is clarke *really* a hero?

[Bhaisahab]

Kurt Nimmo from Another Day In The Empire does not think so. But then Kurt is a person highly suspicious of authority:

The only difference between Clarke and the Bush neocons is that they were fixated on former CIA asset Saddam Hussein and Clarke fixated on former CIA asset Osama bin Laden. In short, not a dime's worth of difference between Clarke and the neocons.

Finally, read Scott Loughrey's The Disinformation of Richard Clarke.

"(I)t is hard not to believe that Clarke’s defection is a hoax," writes Loughrey. "The target audiences are the media sources and personalities who are still trying to promote the Bush Regime's Official Story of what happened on 9/11/01. (This is the fable of 19 suicidal hijackers flying planes into tall buildings at the behest of dialysis patient Osama bin Laden from his cave in Afghanistan.) Since the 911 Truth Movement is now very publicly challenging the Official Story, the White House surely enlisted Richard Clarke's 'defection' in order to help the media define the level of permissible dissent from the 911 Commission."

Makes sense to me.

more here: http://kurtnimmo.com/

[wtf]

1. He's absolutely a hero in my eyes..

n/t

[dudeness]

2. it is possible

but hopefully the damage he inflicts on the * cabal is terminal

[Momof1]

3. Hero, Call him on his shit & don't back down.

Damn I wish we could have a Kerry/Clark/Clarke ticket. Clarke being NSA.

[Bombtrack]

4. Take this fringe babble to indymedia

or some other site where everything that doesn't toe the hard-leftist/tin foil hat line is evil and suspicious.

Clarke is a great man and a patriot.

[xchrom]

5. not all hard leftists fall into

the camp you describe.

[wyldwolf]

10. I don't think bombtrack even suggested that...

[blm]

27. some leftists here are "faux"

and post to suppress the voter turnout on the left.

GOP has been doing it for almost 40 years.

[kaitykaity]

6. The Bushies are down to scraping gutters to try to destroy

this man. They turned the Washington equivalent of WMD on him. There isn't any way I'll be convinced that the panic from Rove and Co. isn't absolutely genuine.

[REP]

7. Of Course He Is

I find all these stories claiming that a "dialysis patient" is somehow incapable of plotting anything to be laughable; it just shows how little the authors of such stories know about dialysis.

As for Clarke: he is an admirable and courageous man.

[Paragon]

8. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

:tinfoilhat:

[elcondor]

18. heehee

In reply to whether or not Clarke is a hero, I absolutely think he is. Anyone who tells the truth in a time when the truth is often hard to speak is a hero in my opinion. The author of this article is seriously on something if he thinks that September 11th is a "fable." (As someone else mentioned--because bin Ladin is/was on dialysis he couldn't plan 9/11?!) Bizarre.

[KharmaTrain]

9. Wasn't That Clarke's Job?

Wasn't this the guy who was supposed to get OBL? Then what's the deal with him being obsessed by it and then pissed when Bunnypants decided Saddam's oil was more of a threat? Clarke was doing what he was hired to do...go after a guy who had issued a decree to kill Americans.

Guess you can't please everybody.

Clarke's no angel, but he's showing a lot of conviction in light of the trashing the reich wing is giving him. Just for standing his ground this long deserves admiration.

[Gore1FL]

11. The difference I see

Is that bin Laden was actually a threat, and Hussein was already contained.

There is a lot of difference there.

[mmonk]

12. patriot

The attacks, spin, and damage control prove it. And remember, to get his book published, it had to pass through the government first. He probably has more to say if pushed.

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

13. A hero of the highest order

an inspiration to all people who are oppressed by this crooked, neo-con regime!

[izzie]

14. No just a man who wants to get something off his chest.

Sounds like a man with ego and it got hurt but it also is true. If he was really for the party he would keep still, but he maybe more interested in the country or his ego. One never is sure.

[JI7]

15. check out some of nimmo's other articles

and you know where he is coming from. i stopped reading him after reading some of his articles.

[DarkPhenyx]

16. Hero? No.

Patriotic citizen who finally had enough of this BS? Yes.

Being a hero takes a little something more than I've seen him doing, but that dosen't take away from the value of what he has done. It simply puts it in the proper perspective.

[Vickers]

21. I initially had your view on this...I mean, c'mon, "hero" ?

It's not like he pulled somebody out of a burning building, or ran across a free-fire zone to rescue a wounded comrade.

But then I got to thinking about how many folks have been "suicided" and I reconsidered: I think he's being pretty heroic.

Are there some ulterior motives behind what he is doing, be it ego, or revenge, greed (more book sales), or even plain old spitefullness? I suppose, but I think that he is doing this about 98% because it's the correct thing to do.

The PATRIOTIC thing to do. And I'm talking about the original meaning of the word. Too bad right-wingers have bastardized that word to mean something it doesn't.

