Is it true that Canada won't "allow" FOX News?

[alcuno]

O'Reilly (don't say it) just read an email from a Canadian and mentioned that Canada won't allow FAUX. Is that true? Do that get CNN or CNN International? Don't they have cable in Canada?

[Langis]

1. I know they get CNN international

That's sweet if they won't allow fox.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

3. We get CNN Int'l?

Wow, really? Where?
Even I didn't know I got CNN International. I get the American version, unfortunately.

The reason we don't allow Fox is because of Canadian programming laws or something concerning our stricter Canadian-content standards--it has nothing to do with our Canadian government sheltering us from scary American journo-fascism.

I'm pretty sure that cable companies have attempted to or are in the process of lobbying changes in the laws to allow more American channels, including HBO (yes, thats not normally available in Canada) and Fox News.

[alcuno]

5. I wish I got CNN International instead of CNN.

Way better.

[Langis]

8. Maybe I'm wrong =)

I know a couple people from Canada and they say the watch CNNI.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

22. Maybe on satellite?

I've never seen it anywhere here.

But, my trip to Mexico was made that much better by the fact that the hotel room carried CNN International.

The difference is bloody amazing. Comparing CNN to CNNI is like comparing Fox News to PBS, and I'm not exaggerating.

[Tripper11]

2. Not sure if it's an "allow" thing...

but the news we have, is actually the true meaning of fair and balanced.

We have cable, and all the other wonderful trappings of life. We just go with our own news 95% of the time.

[alcuno]

4. I hate to have to ask such a simple question but we have a

virtual news blackout here. Now that I think about it, I believe that CNN was taken off in Israel in favor of FOX.

[ithacan]

6. that's excellent if true

Canada has no reason to allow such a propaganda outlet that broadcasts lies and hate onto its airwaves or cable systems.

[KharmaTrain]

7. Canadian Content Laws Apply To Cable?

I could almost understand it with a limited number of stations or channels to give Canadian content a chance against the Hollywood media monster, but with dozens of cable channels is it necessary there?

I'm all for a vibrant Canadian broadcast industry (which it is)...and enjoy NWI and MuchMusic, but I can't see why Canadians can't savor all the American goodies like Faux & PTL & QVC and "O".

I thought some American channels were available...such as History Channel, A & E and others. Is there a government law or is this a Rogers Cable thing? Any Canadians takers?

Cheers

[AmericanErrorist]

12. It's been Federal Policy

for the last 30 or so years.

[LTR]

14. Hey Canada, how about a trade?

We give you FOX News, you give us NWI.

Deal?

[ConcernedCanuk]

29. "We give you FOX News, you give us NWI" - are you NUTS ?

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Ummm - isn't that like asking us to give our ice cream away for your doggie-doo?

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[LTR]

36. Well, never hurts to ask. (nm)

[dalelum]

23. CRTC

<p><a href="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/welcome.htm">CRTC's</a> regulations are always cryptic and a source of confusion. I believe that Fox News is not on Canadian airwaves partly due to Canadian content laws. While some people think that such laws are anachronistic, I think it's a good idea to prevent the relatively small market of Canadian media outlets from being subsumed by the giant elephant next door.</p>

<p>The other probable reason is that Fox News is so obscenely right wing by Canadian standards that its doubtful that it would have much of a viewership. Theoretical electoral support for GWB in Canada is something like 20% or less.</p>

[onehandle]

9. Canada, here I come. nt

[JohnyCanuck]

10. I see Fox News Sunday mornings on my cable in Toronto

When I've been channel hopping on Sunday mornings I've noticed that here in Toronto it looks like the Fox entertainment channel has been replaced with Fox News during the morning hours. By afternoon they've switched it back to Fox entertainment again (its Rogers Cable channel 28)and it remains Fox Entertainment for the rest of the week.

Actually I am sure Antonia Zerbisias. the Toronto Star media critic, had a story about this Fox News claim that they were being shut out of Canada several months ago and explained why the story was bogus. Unfortunately I can't find the article. I think it is something to do with the channel having to be picked up by the Canadian cable companies and if they don't think it will be worth it to them, they won't be bothered to carry it. However from my recollection of the article there were no regulations prohibiting the cable companies from carrying the channel. I'll send an email to Antonia and ask her if she can point me in the direction of her article. She's usually very good at answering reader emails.

[alcuno]

15. Thanks, J.C.

The email O'Reilly was reading was from a Canadian here in the states who was headed back north. The emailer, of course, was sad that she wouldn't be able to get FAUX. O'Reilly then said that was because Canada wouldn't allow FAUX. Sounded good to me.

[Cleita]

11. Why do Canadians, who get real news, need Faux?

Maybe they need something to laugh at?

[ConcernedCanuk]

30. Right!, . we don't need Fox, not to LEARN anything anyways,

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And for stuff to laugh at,

well we got Canadian Air Farce, This Hour has 22 Minutes, other shows that poke fun at both USA and Canadian governments, even Red Green takes a poke now and then

And while we don't get History Channel, we get History TELEVISION which shows documentaries that I doubt would get shown on mainstream TV in the US, not with King George and the Patriot Act and all -

Actually, before King George took over I use to watch ALOT more Murikkkan TV, but I've gotten to prefer our Canuk stuff lately . .

We don't need Faux,

you don't need fox, heck

The WORLD don't need Fox!

And actually, before I believe CNN I double check on CBC, or maybe Australian, British, or other news before I believe the USA's mainstream -

US media is getting to have as much credibility as GeeDubya!

