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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 12:19 PM
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Rowley + Clarke = LIHOP
The significance of Condi’s lie "We received no intelligence that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles" is hard to overstate. To understand why, we need to remember the context of that lie.

In May, 2002 FBI whistle-blower Coleen Rowley’s memo to Robert Mueller was published. In it, we learned the FBI headquarters went out of their way to prevent a FISA to be issued so that agents in Minnesota could examine a laptop which was later found to contain information about the 9/11 hijackers. The full memo is here:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

Here’s one clip from the memo:

For example, at one point, the Supervisory Special Agent at FBIHQ posited that the French information could be worthless because it only identified Zacarias Moussaoui by name and he, the SSA, didn't know how many people by that name existed in France. A Minneapolis agent attempted to surmount that problem by quickly phoning the FBI's legal Attache (Legat) in Paris, France, so that a check could be made of the French telephone directories. Although the Legat in France did not have access to all of the French telephone directories, he was able to quickly ascertain that there was only one listed in the Paris directory. It is not known if this sufficiently answered the question, for the SSA continued to find new reasons to stall.


Rowley did, however, give her bosses an out. Here’s that clip:

It's quite conceivable that many of the HQ personnel who so vigorously disputed Moussaoui's ability/predisposition to fly a plane into a building were simply unaware of all the various incidents and reports worldwide of Al Qaeda terrorists attempting or plotting to do so.

*By the way, just in the event you did not know, let me furnish you the Webster's definition of "careerism - - the policy or practice of advancing one's career often at the cost of one's integrity". Maybe that sums up the whole problem!


Of course, that was how the matter was resolved:

1.) Mueller promised to make sure “careerism” would never again impede a terrorist investigation.
2.) Condi Rice told the world that no one in the Bush Administration expected terrorists to use plane as weapons.

But now, we learn that, for months, the CIA director is briefing Bush and his staff daily with an urgency described as “having his hair on fire” warning that an attack was imminent. And from Clarke we have learned that protecting key targets from “airliners as missiles” was SOP. Now, can you imagine how different May, 2002 would have been had all this been known? Condi lied. She lied to kill the “Bush Knew” story. Perhaps now we should reopen the whole Coleen Rowley incident ask again why that FISA wasn’t issued.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 12:31 PM
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1. And now we have Sibel Edmonds' (FBI whistle blower) testimony as well.
As discussed in the recent www.Salon.com article and on the web site www.tomflocco.com

A former FBI wiretap translator with top-secret security clearance, who has been called "very credible" by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, has told Salon she recently testified to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States that the FBI had detailed information prior to Sept. 11, 2001, that a terrorist attack involving airplanes was being plotted.

Referring to the Homeland Security Department's color-coded warnings instituted in the wake of 9/11, the former translator, Sibel Edmonds, told Salon, "We should have had orange or red-type of alert in June or July of 2001. There was that much information available." Edmonds is offended by the Bush White House claim that it lacked foreknowledge of the kind of attacks made by al-Qaida on 9/11. "Especially after reading National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice where she said, we had no specific information whatsoever of domestic threat or that they might use airplanes. That's an outrageous lie. And documents can prove it's a lie."

Edmonds testified before 9/11 commission staffers in February for more than three hours, providing detailed information about FBI investigations, documents and dates. This week Edmonds attended the commission hearings and plans to return in April when FBI Director Robert Mueller is scheduled to testify. "I'm hoping the commission asks him real questions -- like, in April 2001, did an FBI field office receive legitimate information indicating the use of airplanes for an attack on major cities? And is it true that through an FBI informant, who'd been used for 10 years, did you get information about specific terrorist plans and specific cells in this country? He couldn't say no," she insists.


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/26/translator/index_np.html

From the story posted on the www.tomflocco.com web site:

Washington, DC -- March 24, 2004 --12:15 EST -- FBI translator, Sibel Edmonds, was offered a substantial raise and a full time job in order to not go public that she had been asked by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to retranslate and adjust the translations of subject intercepts that had been received before September 11, 2001 by the FBI and CIA.

Edmonds, a ten year U.S. citizen who has passed a polygraph examination, speaks fluent Farsi and Turkish and had been working part time with the FBI for six months-- commencing in December, 2001.

In a 50 reporter scrum in front of some 12 news cameras, Edmonds said "Attorney General John Ashcroft told me 'he was invoking State Secret Privilage and National Security' when I told the FBI I wanted to go public with what I had translated from the pre 9-11 intercepts".



http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=50 (looks like tomflocco.com web site has been hacked, so the link might not work right now)

The DU threads on this in LBN are:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x442067#445213

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=445455

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:21 PM
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2. kick
Tenet briefing with "his hair on fire" -- and still they did nothing.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-04 03:29 PM
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3. Tweety last night started to talk about Pearl Harbor re 9-11
MATTHEWS: Let‘s talk about World War II, just as a complete different situation, but it has one great common fact. We were attacked at Pearl Harbor.

STRADA: That‘s correct.

MATTHEWS: A lot of people to this day on the right think Roosevelt knew about it. They think, well, he knew it and he wanted to get us into war against the Nazis and this is the only way he could have done it, OK? I know a lot of people ho think like that.

But there was a real effort at the time to try to reduce the number of people who would think like that by having an investigation as to why we didn‘t catch them. I personally can‘t figure how you couldn‘t know the entire Japanese Navy was out of sight, OK? I would still like to know how our Navy didn‘t know that they were missing, the entire Japanese Navy.

So these kinds of questions, do you think generally these kinds of questions should be asked by the United States government in some sort of formal way?

More...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4627945/
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