[DarkPhenyx]

23. Point taken, and I'll go with brave...

...but still not heroic. Well, he is kinda "cleaning out the Agean stables". Humm, I may have to reconsider "heroic". Wonder how Clarke looks in a Greek toga.

[OneBlueSky]

17. the two positions are not incompatible . . .

it's quite possible that Clarke is acting out of conscience AND that BushCo is using him to maintain the basic parameters of their 9/11 story . . . a story which has never made sense to me, and to many others . . . John Kaminski's article contains a lot of truth, imo, which will likely never be examined by the Commission . . .

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm

never underestimate what these people are capable of . . .

[mmonk]

19. I doubt the administration would risk damage

to its main re-election themes.

[0007]

20. Richard A. Clarke is a genuine countryman -

Exposing an idiot supported by idiots and money lords takes the meaning of patriotism out of the game, 'eh?

Now let's talk about the truth, 'eh?

[tom_paine]

22. Hero. You might want to cut back on the weed, professor

It's clouding you're judgement.

When you find yourself nodding in agreement with Sean Hannity that "1 + 1 = 3", you know you're in trouble.

[leesa]

24. I agree as well. The focus on OBL is a s much of a farce as the focus

on Saddam. Doubtful either one was involved.

However, I will take anyone interjecting doubt into the bovine masses.

[hang a left]

29. It takes very little around here sometimes to fill up the band wagon.

I think everyone is being played.....big time. This guy was "inside" for a long time. I am highly suspicious of Clarke and the WH responses to his book and statements. Supposedly the WH vetted this book for months......come on people. And the damn thing is released two days before televised 9/11 testimony, and to really juice things up he apologizes to the American people for not having "done enough." Please............this reeks to high heaven. Don't be so damn gullible! All of a sudden there are calls from this board for Clarke to be VP, Clarke to be SOS, you want to erect a statue of Clarke. You have taken the bait, hook, line and sinker.

This guy is a tool. He has been offered to shape opinion, and to assist with the fall of this administration. Why? Because a new one is waiting in the wings. They are redirecting and refocusing attention on the "real" enemy Al Queda. Yeah....OK.....whatever. THis is a ploy that we are seeing the initiation of, forget about Iraq, it's too late now, we can't leave, we have to stay and fix what we broke. But please American, we need to move on, there are bigger fish to fry. We are changing course now, follow us. Mark my words, this is the beginning of something new, all we need now is an event. And I believe we will see it soon, at least within the next 3-4 months. Hold on to your ass, cause we are going for another ride.

[bacchant]

25. Hmm...

I haven't read the article but the idea is intriguing. When you consider just how ludicrous the official story really is, and how so many unexplained events support MIHOP, redirecting the hounds to the lesser of two evils is not so far fetched. I believe the whole truth will eventually come out, the only question is when. The longer they can keep people from finding out how complicit they truly are, the less likely it is they will face judgment. In a few years revelations will dribble out and nobody will give a shit.

I'm not saying I totally buy this concept, but hey stranger things have happened; just consider the unimaginable events that have happened since Bush has taken office.

[seabeyond]

26. hero/not

who knows. but he has spoken out. no he isnt on the find a warless way to deal with issues and he is republican, he falls smack in the catagory. that is what makes him profound.

i dont have to agree with his politics, i dont have to know him as a man, he doesnt have to be my friend, but i do listen to what he says, many say, and i know cause i have watched and listened over the years

[Jackpine Radical]

28. Well, my tastes in hats has been known to run to run to the shiny

and crinkly a time or two, but I don't see the Clarke/O'Neill/Kay defections, together or separately, as part of some grteat limited-hangout strategy. I do think that all these people's thinking is further inside the box than the DU norm, but I think they're sincere and effective. In fact, their effectiveness is at least partly due to the fact that they ARE still partly inside the box. I've been a raving MIHOPer since Day 1 (i.e. 9-11), but I recognize that I'm not going to persuade many people of the truth as I see it--it's just too far out for the average trusting American. These guys, especially Clarke, are definitely pushing at least a solid LIHOP theory, and thereby pointing out that there are secrets the Bushies don't want to talk about, don't want us to have.

I really doubt, if MIHOP is indeed true, that Clarke knew anything about it. He's too much an Establishment, pre-PNACer to be let in on it. In that sense Cheney is right. He was "out of the loop." He probably doesn't know what was in the 9/6/01 PDB, and therefore isn't pushing to release it, since it would be nothing but a fishing expedition on his part to do so. He does, however, know what was in the classified emails to & from Condi he wants released.

[yellowcanine]

30. He is a hero in the sense that he took on *

knowing that to do so will mean he gets slimed bigtime by the *bots. Like all heros he has some warts. He did shill for * in 2002 when he should have probably resigned instead. Also, would have preferred that his outing to the failures of the * regime not come in a book where he stands to profit enormously. At the very least I would like to see the bulk of the book profits go to benefit the 9-11 families ot the Iraq war families.