Man, it's over ...

[the_real_38]

... how the hell do you explain this?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/29/bush.kerry/index.html

Poll: Bush's position against Kerry strengthens
Public divided on Clarke charges, survey finds

Monday, March 29, 2004 Posted: 11:08 PM EST (0408 GMT)

President Bush's approval rating is 53 percent, his highest since January, according to a new poll.


(CNN) -- Despite a week of negative headlines about how his administration handled the threat of terrorism before the attacks of September 11, 2001, President Bush's political position against presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry has strengthened, according to a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

.....

The poll results suggest that the Bush campaign's attempts to paint Kerry as a tax-raising liberal who flip-flops on the issues has affected the race more than charges by former White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke that Bush and his national security team didn't pay enough attention to al Qaeda in the months leading up to 9/11.

Among likely voters surveyed, 51 percent said they would choose Bush for president, while 47 percent said they would vote for Kerry, within the margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
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-> you can't fight the media and money

[calimary]

1. Yeah, pretty damned perplexing...

I'm at a loss to understand it. Denial must run a LOT deeper than I thought.

[Robin Hood]

2. It hasn't sunk in to the public psyche yet.

Give it some time to take root. Patience.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Agreed

By the way, CLARKE'S book is selling so fast that you may have some problems finding it.

It is starting to sink in

[Robin Hood]

10. Right now the public is rallying around their illusion.

It will be interesting to watch how the public will go through the phases of separation. Right now we are in the denial stage, soon we will be entering the anger stage.

Everyone is reading Clarkes book right now, if they can get it.

[maggrwaggr]

24. so how do I get out of the anger stage?

I've been there for a while now.

What's the next stage. Acceptance? Ugh.

We're all just way ahead of the curve. Story of my life. Why is everybody else so damn dumb?

Right now I think people are starting to feel sorry for Bush. For this I blame the media. They're giving so much attention to all the moral outrage and attacks on Clarke, making Clarke out to be this meanie.

He's a meanie! How dare he attack our dumb li'l ol' presudint!

[Robin Hood]

30. America feels sorry for Bush because we are a nation of co-dependents.

And bush is our national bad drunk. Acceptance will come in the form of America realizing that it had been duped.

[Athame]

13. They were out of it at B&N today

I asked for it loudly at all the service desks and checkout counters.
One clerk said they were sold out yesterday and have been waiting to get in more copies. She said she had just tried the other stores downtown. Even if we can't get it on the first try, it is worth it to make the noise.

:kick:

[Jane Austin]

33. People don't want to think their President

could be almost a traitor.

[kera]

4. this is so because of americain warmongering culture

a peace loving people by the way

[Melodybe]

5. Bull Shit, that is why we have to talk to people in the streets!

If people won't pay attention to the news that means they are hardly paying attention to either side. They aren't completely brainwashed, yet. Democrats have to start getting off their asses, get out there and talk now or get used what a second term for Bush would really mean.

That is motivation enough for me, I hope most everyone here feels the same way.

[camero]

6. This is a CNN poll

You guys are going to trust a CNN poll? What gives?

[lazarus]

7. Who knows?

It's all polling, and I don't trust polls, to be honest.

I don't know anybody, even conservatives, who think Kerry is a "tax raising liberal who flip-flops on the issues". Just look at the comparison being given.

Similar comparison might be: Is Kerry a puppy-eating child molestor, or is Bush likely to fib on his taxes a little bit?

[rucky]

8. This is how Americans are

half of them love the imperialist pig thang. as hard as it may be for us to relate to that.

Is it really surprising? At least 1/2 of the people I meet are assholes. Not so anywhere else in the world.

[Triple H]

It's just begun.

The poll numbers will be going up and down for the next seven months.

Don't worry about it.

[rumguy]

9. Rasmussen and Pew tell a different story

They still have Kerry ahead.

One poll, especially one touted by CNN means nothing.

Remember, it took quite awhile for Whitewater to take off too...

[yardwork]

11. Look at the margin of error.

Plus or minus four percentage points. That means that the actual results could be 51% for Kerry, 47% for Bush. It could also be a disastrous 55% for Bush, 43% for Kerry. Or anywhere in between.

To read the poll, add four points to one score and subtract four points from the other score. Then reverse the addition and subtraction.

I read this to mean that the race is still a dead heat.

And that is leaving out the fact that everything about the poll was probably skewed toward Republican voters.

[grannylib]

12. Hey c'mon...it's way too early for that, and you know what

fucking idiots 98% of sheeple are....it will take them a while to get used to thinking again, after the brainwashing they've recieved by the right wing propaganda machine.
Yeah, I know, it's perplexing as hell, why people have not risen up and...well, crap, better not even say, but you know what I mean...it's unthinkable that this little imbecile is even sitting in the Oval Office; had he only his own abilities to rely on, and no Nazi whore family fortune, or Daddy's rich friends, he'd be on skid row drinking hooch out of a paper bag.
I really don't understand what is taking so long, for the American public to wake up to the fact that Chimpy and the PNAC goons are pure evil.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

14. One poll...

One that is generally an outlier. One poll, after a week where Chimpy dropped millions on TV-based lies. One pol, and it's over, this early? After all the revelations of the week? Damning revelations that haven't even played out fully?

If you think it's over, it's over. If you don't, get off your ass and get to work. Open your mouth, fill it with the facts, and take a lesson from the repukes: spew them EVERYWHERE. To EVERYONE.

God dammit, I ain't packing in nothing. This maladministration is going away, and I am gonna do everything I can to help.

Damn, I hate premature defeatism.

[Jane Austin]

34. Yes!

What she said!

[CHIMO]

15. Don't Sweat

It.
To quote someone, or I may be paraphrasing it, "Polls are made for dogs."

