Raise your hand if you belive the media polls

[mtnester]

Looking around...

How the HELL do Bush's* numbers go UP?!?!?!

[BeatleBoot]

1. I haven't seen them go up.

No one has provided a link to prove it.

[mtnester]

3. One second

Watching Dobb's show the charts, let me get the link

Will have to wait on the transcipt

[hippiegranny]

2. crickets chirping

in my little corner of the world. today's polls are so much bloviating by the bush corporate media. their strategy is to tell people they are winning, which makes it true.

[BeatleBoot]

10. Crickets REALLY Chirping...

[BeatleBoot]

17. Chirp, Chirp, Chirp, Chirp, Chirp, Chirp....

[mandyky]

4. I have said many times

I have not believed the polls since the lead up to the Iraq invasion.
Nor do I believe Lieberman had the poll numbers the media reported at the start of the primaries. Especially since 9-11 our nationalistic government media has polled with bias as far as I am concerned.

[yardwork]

5. I agree completely.

I've been posting this almost daily since joining DU. The polls appear to be biased at every level. The sampling is highly questionable. The questions are often confusing and non-illuminating (like this week's Newsweek poll: Has Clarke changed your opinion of Bush? There was no option for "Hell no! I'm still convinced that * is a liar!"). Even presentations of the poll "results" are incorrect. Not one reporter in 1,000 appears to understand basic statistics or margins of error.

And all that is assuming that the numbers aren't just cooked up someplace, which they very well may be.

[izzie]

6. I never believe them until the one done on election day.

I have been voting since the 50's and you can be sure that the polls are not right. I have been polled and have said things I am not going to do.The poll people say they are right but they are selling their service. Rush said the only one he believes is Zogby so should I go with that? By the way I heard Rush today for about 15 min and he really was off the wall. Clarke has really un-done him.

[MASSAFRA]

7. Let me get this straight

Kerry spent a week on the slopes. Now he is going to be sideline for a week from surgery. Meanwhile Bush is attacking on TV and radio. Since most people only have an attention span of 30 seconds, I can believe it. Kerry should get a bounce from his convention and be on constant attack to the finish.

[tom_paine]

8. No. They are now beholden to Imperial Pravda

As believable as Hitler's 1936 Plebiscite or Ferd Marcos last election "victory".

My God, Amerika has fallen so far...and there is so much farther to go.

[devinsgram]

9. Both hands are down.

Polls are just used to manipulate.

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

11. One Reason

If this is true! I was on a freep site and I heard this neocon say it's actually good that all this attention is being spent on Iraq, 911, etc. Just made me wonder if he is right and America actually does have blinders on.

[swag]

12. I kind of like being behind a bit at this point in the year

Motivates us to work harder and avoid complacency.

http://contribute.johnkerry.com

[oasis]

13. They are customizing the poll questions to Rove's specifications.

[Oddman]

14. I just can't believe the American public are THAT dumb . . .

I know there are a lot of dopes in this great country of ours, but I just can't believe that people's view of bu$h would go UP after all of this - let alone the fact that he is the worst president BY FAR in the history of the United States. It boggles my mind. . . has partisan politics really come to the point where an administration can get away with anything at all and it will still retain it's supporters? No matter what????

"Don't say anything stupid or chimpy gets it!"

[Jim Sagle]

15. w could morph into a lizard on prime time TV and they'd still support him.

[Skittles]

16. I refuse to believe there are that many stupid people in America

it would be too painful to believe

[ParanoidPat]

18. This is how Bush*'s numbers go up......

......:evilfrown:

CONCEPT PAPER

Working Group on Preventive and Preemptive Military Intervention

William W. Keller and Gordon R. Mitchell1
Project Coordinators

<Snip>

U.S. Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), the ranking Democrat on the Senate
Intelligence Committee, called for an FBI investigation into the forgery of documents cited by President Bush and Secretary Powell as proof of Iraq’s nuclear transactions with Niger. As Rockefeller explained in a letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller: “There is a possibility that the fabrication of these documents may be part of a larger deception campaign aimed at manipulating public opinion and foreign policy regarding Iraq.”26

The timeliness of Rockefeller’s proposed inquiry was underscored by the
appearance of official documents that lay out official American deception plans: "In a document last autumn, the joint chiefs of staff stressed the need for strategic deception and influence operations as tools of war. The army, navy and air force have been directed to devise plans for information warfare."27

According to defense analyst William Arkin, the Bush strategy lays out goals for information warfare that pursue D5E: "destruction, degradation, denial, disruption, deceit, and exploitation." Arkin notes that the wide array of sites and practices of information control brought into the range of this policy "blurs or even erases the boundaries between factual information and news, on the one hand, and public relations, propaganda and psychological warfare on the other."28

This fusion of military deception programs with media propaganda efforts enabled the Office of Strategic Influence to commission officers from the U.S. Army's Psychological Operations Command to work as interns in the news division of CNN.29

Eventually, the Bush Administration was burned by the political heat generated when the Office of Strategic Influence was leaked to the media. The ensuing firestorm of controversy prompted Secretary Rumsfeld to close the propaganda unit. Yet less than a year later, Rumsfeld stipulated that his action had only been symbolic, and that information warfare missions were still underway at other Pentagon offices: And then there was the Office of Strategic Influence. You may recall that. And “oh my goodness gracious isn't that terrible, Henny Penny the sky is going to fall.” I went down that next day and said fine, if you want to savage this thing, fine, I'll give you the corpse. There's the name. You can have the name, but I'm gonna keep doing every single thing that needs to be done and I have.30

The political implications of blurring military strategic deception and public sphere propaganda are worth exploring, given Arkin's concerns about military deception that "while the policy ostensibly targets foreign enemies, its most likely victim will be the American electorate."31

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