along the coast of France. The plan was called: Operation Aphrodite and its objective was to knock out the V-2 sites along the coast of France.

The plan called for developing, basically, history’s first guided cruise missiles (Hey, Condi! You reading this?). The entire fuselage was filled with Torpex and gelignite, IIRC, and was to be armed by a rather elaborate, and untested, electronic arming panel. The giant plane had been converted from being a bomber capable of carrying sixteen 500 pound bombs and requiring a 10-man crew into one giant flying bomb.

Kennedy’s job was to get the ship airborne from its airfield in Great Britain, point it toward Europe, and bail out over the countryside. Sounds simple, but it was anything but. It was state-of-the-art science, engineering, and warfare. Joe Kennedy’s plane was among a few Liberators and Flying Fortresses modified for a very early version of remote control.

Like something out of Buck Rogers, the Navy equipped the airplane with a primitive 2-channel remote-control pilot. One radio signal could make the plane dive and climb and another signal could make it turn left and right. A prototype video camera would also send information to the Mother Ship, where the remote pilot sat before a tiny TV monitor.

Joe Kennedy and his fellow volunteer pilots were needed to get the flying bombs airborne. One aloft, they were to turn on the radio-guidance controls and arm the flying bomb. Then, somewhere over the English countryside, the pilot and bombardier were to bail out at an altitude of about ONE THOUSAND FEET.

The scientists and engineers in the Mother Ship would take over and signal on two radio frequencies: One to turn the stick RIGHT or LEFT; or push the stick FORWARD or pull the stick BACK. Primitive today, they were the first remote-controlled weapon of mass destruction. The Mother Ship would follow two miles or so back and then fly it over the English Channel and guide it down into the rocket launch sites.

It was dangerous work. Because of the modifications to the B-17s, one pilot was killed and another lost an arm in the process. By the time it was Joe’s turn in the B-24 there was reason for concern about a plan that was seeming to look like a suicide mission.

For the Kennedys and the future of American politics, the tragedy was that the Navy ship used a rather primitive arming panel. The regular engineer/co-pilot refused to fly and instead the Navy sent aloft the engineer who designed and installed the system.

Over the English countryside, the ship exploded, killing the two flyers and changing American political history. Joe's younger brother John Fitzgerald Kennedy then became the heir to the family's political ambitions.

John F. Kennedy made an outstanding President, living up to his brother’s promise of greatness. JFK, it should be remembered, saved the world from nuclear annihilation during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

While he never lived to see the dream realized, JFK also stretched mankind’s imagination and reach to the moon. Ironically, he even used the NAZI rocket scientist who developed the V-2 to do so. The same von Braun who the allied air command sent his lost brother, Joseph, to destroy.

— Octafish

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Two outstanding books on the subject of Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. and his service in World War II:

“Aphrodite: Desperate Mission” by Jack Olsen

and

“The Lost Prince: Young Joe, the Forgotten Kennedy” by Hank Searls.