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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:12 AM
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BOMBSHELL!!- Marine Lt. Gen.:"..Saddam was a PAPER TIGER" (ABC scrubbed)
Edited on Tue Mar-30-04 09:23 AM by underpants
ON EDIT-Added Gen.Newbold's first name.
I watched "Rumsfeld's Rules" last Thursday night and was waiting to see the quote from Marine Lt. General Greg Newbold, sure enough was there but the next day I couldn't find it on the Primetime Live site. This link is from the US military itself which posted the ENTIRE transcript, ABC (link below) scrubbed it from their site.

See the General's statements as well as former Army Secretary ( and Enron exec.) Thomas White. This is really good e-mail stuff and needs to be fed to the networks and papers.



http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040325-secdef0566.html

MR. MCWETHY: According to Newbold and others, the secretary bullied many in uniform, even four star generals and admirals, as he led the Bush administration’s charge toward war. Iraq, he said, was armed with weapons of mass destruction and Iraq was a haven for the very same terrorist group that attacked the U.S. on September 11th.

SEC. RUMSFELD: (From tape.) If you’re asking are there al Qaeda in Iraq, the answer is yes there are. It’s a fact.

THOMAS WHITE (FORMER SECRETARY OF THE ARMY): It clearly was a war of choice. We had not been able to establish that there was an imminent threat.

MS. MATTHEWS: The threat was certainly distorted and exaggerated in dozens and dozens and dozens of statements from the president on down.

MR. MCWETHY: Critics say that you and your advisors exaggerated the importance of the intelligence prior to going into Iraq. Yes? No?

SEC. RUMSFELD: False. When I spoke, I quoted generally public unclassified Central Intelligence Agency analysis and you’ll find my remarks are not terribly – (audio break) – came out of people in the past administration who said essentially the same things.

MR. CLARKE: The question is, was there an imminent threat to the United States? And the intelligence did not support that.

GEN. NEWBOLD: I think Saddam Hussein was a paper tiger.

MR. MCWETHY: As operations director for the Joint Chiefs, General Greg Newbold saw nearly all of the intelligence reports. He and others were troubled by how some of Rumsfeld’s top sides were spinning the information.

GEN. NEWBOLD: They argued that all the things they saw meant that Saddam Hussein was a imminent threat to the United States, a principal reason for the terrorism against the United States, and had to be taken out.

MR. MCWETHY: General Newbold was not alone in questioning the case for war.

GEN. NEWBOLD: It’s fair to say that there were a lot of reflections by senior military leaders as to the rationale because a lot of it was not obvious to them.

MR. MCWETHY: But they obeyed as Rumsfeld dictated details of the invasion plan starting with exactly which troops would go and exactly when they would leave. The Pentagon calls it deployment.

MR. WHITE: The deployment scheme was micromanaged by the secretary and that – and that caused an enormous amount of pain on the Army side.

MR. MCWETHY: At the time, Thomas White was secretary of the army. He’s one of the few top Bush administration officials willing to criticize the powerful secretary of defense. White charges that Rumsfeld’s interference caused troops to arrive in Iraq without equipment and crucial support units to be weeks late in getting there. Rumsfeld argues he was just following another of his rules: reserve the right to get into anything, and exercise it.

SEC. RUMSFELD: Did it disrupt what people had fixed in their mind as the way it should be done? Sure it did. But it happens what they had fixed in their mind was flat wrong. It wasn’t the way it should have been done and it’s not the way it will ever be done again, and if there are people who are disturbed about that, so be it.

MR. WHITE: Well, I would argue he was not part of the cure, he was part of the problem.


From ABC News Primetime Live site ("paper tiger" comment missing)See page 3:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/World/donald_rumsfeld_040325-3.html
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:14 AM
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1. good find
Edited on Tue Mar-30-04 09:15 AM by sniffa
scrub, scrub, scrub! out damn spot!

on edit: wouLd the memory hoLe Like to see this?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:16 AM
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2. Underpants for Sec. of Getting the Truth Out!
much thanks for this resource
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:38 PM
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21. You are welcome
:bounce:
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:18 AM
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3. More "good" news
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:23 AM
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4. Have you sent this to FAIR?
I'm sure they'd love to add this to their archives.

http://www.fair.org/
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:25 AM
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5. Done
Thanks
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 11:31 AM
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16. How the heck do they RECONCILE the SCRUBBING of their own reports?
How do they expect any SEMBLANCE of credibilty when they scrub the most important aspects of their own reports.

ABC must REALLY hold the American people in contempt.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 11:37 AM
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17. Of the 3 I tend to like ABC the best
In my opinion they are the most "down the middle" of the three network newses. I watch it nightly.

This is pretty reprehensible in my opinion.

BTW_ I looked and looked for a transcript of this last week but to no avail. Funny that it should show up intact on a military website...me thinks they don't like Rummy to much there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 04:05 PM
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22. No, the regular Pentagon folk have no love for Rummy.
.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 11:37 AM
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18. Of the 3 I tend to like ABC the best
In my opinion they are the most "down the middle" of the three network newses. I watch it nightly.

This is pretty reprehensible in my opinion.

BTW_ I looked and looked for a transcript of this last week but to no avail. Funny that it should show up intact on a military website...me thinks they don't like Rummy to much there.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:26 AM
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6. don't forget in 2001, Rice, Powell & Cheney
All 3 of them claimed that Saddam was contained and not a threat. Cheney even said it after 9/11, I believe. Either Powell or Rice (don't remember who) even bragged that Saddam was not even a threat to his neighbors via conventional means.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 10:32 AM
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11. Of course
they were arguing against it themselves. Yet another FLIP FLOP.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:39 AM
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7. Mr. Rumsfield the only reason your non plan worked is because the Iraqi
Army did not fight back. If the Iraqi army had fought back in significant ways the turn out would have been the same but it would not have been a matter of weeks but months.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:46 AM
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8. No link but you realize the orignial plan only called for 2 Brigades
If it hadn't been for the brass at the Pentagon Wolfie, Perle, and Rummy would have only sent 2 brigades into Iraq. They were just certain that was all that was needed.

In my opinion this is pretty damning.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:52 AM
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9. Have you emailed ABC asking them to explain the discrepancy?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 09:57 AM
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10. Yes to Primetime Live
I think it is bigger than just the media scrubbing this. This is from two insiders VERY INSIDE who are clearly stating that Rummy (they come as a bulk purchase) lied to create a war of choice.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 11:00 AM
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12. kick (nt)
.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 11:04 AM
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13. kick
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 11:12 AM
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14. Check out this snip re: Pearl Harbor & 9/11
Three years ago, when Rumsfeld took the job as President Bush's defense secretary, he was already haunted by a premonition that the United States would be the target of a surprise attack.

At his Senate confirmation hearing on Jan. 11, 2001, he talked about the lessons of Pearl Harbor.

"There were plenty of signals, plenty of warnings, plenty of cautions, but they weren't taken on board. They didn't register," Rumsfeld said. "We've got to be wiser than that."

Then, eight months to the day after his warning of a surprise attack, Rumsfeld's fears became reality with the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/World/donald_rumsfeld_040325-4.html
_________________

Premonition, eh?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 11:18 AM
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15. He is so wise so foreword looking
:eyes:

Didn't PNAC say something about needing a modern day Paarl Harbor to get the ball rolling on Iraq?
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 12:53 PM
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20. this "premonition" makes 9/11
even more unexcusable.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 12:50 PM
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19. Wwwwwest coast
:kick:
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