Personally I don't participate in telephone polls. The questions can be set up for the desired results. As a result, I like many others do not partake in the polls.

So don't sweat polls.

[tjwash]

16. If CNN polls were worth a damn...

...then Dean would be the democratic nominee like they kept saying he was.

[Miss Authoritiva]

17. Having just endured a visit with the in-laws...

all of whom are for Bush, I'm not surprised. Most of the political discourse consisted of complaining about Kerry's wife (I was clueless on that one). The war in Iraq was just fine (with or without WMDs), the economy was just fine (with or without jobs), Medicare and Social Security are just fine, no-bid contracts for Halliburton are just fine. The only thing not fine was Clarke: he is just an opportunistic book hustler, and on, and on. The funny thing, as always, is that these people got nothing from the Bush tax cuts -- less than nothing if you include the trickle-down increases in school taxes and property taxes. No matter. Bush is their man.

[maggrwaggr]

25. it's just fucking bizarre, isn't it? Sounds like my Dad.

to me they sound like schizophrenics who have all the answers as to why they were the only ones who saw the UFO.

[countmyvote4real]

28. It's the same with my family.

Got next to nothing from tax cuts. Will get screwed over Medicare. Hell, my siblings are both public school teachers. I would think they would at least get it. Nope. Of course, they're all in Georgia. Even worse, they’re Southern Baptists. And that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Hell, Bill Moyers is, too.

Oh, and I'm a New York City librul and gay to boot. We don't dialogue or debate these issues anymore. I think they're tragically stupid. They think I'm possessed.

I think the real culprit is Faux. They don't watch any other national news and consequently perceive those opinions to be news. Hell, I can barely stand the cable and broadcast alternatives. After the blackout here last August I called them when the power came back to let them know I was alright and to find out what I missed. My mother let me know that it was caused by the environmentalists. Duh.

There is no way of reaching people like this. And conversely, people like me.

[Yupster]

35. Possessed -- good one

Really did lol when I read that.

"And this is our son Harold. He's possessed."

[ParanoidPat]

18. Come on folks! Expose them for what they're doing!

READ THIS THREAD!

D5E:destruction, degradation, denial, disruption, deceit, and exploitation

Then send everyone you know the links and ask them to do the same! :evilgrin:

GW* said, "The Internet is more dangerous than guns." Let's prove him right for once! :)

[the_real_38]

19. I've been watching this whole thing closely...

... and all of the media, including 'liberal' cnn have taken a hard turn to the right now that Bush is in trouble - I've seen some outright lying. I don't think it's ever been so clear that the media are fighting for their own economic interests and for Bush.

[maggrwaggr]

20. Kerry hasn't exactly been in the news lately

where's he been, Camp David?

[Stephanie]

21. Oh, it's over?

Fine. Take your ball and go home.

We don't need you.

Everyone else - toughen up! It's a long haul til November.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

22. Who wants to bet that..

..Bill Schneider had a hand in writing this story? Ha.

[LastDemocratInSC]

23. By definition, half of the population has below average intelligence

Remember "No Time for Sargeants" with Andy Griffith?

Don't make waves.

Most in our nation are just barely hanging on, even in the middle class. They are afraid. Jobs are scarce and when one loses a job the alternatives are bad news. Most replacement jobs aren't worth the cost of getting to.

Kerry is right for the nation - we all know that. I'm in a job that might be exported to India any day now. I'm crossing my fingers, my eyes, and even my toes.

There's a fine line between making things better and making things worse and most of our population can't make the judgments required to make things better.

We must all vote in November for Kerry. This is as serious as it gets.

[Andy_Stephenson]

26. Diebold

polls are rigged to jive with it.

No paper no proof.

Ballot, Ballot, Ballot!

[maggrwaggr]

27. the media response to Clarke is 100% proof that the media is RW

in case there was any doubt .....

If there ever could have been a scientific method to check the right-wing-ness of the media, this is it.

Case closed.

[Oddman]

29. You can't live and die over every poll!

A majority of the American people are not only ignorant they are stubborn and stupid and wishy-washy with no true conviction or ideology. How else do you explain a 90% approval rating for bu$h after 9/11. Give me a break - people don't know what to think unless they're told what to think. They don't read newspapers anymore - they are spoon fed dirt bag political commercials that are about as effective as a tablespoon of placebo. The dumbing down of America has been a long time coming and we can see it in every aspect of society. To think that those insipid commercials could have any affect at all is just horrifying!! But the sad fact is - they do. I remember asking a bu$h supporter why she was supporting bu$h. "Because of his strong leadership" she replied. So I asked her what was strong about it and she hemmed and hawed and she couldn't answer a simple question like that. She was told that bu$h was a strong leader and she let it be her truth even though she had no idea why she thought the way she did. I think we should all grab a video camera and go out on the street and interview every bu$h supporter and ask them why they support bu$h. After they give their pat answer call them on it and see how many actually KNOW why they are supporting this complete failure . . . .

[Rex]

31. Oh please, polls have as much credibility IMO as touch screen

voting machines. I mean, whose going to know if the numbers are skewed one way or the other? Just the guy/gal who 'made' the poll (and has an agenda), that's who. :eyes:

[SoCalDem]

32. Polls only say what the poll-taker WANTS them to say

..The voting machines are our biggest problem.. :(

[sixtoes1]

36. Oh the despair!!!

Geez. Lighten up. It's early and pointless to worry about it.

[LibertyorDeath]

37. A little melodramatic today aren't we

Over Over were just getting warmed up by the time Nov gets here Dimson & his shit weasel followers won't no what hit them.

A Kerry land slide what are the corporate whores at cnn gonna say then.