Will the draft Gore people now give up?

[quinnox]

I didn't hear Gore's speech this morning, but from what I gather Gore indicated unequivocally he wasn't running in 2004. Is this going to cause the draft gore folks to give up, and stop the draft Gore movement? Or are they still enthusiastic about it, and still aim to convince Gore to run?

My own view is Gore should not run, and he made the correct decision and I admire him for sticking with his choice. Gore is a great man, and he might have his eye on 2008, just in case Bush wins in 2004.


Edited for compliance with 5 sentences.

[AWD]

1. I was thinking that too

...and while I found the speech to be powerful and right on target, it did leave no doubt as to his intentions not to run.

One does not promise to endorse another candidate if they are planning to enter the race themselves....

My greatest hope is that Gore keeps this up ALL THE TIME. we need that to be said on a daily basis, and it allows the heat to be kept off the candidates, while still getting the message in the heads of Americans.

[Jackson4Gore]

2. Uh no

It is a draft to draft him, not for him to come back on his own.

[sweetladybug]

11. I am still behind Al Gore in 2004

He will be drafted and he will run and I will bust my ass to help get him re-elected. He is our legal President. The 2000 election was stolen from him and the American people. It will be a cold day in hell when the Republicans and the Republican owned media and the Republicans in the US Supreme Court will choose who I voted for as President or who is sworn in as President. They successed once but I will be damned if they will do it again. If we want to put a stop to their BS EVERYONE who voted for Gore should insist on him being drafted to run and vote for him to be re-elected. We all should be united and give control back to the people not just the rich and powerful. This would be the way to stop the Republicans in their tracks. They are trying to divide the Democratic Party and Al Gore could bring us all together.
RE-ELECT GORE 2004!!!!

[Ripley]

14. So you don't believe Al when he says "no."

Because dragging him into the race doesn't sound like a good way to get other people interested in voting for him again.

[mbee]

20. You are so right - I'm

with you! Al will run if he is drafted! He's letting the whole thing fall in this lap which I hope it will!

[sangha]

28. Some people will never learn

that "No means No"

[West Coast Democrat]

3. You sure give that DU "Draft Gore" guy a hard time, Quinnox

You're a bit cruel seomtimes.

[quinnox]

9. I wasn't trying to be

I was just curious, no offense was intended.

[Ripley]

4. I missed the speech too, but not surprised.

He seems to be a man of his word and knows it would be incredibly disruptive and humiliating to all the other Dems running for him to suddenly jump in mid-campaign season.

He should just focus on getting that liberal cable show going...

I do have great curiosity about who he will endorse tho...I'm sure everyone thinks he will have to endorse his former running mate...Lieberman. But frankly Gore must see that Joe doesn't have a chance in hell of getting the nomination.

It will be interesting.

[quinnox]

7. Yea

I agree, Gore knows better than to jump back in at this stage.

[loyalsister]

23. I'm anxious to see

Leiberman slammed the 2000 campaign. He said it was "too populist." I think that that statement should qualify them as politically "divorced." Maybe he's waiting for Leiberman to drop out so that he can avoid an awkward situation.

[Ripley]

25. Good answer.

I didn't think of that. That would surely help both of them save face. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing Lieberman LOSE face. :evilgrin:

[Cheswick2.0]

5. why do you care?

Isn't controlling your own life a big enough job?

[quinnox]

6. I was curious

Gore said he isn't running again, so I wondered if the draft Gore movement was finished for good. I also thought of whom the draft Gore people might go to if they are done with the draft stuff, maybe they will go to Kerry's camp or maybe even join the draft Clark folks.

[robbedvoter]

19. Go to Kerry's camp? The "get over it" guy? The "war is good" guy?

It's one thing to hate Gore supporters, another one to thing us dumb. Whay Cheswick said.
And what part of the word "draft" don't you understand?