That's my opinion.

[anakie]

13. Fox news in Australia

only just started about 2 weeks ago. After hearing about it so much in here it's good to see what you are all on about. Fair and Balanced; my bum.

But we get lots of programmes repeated over the course of about 6 hours, usually overnight US time.

We are pretty well off over here with access to television news. We have our own Skynews, CNNI (which must be so not US CNN), BBC, and CNBC as well as free to air networks ABC and SBS.

[alcuno]

16. I'm in the U.S. and here's the problem

I get NOTHING but U.S. news; no BBC (except a 1/2 hour broadcast) and no CNN International. It's nothing but FAUX, CNN, MSNBC, and CNBC. Yuck!

[Cleita]

17. If you get CNN financial, they run CNN international on weekends.

It's a really big difference from the shit we get here on CNN.

[alcuno]

18. Nope, don't get it.

For $43/month, there should be something from outside of the box. Maybe it's Comcast.

[ironflange]

19. Faux is on a list my cable company is considering

I figure that they won't go for it, not enough Canadians would want to watch that crap.

[jakefrep]

20. Our Canadian friends

get plenty of Faux News-style crap from the Toronto Sun.

[alcuno]

21. Welcome to DU, jakefrep.

I still like the idea of banning FAUX. If the U.S. had state run TV. how would it look different from FAUX?

[DeepModem Mom]

24. UK satellite gets Fox News, unfortunately, and CNNI--

also BBC and Sky 24-hour news, plus others. (I'd be interested to know how many Brits watch Fox, and what they think.) Truly, CNNI is completely different from CNN domestic. BBC is great, but for some reason I tend to watch Sky when in the UK. It's owned by Murdoch, but lacks a Fox-like agenda, and does some good reporting.

[NinetySix]

25. The ironic thing about American news

I heard a report on CBC Radio 1 last spring about the differences between US TV news channels and those of other countries that I found extremely interesting.

Whereas conservatives in the US would probably like you to believe that private news companies, having no ties of any kind to government, are in principle more independent and objective, the news services funded by government in other countries, for instance the BBC World Service and CBC Newsworld, are in practice more independent. They do so out of concern that any reporting that might even seem biased raises the spectre of government engaging in propoganda. For this reason, such services tend to be scrupulously aware of the tone of their reporting, and should any government scandal arise, cover it with due diligence to avoid seeming like apologists for the State.

Private, corporate news agencies, however, because they have no mandate to serve the public interest, are free to focus on the bottom line of the corporation, and often it is the most sensational and titillating stories which generate the highest ratings. Furthermore, as is apparent from the coverage of the run-up to the Iraq conflict (as well as since), these private agencies are perfectly willing to mortgage their integrity for the sake of prospective financial benefit, as NBC, CBS, and ABC did when they thought that kid-gloves rather than criticism might improve their chances at raising the market-share ceiling from 35% to 45% in new guidelines pending before the FCC.

The truth is, those of you in the US who received BBC World Service or CBC Newsworld were able to see markedly different perspectives on the impending conflict than those who were limited to standard network and cable news fare. What is 'objective' or 'fair and balanced' really? I'm afraid that this is a somewhat metaphysical question, one which eventually boils down to subjective judgement. Nevertheless, it is rather telling that subscriptions to foreign news services rose dramatically right around the time that the war broke out. You decide.

[Sufi Marmot]

26. O'Reilly's source is incorrect (surprise, surprise...)

At least here in Vancouver and the Lower Mainland, our cabal, er, cable company gets all the Seattle broadcast channels (NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX), so that whenever I feel deprived of content-free news infotainment, I have my choice of networks...

-SM

[SeveneightyWhoa]

27. Of course we get FOX.

FOX News is what we're talking about here.
Unless that's what you meant?

[Sufi Marmot]

28. (Checks Vancouver Sun TVTimes...)

Heh...I don't watch it so I have to specifically check: Yes, we get FOX News at 10, as well as the FOX morning news.

I knew for a fact we get the local/national news of the other three majors (CBS/NBC/ABC) out of their Seattle affiliate, but since I don't watch FOX news I just assumed it was the same deal (and so it was).

[American Renaissance]

31. BULLSHIT,

I have seen Fox NEWS Canadian CRTC permit with my own eyes, they are not shown in Canada by their own choice.

Someone posted it on a Canadian message board a few weeks ago,

[SeveneightyWhoa]

32. You're wrong.

Why would they decline being shown in Canada?
Murdoch's FOX Network decided to become friendly to the Communist Chinese government for access to their market--profit over ideology. Why in heaven's name would Murdoch decide that Canada isn't good enough to profit from?

[American Renaissance]

34. look for yourself,

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2000/DB2000-565.htm

[skeptic9]

33. A Googled 11/03 item from the Ottawa Citizen says Fox is not legally available...

...in Canada YET. But that was four months ago, and the article gives no details beyond the need for permission from the "CRTC"--whatever that is.

From http://www.friends.ca/News/Friends_News/archives/articles11010301.asp

"Right of way: How Fox News beat CNN at its own game by James Gordon

Source : Ottawa Citizen

Fox News isn't legally available in Canada -- yet. James Gordon takes a look at the controversial cable network

November 01, 2003

...Although Fox News still isn't legally available here, the Canadian Cable Television Association is pushing the CRTC to allow it to import the broadcaster's signal...."

[LibertyorDeath]

35. Yes Canadians are exposed to the vile putrecence of faux & cnn