[bowens43]

8. What's this '5 sentence' thing I've seen mentioned?

[quinnox]

12. If a thread is started, it is now

required to have at least 5 sentences. And no profanity either. (which has never been a problem for me personally)

[Ripley]

13. Read Temporary Guidelines post by Skinner

at the top of GD.

Good idea I think. Kills a lot of freeper threads that ask a stupid question consisting of 10 words every 5 minutes.

[ParanoidPat]

10. Absolutely NOT!

Sorry! :evilgrin:

When you make a statement like "but from what I gather Gore indicated unequivocally he wasn't running in 2004." right after admitting that you hadn't even heard it.....well never mind.:crazy:

You know someone posted the link to the text of the speech, did it ever occur to you to possibly read it before doing your obviously and admittedly biased 'gathering'? :shrug:

[quinnox]

16. Are there any other candidates you like?

If it gets to the election time, and Gore is out of it who do you like as a candidate?

[Northwind]

17. I watched it live

and he DID, unequivocably, state he would not be running. Period. He even promised to endorse one of the other candidates soon.

He is not running. End of story.

[Ripley]

18. I saw a clip on TV where Gore said he would endorse someone

soon. So your version sounds right (other folks here seem to think he wasn't clear about that).

Let him go....he can be an excellent voice for the people speaking and starting a liberal media outlet.

[ParanoidPat]

22. Hence the reason for a 'draft'.....

....you may want to read some of the history surrounding why drafts exist. :evilgrin:

Not "End of story", just end of this chapter! :)

[DagmarK]

15. Quinnox......then read the speech.........

It's on moveon.org's site.

He didn't rule himself out.......

Until he says unequivocally (again) that he is not running....the draft Gore folks should keep at it.

I am not in that camp.....but if Gore runs, he's got my full support. Shoot......read the speech.....don't read ABOUT it. He is just sooooo intelligent and honest and fair. It's been a long time since I have witnessed such character in action.

It was just sooooooo PRESIDENTIAL!

[Khephra]

21. yes, he did

"I am proud that my party has candidates for president committed to those values. I admire the effort and skill they are putting into their campaigns. I am not going to join them, but later in the political cycle I will endorse one of them, because I believe that we must stand for a future in which the United States will again be feared only by its enemies; in which our country will again lead the effort to create an international order based on the rule of law; a nation which upholds fundamental rights even for those it believes to be its captured enemies; a nation whose financial house is in order; a nation where the market place is kept healthy by effective government scrutiny; a country which does what is necessary to provide for the health, education, and welfare of our people; a society in which citizens of all faiths enjoy equal standing; a republic once again comfortable that its chief executive knows the limits as well as the powers of the presidency; a nation that places the highest value on facts, not ideology, as the basis for all its great debates and decisions."

http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html

He just gave a commitment to the other candidates. Do you Gore supporters want him to go back against his own words just to please you? I would have voted for Gore again in a heartbeat, but the guy has said plainly that he's not running.

[birdman]

24. He's going to endorse one the active candidates

I'm sure you'll have enormous success arranging
a write-in campaign for a candidate who's already
endorsed another candidate.

The "draft" has always been just a figment of some
peoples imagination. I'm not sure that any candidate
has ever really been drafted for President but it
hasn't happened since the turn of the 20th century.
(The cited of examples of Eisenhower and Goldwater
were ridiculous - both were just willing candidates
who hadn't announced yet). It was marginally possible in
the era when delegates were selected from party regulars
but unthinkable now that they are largely selcted in primaries.


:crazy::crazy::crazy:

[rabid_nerd]

26. Why the draft continues.

"If nominated, I cannot predict..." - Al Gore

That's what Gore's people say anyways. I mean office people.

There has been NO Shermanesque "If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve".

In fact, the only time a question has been asked along the lines of, "If you were nominated, would you accept?" the answer was "I cannot predict".

He is not running. This is not new.

He will nominate a candidate. Probably whoever wins the nomination. I do not expect him to make any endorsement this year.

The draft is not about convincing him to run, it is about nominating him. Noone is forcing him to do anything but potentially accept or reject a nomination.

Today's speech has, in fact, increased inquiries into joining the organization.

http://www.draftgore.com/

[Joe the Revelator]

29. I think we'll see more of that...

the more speeches like this that gore makes, the more people will relize that he is the best canidate available. The draft gore movement should continue to get stronger because of this speech, not fall away.

[Trajan]

27. WHY do people hate .....

others who disagree with them ? ....

Does it REALLY rip your guts out for another human being to DESIRE a specific person to join an election race ? ...

Cmon: ... is your ego SO huge as to disallow another citizen the ability to have their own wants and preferences ? ....

I dont get this need to control ....

[sangha]

30. "Need to control"

I'd say that's what you're displaying by objecting to a question, and misportraying it as an attempt to "disallow another citizen the ability to have their own wants and preferences"

[Trajan]

32. This is a question designed as a statement ....

"Is this going to cause the draft gore folks to give up, and stop the draft Gore movement? Or are they still enthusiastic about it, and still aim to convince Gore to run??"

NOTE that the focus of the poster is on the feelings and beliefs of others, NOT on his own actions or beliefs .... Others are being asked what THEY intend to do, as if their choice to desire Gore would be wrong, while a choice to change affiliation and STOP showing such a desire is a better option ....

And: this is NOT to imply that ONE poster is guilty of such interference, but only a part of a pattern of denigration of Draft Gore supporters .... and of Draft Clark supporters as well ....

Hell: .. we might as well include the general desire to LAMBASTE others because they dont support 'my' candidate .... it is obviously human nature, because it is so prevalent even here in Progressive DU ...

I might admit that the Draft Gore movement has a snowballs chance in HELL of success, but I would NEVER deny the right of them to hold that wish .....

LET people have their own dreams: ... PERSUADE them to change their minds, but browbeating them with "IM right, Your WRONG" messages is hardly a persuasive argument ....

[sangha]

33. So what?

Even if it is intended as you describe, so what? There was no censorship, and no force used. Furthermore, even if the question was a statement, I think you're going overboard in saying it meant "their choice to desire Gore would be wrong". More like "their desire to draft Gore is futile"

And: this is NOT to imply that ONE poster is guilty of such interference, but only a part of a pattern of denigration of Draft Gore supporters .... and of Draft Clark supporters as well ....

Another word for "denigration" is "criticism". This is a political board, Get used to it. Your desire to not see certain opinions expressed is as much about control as anything else posted in this thread.

Hell: .. we might as well include the general desire to LAMBASTE others because they dont support 'my' candidate .... it is obviously human nature, because it is so prevalent even here in Progressive DU ...

I know you're not new here, so why haven't you noticed that this happens everyday, and every day someone complains about it, and every day it happens anyway.

I might admit that the Draft Gore movement has a snowballs chance in HELL of success, but I would NEVER deny the right of them to hold that wish .....

You're going overboard again. No one here is denying anyone any of their rights. A statement was made, and you didn't like it, so you're complaining about it. Good for you. But you shouldn't misportray it as "denying someone their rights" That's just an attempt to blow it up out of proportion so a mere statement of an opinion you don't like is perceived as something henious.

IOW, you're trying to control those statements by misportraying them as something you know we all don't like - the infringement of someone's rights.

No one here is denying anyone of their rights.

LET people have their own dreams: ... PERSUADE them to change their minds, but browbeating them with "IM right, Your WRONG" messages is hardly a persuasive argument

Who isn't "letting" you have your dreams? What did quinnox do to prevent you from having these dreams and desires?

Answer: Nobody. You're exagerrating.

And if you don't think it's persuasive, then don't be persuaded. It's that simple. quinnox has a right to try and persuade people, even if quinnox is not very persuasive.

[jiacinto]

31. Gore isn't running

And I think it would not be fair to the other candidates for him to have announced at this late date. Also, given how the other campaigns have been at it since late 2002, it would be very hard for him to catch up.